Talk me out of going on the dole

realdanbreen · 12-08-2015 12:26PM

Specialun wrote: »

I dont think you actually know what your on about. This guy is 60, he lives in rural area, his clearly at least tried to upskill himself and better himself. He has applied for jobs but yet you still feel the need to have a pop.

Yes there are jobs out there, these jobs are competitive. Its not as black or white as you think it is. At his age he is at a massive disadvantage.

Just to give you a bit of perspective: last year i was a hiring manager for a language role, a language which is tough to find. After having the role open I had 3 applicants. These comprised of 1 toolbox who looked like he hadnt come off his high since 2004, a woman who wanted 10k extra because she knew her language was tough and a guy in his mid 60's . To cut a long story short i hired the guy in his 60s. Within 3 months HR were putting pressure on me to get rid of him because he didnt fit into the image of the corporate HQ.

Did you get rid of him?

Hunter456 · 12-08-2015 12:30PM

i have being unemployed for 5 years and have applied for hundreds of jobs even a few replies the usual ****e replies sorry this vacancy bla bla bla and i have had 2 interviews i have applied for work out side my comfort zone, i even had a break down 2 years ago with depression nearly lost my kids and wife over drinking to much gave up the drink n fags and have a better out look at life all this as my doctor said was due to being unemployed it completely destroyed me now i'm still not working but i have found things that keep me busy and thinking of going out my self and working for myself stay in your job no matter how bad it is i'd love to work as a poster here said give the job to someone that wants it by Christ i'll have it. im on Irish jobs site every morning battering the jobs section has to be done.

realdanbreen · 12-08-2015 12:39PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

The other poster is 60 years old and tbh, I hope to be well retired by then. I also wouldn't relish applying for a job when all the other candidates are very likely to be much younger than me. So kudos to them for even trying to find work at 60. The other poster also lives in a rural area and jobs aren't falling out of the trees in those parts of the country. So I'd say applying for a job every two months is quite understandable. You also don't know anything about the other poster's personal circumstances and I'd imagine that at 60 years old, uprooting and moving to find work wouldn't really be a practical option. Then throw into the mix, the possible ageism that a 60 year old job applicant could face. Ah but I suppose you have to ignore such considerations, especially when you're itching to throw the oul stupid cheap shot.

Anyone who feels that they are past it at 60 is probably right, they are past it.
Living in a rural area? don't make me laugh, it's 2015 not 1815. There are very few parts of Ireland that you could live that is not within 30minutes of an urban area.

brummytom · 12-08-2015 12:57PM

I've literally just come off the phone with the job centre, telling them I'd found a job and asking them to close my claim. Feel fcuking great.

I was only on it for around 5 or 6 weeks after leaving University, but just feeling like a sponger and not having any reason to actually get out of bed was a horrible feeling. It sounds good, but it's soul-destroying, I've always found doing nothing drives me mad after a few weeks.

Son Of A Vidic · 12-08-2015 01:09PM

smash wrote: »

he was 55 when he started 'seeking employment'

I could give you a big round of applause for stating the obvious there, but it's very likely you wouldn't hear it.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Living in a rural area? don't make me laugh, it's 2015 not 1815. There are very few parts of Ireland that you could live that is not within 30minutes of an urban area.

I suggest you keeping hiding behind your laughter, because if you think urban areas on this little island are magically awash with job opportunities, then you are very, very deluded.

Specialun · 12-08-2015 01:31PM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Did you get rid of him?

No..but i did have to force him out

realdanbreen · 12-08-2015 01:32PM

Specialun wrote: »

No..but i did have to force him out

How did you mage to do that?

Robsweezie · 12-08-2015 02:05PM

brummytom wrote: »

I've literally just come off the phone with the job centre, telling them I'd found a job and asking them to close my claim. Feel fcuking great.

I was only on it for around 5 or 6 weeks after leaving University, but just feeling like a sponger and not having any reason to actually get out of bed was a horrible feeling. It sounds good, but it's soul-destroying, I've always found doing nothing drives me mad after a few weeks.

You're very much human in that regard. I think we all need some sort of structure and routine to feel a sense of purpose. Congrats on the job by the way

Pinch Flat · 12-08-2015 02:06PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Since you could possibly end up on the dole someday yourself, maybe you should just think of that as a down payment.

Been there - almost 6 months off work in 2009 and a short stint in 2010. A most unpleasant experience. I'm amazed people see it as a life style choice, but hey that's me

Robsweezie · 12-08-2015 02:08PM

OP, think about the lack of structure and routine and how it may effect you long term, versus how your job is effecting you right now, weigh it up. You could start to feel lost without that motivation to get up and go after so many years in a system.

Rakish Paddy · 12-08-2015 02:08PM

MissFlitworth wrote: »

Plus you don't actually want to deal with the people in social welfare unless you absolutely have to.

^^ This x1000.

A few years back I ended up signing on for a few months during the depths of the recession and one of the worst parts of it was dealing with some rather unpleasant people in the social welfare office - a horrible and degrading experience.

Robsweezie · 12-08-2015 02:12PM

Rakish Paddy wrote: »

^^ This x1000.

A few years back I ended up signing on for a few months during the depths of the recession and one of the worst parts of it was dealing with some rather unpleasant people in the social welfare office - a horrible and degrading experience.

I think they are trained in a way that its deliberately unpleasant and discouraging, motivation to get off the dole ASAP and not view it as a long term life choice. If it was warm and cuddly some may rest on their laurels and feel no sense of urgency to find employment.

steddyeddy · 12-08-2015 02:13PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Been there - almost 6 months off work in 2009 and a short stint in 2010. A most unpleasant experience. I'm amazed people see it as a life style choice, but hey that's me

Very very few people see it as a lifestyle choice. It's just not in human psychology to want to remain idle with loss of purpose.

