What is wrong with people who express their hatred for cats?

Spanish Eyes · 08-08-2015 10:00PM

Dogs have masters.

Cats have maids.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-08-2015 10:04PM

B0jangles wrote:

My neighbours have a couple of cats which spend hours a day hunting wild birds in my garden. If a pet dog kept roaming around the neighbourhood unrestrained, then you could call the dog warden to have something done about it, but cats? Nah, they can do what they want, crap where they want, hunt where they want. I think its largely down to the fact that a dog might hunt farm animals and cause financial damage, while pet cats just kill large numbers of wild animals that are of no monetary value (ecologically of course, it's a different story).

I bet you have the same objection to wild animals doing what they want, crapping where they want, hunting where they want.

I'm glad you understand that wild animals are of no monetary value and you answered your own point. Nicely put. Point well made that cats hunting hares is different to dogs hunting livestock. I agree with you.

B0jangles · 08-08-2015 10:26PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I bet you have the same objection to wild animals doing what they want, crapping where they want, hunting where they want.

I'm glad you understand that wild animals are of no monetary value and you answered your own point. Nicely put. Point well made that cats hunting hares is different to dogs hunting livestock. I agree with you.

You would be 100% wrong as it happens. I absolutely respect and encourage the right of wild animals to do what they need to do to survive in a increasingly hostile environment.

I do not respect the right of self-absorbed cat owners to abnegate responsibility for their pet's behaviour because they are too lazy, too spoiled or too damn ignorant to recognize that if they choose to own a cat, they are responsible for its behaviour - its not up to everyone else to use cat repellents to keep little Mittens out of their gardens; it is their responsibility as pet owners to control their pets.

They choose to feed, house, and protect a non-native apex predator which likes to kill for fun even when it has been fed to bursting point. In Australia, cats are not allowed outside except in runs, to protect native fauna. Any cat seen outside a controlled, confined space in Australia is liable to be shot.

If such a policy was introduced in this country I would be very very surprised if irish cat owners didn't suddenly find a slew of ways to contain and control their pets as dog owners are expected to do.

ballyharpat · 08-08-2015 10:46PM

B0jangles wrote: »

You would be 100% wrong as it happens. I absolutely respect and encourage the right of wild animals to do what they need to do to survive in a increasingly hostile environment.

I do not respect the right of self-absorbed cat owners to abnegate responsibility for their pet's behaviour because they are too lazy, too spoiled or too damn ignorant to recognize that if they choose to own a cat, they are responsible for its behaviour - its not up to everyone else to use cat repellents to keep little Mittens out of their gardens; it is their responsibility as pet owners to control their pets.

They choose to feed, house, and protect a non-native apex predator which likes to kill for fun even when it has been fed to bursting point. In Australia, cats are not allowed outside except in runs, to protect native fauna. Any cat seen outside a controlled, confined space in Australia is liable to be shot.

If such a policy was introduced in this country I would be very very surprised if irish cat owners didn't suddenly find a slew of ways to contain and control their pets as dog owners are expected to do.

This, along with having to pick up half a dozen cat s***s from my garden on a daily basis, with neighbors feeding and housing cats, but no one clamming responsibility when they need to be cleaned up after.
Cats urine stinks, on a warm day, outside my back garden it stinks, I can't even open the door as it will stink the house.

My neighbors have no problem, and rightly so, coming to me if my dog does his business on their lawn-he's my dog-my responsibility.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-08-2015 10:50PM

B0jangles wrote:

If such a policy was introduced in this country I would be very very surprised if irish cat owners didn't suddenly find a slew of ways to contain and control their pets as dog owners are expected to do.

Sure thing... cept cats hunting hares is of no concequence to anyone. No chance of crows or pigeons being endangered so why get all hot and bothered about it?

juneg · 08-08-2015 10:58PM

This is Feral cat awareness week.

Many vets around the country are offering discounted prices for neutering and spaying either feral or pet cats.

http://justcats.ie/blog/2014-08-14/national-feral-cat-awareness-week

Thanks for looking

Tony EH · 08-08-2015 11:46PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

I have recently semi-aquired three feral cats. A mother and two kittens. They show up at the window of my apartment intermittently during the day, to harass me into giving them milk and tuna. Gorgeous little things.

You acquired nothing.

You are an easy source of food for them, nothing more.

