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Grade Shaming

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  • #92
    cajonlardo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭cajonlardo


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There's no shame in getting bad grades. It's just a sign you're not fit for the course. Which is fine the world needs ditch diggers too.

    What is it with this "Ditch Diggers" expression?

    Is it some kind of inferiority complex?


  • #93
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Dimithy wrote: »
    Not wanting your grades publicly available = pissing all over the reputation of Cambridge?
    Again, you're going to have to explain that one because you're still not really making any sense.


    Cambridge has a deserved reputation for excellence in academic circles because of it's previous graduates. The few that are now making complaints like this are simply doing damage to that reputation IMO.


  • #94
    moc moc a moc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,298 ✭✭✭moc moc a moc


    They should make it optional. This will appease the moaners. But eventually businesses will look unfavourably upon candidates who choose to hide their scores, which will ultimately resolve the issue in a different manner anyway.


  • #95
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    moc moc a moc wrote: »
    They should make it optional. This will appease the moaners. But eventually businesses will look unfavourably upon candidates who choose to hide their scores, which will ultimately resolve the issue in a different manner anyway.
    How are businesses going to know who these people are? Businesses can obviously just request proof of a candidate's results if they need to know them. :confused:


  • #96
    OneArt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    They ought to be grateful. According to some documentary I saw, back in the olden days the worst-performing students would have their heads shaved and be paraded through town with some nutjob ringing a bell next them.


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  • #97
    Dimithy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Dimithy


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    Cambridge has a deserved reputation for excellence in academic circles because of it's previous graduates. The few that are now making complaints like this are simply doing damage to that reputation IMO.

    how exactly is people not wanting their grades published publicly going to damage its reputation?

    I really cant see why anyone would have a problem with this. You want people to know how well or badly you did, you can tell them. If you don't want people to know, you don't tell them.


  • #98
    Aidric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    How are businesses going to know who these people are? Businesses can obviously just request proof of a candidate's results if they need to know them. :confused:

    I've never experienced a company wanting to know if you received a first or not. Some of them don't even ask for proof of degree/masters.

    The only companies I've heard of who ask for proof of grade are the investment banks.


  • #99
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Dimithy wrote: »
    how exactly is people not wanting their grades published publicly going to damage its reputation?

    I really cant see why anyone would have a problem with this. You want people to know how well or badly you did, you can tell them. If you don't want people to know, you don't tell them.


    The point is that publishing exam results publicly is a way of encouraging students to compete, to excel. Making the results private takes away that motivation and then standards drop because students don't care any more about their results in comparison to anyone elses.


  • #100
    jimboblep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭jimboblep


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    What is it with this "Ditch Diggers" expression?

    Is it some kind of inferiority complex?

    How do you get inferiority complex from people using a well known turn of phrase to describe people unsuited to academia?


  • #101
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    my teapot is orange wrote: »
    Don't think I said that. Do you have a link?

    The website I linked has a FOI section.


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  • #102
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    Yeah, people who are unsuited to academia can only do jobs like ditch-digging. And academia = good job. I did well in academia, I will never have a high-earning career though.

    And people can obtain information like college results via FoI, yep.

    Now, what relevance does that have to publishing individual's results on a noticeboard for any passer-by to see, again?


  • #103
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Yeah, people who are unsuited to academia can only do jobs like ditch-digging, and academia = good job. I did well in academia, I will never have a high-earning career.

    And people can attain information like college results via FoI, yep.

    Now, what relevance does that have to publishing individual's results on a noticeboard for any passer-by to see, again?

    You mean people that attend the college ? Next these special snowflakes will be calling for no listing of who got a role in the play.


  • #104
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Some of our results are published. It can be pretty overwhelming, especially if some of us had a bad day or even a bad semester. But it encourages effort and hard work, which should also reflect in the workplace after graduation.
    What I don't agree with is bell curves. Don't even get me started on them :o


  • #105
    Dimithy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭Dimithy


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    The point is that publishing exam results publicly is a way of encouraging students to compete, to excel. Making the results private takes away that motivation and then standards drop because students don't care any more about their results in comparison to anyone elses.

    Do all of the top education institutions publish student grades?


  • #106
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    When I was in college I didn't care - it didn't change people's attitudes towards me anyway if I didn't do well in something. But I did always wonder why it was done - it is private and not in anyone's interest other than that of the individual.


  • #107
    Anita Blow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Colleges/Universities in Ireland publish annual exam results using exam numbers which are generated randomly each year. This is a non-issue in Ireland.