Thundercats Ho · 12-08-2015 02:14PM

I hate my job at the minute, and have been think about jacking it.
It's making me absolutely miserable, and i'm being stretched too far as they won't invest in additional staff.

Reading this thread has reminded me of what a horrid experience being on SW is.
Time to spruce up the CV i reckon.

smash · 12-08-2015 02:16PM

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

I could give you a big round of applause for stating the obvious there, but it's very likely you wouldn't hear it.

I suggest you keeping hiding behind your laughter, because if you think urban areas on this little island are magically awash with job opportunities, then you are very, very deluded.

You can be as snotty as you want about it all but is still doesn't change the fact that 1 application every 2 months can't be classified as seeking employment.

ancapailldorcha · 12-08-2015 02:24PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Been there - almost 6 months off work in 2009 and a short stint in 2010. A most unpleasant experience. I'm amazed people see it as a life style choice, but hey that's me

+1,000.

I was made redundant from a permanent job I moved country for after only 2 months. I got a package fortunately so I didn't have to claim and I was only unemployed for 6 weeks but it was so bleak and depressing. How you endured 6 months is beyond me. I need to be doing something, anything. I resorted to temping in a crap job to fulfil that need and as bad as that was, I had regained my financial independence not that much of my pittance of a salary was left over.

Maximus Alexander · 12-08-2015 02:31PM

I absolutely despise my job OP. I have absolutely no interest in what I do day to day. The pressure is high and it makes me anxious. It takes over my thoughts even in my free time and makes me a lifeless husk of the person I was only a few short years ago. Sometimes the thoughts of having to do it for even another week are so overwhelming that I want to scream, let alone months or years.

But it's still better than being on the dole.

Don't do it.

Pinch Flat · 12-08-2015 02:33PM

Robsweezie wrote: »

I think they are trained in a way that its deliberately unpleasant and discouraging, motivation to get off the dole ASAP and not view it as a long term life choice. If it was warm and cuddly some may rest on their laurels and feel no sense of urgency to find employment.

I got into a thing with one of the staff who asked me to identify myself firstly by my PPS number - which I refused to do. I reminded her I had a name and I would be using this and forost to identify myself - Some of them seemed to revel in dehumanising people and processing us like a production line. It was one of those stressful situations being made worse by some insensitive idiot in a miserable job she's got for life. Totally degrading and I'm hoping I never have to do it again.

Then you have all the scobes turning up on sign in day - they obviously thought they were above us plebs, skipping the queue and generally making a degrading situation worse. Scuffles breaking out with the security guards who were also racially abused. You come across such scumbags at close quarters that Id rather be in the same room with.

Then you had the local health centre where I tried to get some support for my mortgage - absolutely no chance, the hardened dolers were walking in and claiming everything around them. Verbally abusing staff if there wa an issue with their claim.

Why someone would voluntarily do this is beyond me.

Tzardine · 12-08-2015 02:38PM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

I got into a thing with one of the staff who asked me to identify myself firstly by my PPS number - which I refused to do. I reminded her I had a name and I would be using this and forost to identify myself -

Sounds like Freeman ****e to be honest.

One More Toy · 12-08-2015 02:41PM

ITT: Cheap shots at an elderly gentleman

Why the hate Smash? Ageism is real, this man is really trying, you dont know if he has been to 30 interviews or made 30 applications?

Fair play for you upskilling etc, hope something comes your way

ComfortKid · 12-08-2015 02:42PM

Pinch Flat wrote:

I got into a thing with one of the staff who asked me to identify myself firstly by my PPS number - which I refused to do. I reminded her I had a name and I would be using this and forost to identify myself - Some of them seemed to revel in dehumanising people and processing us like a production line. It was one of those stressful situations being made worse by some insensitive idiot in a miserable job she's got for life. Totally degrading and I'm hoping I never have to do it again.

Im afraid you are the sensitive idiot here. You want free money you do as they ask!

Hunter456 · 12-08-2015 02:44PM

One More Toy wrote: »

ITT: Cheap shots at an elderly gentleman

Why the hate Smash? Ageism is real, this man is really trying, you dont know if he has been to 30 interviews or made 30 applications?

Fair play for you upskilling etc, hope something comes your way

that's the great Irish public for you. its a joke that some people can take the piss out of some people.

ComfortKid · 12-08-2015 02:44PM

Pinch Flat wrote:

Then you had the local health centre where I tried to get some support for my mortgage - absolutely no chance, the hardened dolers were walking in and claiming everything around them. Verbally abusing staff if there wa an issue with their claim.

How do you know that the hardened dolers were successful in "claiming everything around them" ?

You seem like unpleasant person, and deserve all the stress you received!

Pinch Flat · 12-08-2015 02:46PM

Tzardine wrote: »

Sounds like Freeman ****e to be honest.

No it's not. I don't subscribe to that freeman nonsense. I do prefer however someone addresses me by my name, rather than a number. Also dealing with people who've befallen the owlets w inimical crisis through fault if their win with a bit of sensitivity and empathy. It's a fair enough request.

12-08-2015 02:50PM

Ah how I love a dole thread.

Have a read over your posts there lads, and put yourselves in other people's shoes for a minute. See if you'd still feel the same.

I won't action anyone, because if and I'm not saying there is, but if anyone did happen to be trolling here - well that's just what they'd want, isn't it.

Have a wonderful afternoon folks. McDonald's Sundaes are only a euro. Break open the piggy bank and buy yourselves some happiness.

Talk me out of going on the dole

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