08-08-2015 11:49PM

anncoates wrote: »

I kinda liked the idea that my cats (when alive) would easily piss off with anther owner if I died.

This might be a myth (but I heard it from a vet), but don't cats get seriously depressed by a change? Like they can die of stress-related illness simply by moving house? Nothing is so afraid of change as a cat is, or so I've been told.

kylith · 08-08-2015 11:53PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure thing... cept cats hunting hares is of no concequence to anyone. No chance of crows or pigeons being endangered so why get all hot and bothered about it?

Actually irish hares, along with many species of bird, are in serious decline. While habitat destruction is certainly part of it predation isn't helping matters. Cats being inconvenienced by being kept in their own gardens pales in significance compared to the need to safeguard our wildlife. And as I pointed out upthread it would also safeguard the cats.

Cold War Kid · 09-08-2015 12:01AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This might be a myth (but I heard it from a vet), but don't cats get seriously depressed by a change? Like they can die of stress-related illness simply by moving house? Nothing is so afraid of change as a cat is, or so I've been told.

They can find their old home even if it was several miles away. Bizarre.

09-08-2015 12:04AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

They can find their old home even if it was several miles away. Bizarre.

Tell me about it. Must drive farther next time.

Junkyard Tom · 09-08-2015 12:18AM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

They can find their old home even if it was several miles away. Bizarre.

Or even several hundred!

09-08-2015 12:33AM

kylith wrote: »

Actually irish hares, along with many species of bird, are in serious decline. While habitat destruction is certainly part of it predation isn't helping matters.

Cats don't kill hares, do they?

All the hares on my place are pure massive, certainly bigger than the cats. Much faster than a cat too, I reckon. Leverets are another matter, of course...

anncoates · 10-08-2015 09:42AM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

This might be a myth (but I heard it from a vet), but don't cats get seriously depressed by a change? Like they can die of stress-related illness simply by moving house? Nothing is so afraid of change as a cat is, or so I've been told.

Ours moved house twice and yeah, they freak out badly. Hide in a safe spot corner for a day or two but they got over handy enough.

pickarooney · 10-08-2015 09:51AM

Areyouwell wrote: »

My main issue is not with cats themselves, but their owners. As Kylith said, why should it be acceptable for cat owners to allow their cats to roam and wander where they wish. It's not acceptable for any other pet. And my main dislike of cats, stems from they damage they do to the natural environment and their fondness of killing for fun. High time something was done to stop and control such behaviour.

They're bastards for the ould deforestation and water pollution all right.

Shenshen · 10-08-2015 10:08AM

B0jangles wrote: »

You would be 100% wrong as it happens. I absolutely respect and encourage the right of wild animals to do what they need to do to survive in a increasingly hostile environment.

I do not respect the right of self-absorbed cat owners to abnegate responsibility for their pet's behaviour because they are too lazy, too spoiled or too damn ignorant to recognize that if they choose to own a cat, they are responsible for its behaviour - its not up to everyone else to use cat repellents to keep little Mittens out of their gardens; it is their responsibility as pet owners to control their pets.

They choose to feed, house, and protect a non-native apex predator which likes to kill for fun even when it has been fed to bursting point. In Australia, cats are not allowed outside except in runs, to protect native fauna. Any cat seen outside a controlled, confined space in Australia is liable to be shot.

If such a policy was introduced in this country I would be very very surprised if irish cat owners didn't suddenly find a slew of ways to contain and control their pets as dog owners are expected to do.

At least you can get cat repellent relatively cheaply.
We had to spend the better part of 2 grand to fix a high enough gate to our front wall to keep other people's dogs from running into the garden.

kylith · 10-08-2015 10:22AM

Shenshen wrote: »

At least you can get cat repellent relatively cheaply.
We had to spend the better part of 2 grand to fix a high enough gate to our front wall to keep other people's dogs from running into the garden.

The green cat repellent is also dog repellent. And at least you had the option to call the warden and report dogs running loose.

coxeyboy92 · 10-08-2015 10:26AM

cats are awesome

Shenshen · 10-08-2015 10:28AM

kylith wrote: »

The green cat repellent is also dog repellent. And at least you had the option to call the warden and report dogs running loose.

We did.
I'll let you guess how much impact that had.