  • #108
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Dimithy wrote: »
    Do all of the top education institutions publish student grades?


    I don't know, is the only answer I can give you to that one.


  • #109
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    When I was in college I didn't care - it didn't change people's attitudes towards me anyway if I didn't do well in something. But I did always wonder why it was done - it is private and not in anyone's interest other than that of the individual.

    They do judge inside though. Especially in highly competitive courses :pac:


  • #110
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    They do judge inside though. Especially in highly competitive courses :pac:
    ... which wasn't the case for my course, to be fair. :p


  • #111
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    ... which wasn't the case for my course, to be fair. :p

    ...Maybe I'm just a judgy bitch :D
    Nah, I'm only talking from experience, people gossip over those who did badly in my course. Results days terrify me every time.


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  • #112
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    ...Maybe I'm just a judgy bitch :D
    Nah, I'm only talking from experience, people gossip over those who did badly in my course. Results days terrify me every time.
    Ah no I wasn't having a go - my course wasn't at all competitive, so people wouldn't have really given a sh-t. High numbers too, so you wouldn't know most people anyway. I've no doubt there's more notice of other people's results in the smaller courses all right though - there is simply no need for publication of people's results.


  • #113
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    Ah no I wasn't having a go - my course wasn't at all competitive, so people wouldn't have really given a sh-t. High numbers too, so you wouldn't know most people anyway. I've not doubt there's more notice of other people's results in the smaller courses all right though - there is simply no need for publication of people's results.

    I'd love a course with high numbers so nobody would know any better. 28 of us, there's no escaping the judgement of failing :rolleyes:


  • #114
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    I'd love a course with high numbers so nobody would know any better. 28 of us, there's no escaping the judgement of failing :rolleyes:

    People better get used to being judged, That's what the people in-front of you in the interview are doing.


  • #115
    EazyD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    ... which wasn't the case for my course, to be fair. :p

    Wish I could say the same about mine. Just finished my final year and it got nauseating towards the end listening to some eejits yapper on about people's grades, generally in a nasty as opposed to inquisitive way.

    I did well myself so I was very happy but it was a stark contrast to my last course where people generally kept that stuff to themselves unless asked or it came up in conversation.


  • #116
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    I'd love a course with high numbers so nobody would know any better. 28 of us, there's no escaping the judgement of failing :rolleyes:
    If it was necessary, fair enough, suck it up and use it to your advantage - but obviously its necessity is worth precisely zero.


  • #117
    xLisaBx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 901 ✭✭✭xLisaBx


    Cold War Kid wrote: »
    If it was necessary, fair enough, suck it up and use it to your advantage - but obviously its necessity is worth precisely zero.

    Without it I would have less than zero motivation to study, it could be an advantage


  • #118
    jimboblep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭jimboblep


    cajonlardo wrote: »
    Hope you never need a Fire Fighter or anyone else whose skills and ability aren't academic based.

    Why would a firefighter need a first from cambridge, the point of the analogy is that the world needs all sorts of workers, not everyone is cut out for higher level.
    Is it your own inferiority complex starting to show?


  • #119
    Cold War Kid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    jimboblep wrote: »
    Why would a firefighter need a first from cambridge, the point of the analogy is that the world needs all sorts of workers, not everyone is cut out for higher level.
    Is it your own inferiority complex starting to show?
    It's not a very well worded analogy - it looks more like a sneer at people who aren't academically brilliant, when it's not like you have to be academically brilliant to get a good job anyway, or that a job like ditch-digging is all you'd be capable of. Very few people who go to university full stop would become ditch-diggers (unless it's just a stop-gap/part-time job).

    I'm not sure how objecting to the catchphrase must mean inferiority complex.


  • #120
    RaRaRasputin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭RaRaRasputin


    I wonder how many posters here have actually attended/ taught at a university?
    Yes, it might be that nobody will ever demand proof of a first or second honour degree but while you are in university you are up against the rest in your year/ division. It is a competitive environment which I think is way more encouraging than allowing people to just bumble along at a mediocre level, and knowing that your name will be up on a list alongside your grade is just an encouragement. I wish this collective "nannying" could stop at some stage


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  • #121
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    xLisaBx wrote: »
    I'd love a course with high numbers so nobody would know any better. 28 of us, there's no escaping the judgement of failing :rolleyes:
    If failing isn't a possibility then there's no problem.


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