I'm not sure how effective the dog repellent would have been on a dog at full speed chasing after one of our cats in our garden...

OneOfThem · 10-08-2015 10:34AM

Tony EH wrote: »

You acquired nothing.

You are an easy source of food for them, nothing more.

No, no... I'm pretty sure they're fans of the Pink Floyd albums I usually have playing. You know, feral cats, prog rock... that whole connection there.
:rolleyes:

Tony EH · 10-08-2015 10:36AM

You sure it isn't Cat Stevens?

whisky_galore · 10-08-2015 10:39AM

Some people hate cats; others hate mustard, or brocolli, or cyclists, or clowns...so fcuking what, why do people have to make a song-and-dance about hating things?

OneOfThem · 11-08-2015 09:32PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Milk is bad for kittens

Really, is that a thing? How bad? Is it like "sugar is bad for humans" or is it going to fvck them up? They love that sh1t.

Cats drink milk? Is this not a thing any more?

Cold War Kid · 11-08-2015 09:36PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Really, is that a thing? How bad? Is it like "sugar is bad for humans" or is it going to fvck them up? They love that sh1t.

Cats drink milk? Is this not a thing any more?

A lot of cats are actually lactose-intolerant, weirdly enough. It gives them the trots and other stomach upsets. And they don't need milk - well kittens do, but their mother's milk only, that's why they shouldn't be taken from her until weaned. The thing of cats drinking milk probably comes from Tom & Jerry or something, honestly!

Better off giving cats/weaned kittens water. They won't drink tap-water though, as they can really taste the chlorine due to having a much more heightened sense of smell. Collect rain-water instead in a bucket or something. This will not be a problem.

Medusa22 · 11-08-2015 09:44PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

Really, is that a thing? How bad? Is it like "sugar is bad for humans" or is it going to fvck them up? They love that sh1t.

Cats drink milk? Is this not a thing any more?

You can also get cat milk in the supermarket which is suitable for cats and doesn't have any lactose in it, you know, if you feel like spoiling them

OneOfThem · 11-08-2015 09:46PM

God damn it. What about tuna? Cats can eat fish, yeah?

Cold War Kid · 11-08-2015 09:48PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

What about tuna? Cat's can eat fish, yeah?

Yeah, but not too much. The bulk of their food should be a good quality dry cat-food. Tinned/pouch cat-food is muck. But yes, little bits of tuna and other "human" meats as a treat are fine.

To answer your question about whether milk for cats is kinda like sugar for humans, as in they/we love it but it's bad for them/us: affirmative.

Medusa22 · 11-08-2015 09:48PM

OneOfThem wrote: »

What about tuna? Cat's can eat fish, yeah?

Oh they love tuna, and it's grand for them, I wouldn't give them loads though because of the mercury in it, how many of them are there? If there's a few then I'd say a can between them would be ok. It's better to get tuna in brine or spring water though, rather than in sunflower oil. It's very good of you to inquire

Medusa22 · 11-08-2015 09:51PM

Cold War Kid wrote: »

Yeah, but not too much. The bulk of their food should be a good quality dry cat-food. Tinned/pouch cat-food is muck. But yes, little bits of tuna and other "human" meats as a treat are fine.

To answer your question about whether milk for cats is kinda like sugar for humans, as in they/we love it but it's bad for them/us: affirmative.

My vet in Dublin told me the same a few years ago, that it's basically like feeding them Mcdonalds, so we moved my cat onto dry food, although I did have concern about his kidneys at the time. We moved back to Cork though and now we have a new vet and she comes highly recommended and she only specialises in cats and she told me that ideally he should be eating pouches so now we're giving him a mix because I'm confused.

Cold War Kid · 11-08-2015 09:54PM

Medusa22 wrote: »

My vet in Dublin told me the same a few years ago, that it's basically like feeding them Mcdonalds, so we moved my cat onto dry food, although I did have concern about his kidneys at the time. We moved back to Cork though and now we have a new vet and she comes highly recommended and she only specialises in cats and she told me that ideally he should be eating pouches so now we're giving him a mix because I'm confused.

Gah, hate those mixed messages. I guess a decent make of tinned/pouch food, like the auld reliable Whiskas, should be ok.
It's like bloody crack to them though - something that makes them go that ape-sh1t can't be good. :pac:

What is wrong with people who express their hatred for cats?

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