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CloughCasey1 · 08-08-2015 12:43PM

Orange chx may14
White chx apr 14
Hex will go together Mar & Apr 14

Mix of nuts soya bean meal and barley bout half kg each per day since turn out. Just to keep them ticking over really. They very easy manage also.

tanko · 08-08-2015 12:50PM

The whiteheads did the best, they were the cheapest to buy and left the biggest profit.

CloughCasey1 · 08-08-2015 01:11PM

tanko wrote: »

The whiteheads did the best, they were the cheapest to buy and left the biggest profit.

Tis hard to know what to buy. Weanlings under 700 euro anymore and good continental sucks 350 or under. Anything more is a risk.

AP2014 · 08-08-2015 01:51PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Orange chx may14
White chx apr 14
Hex will go together Mar & Apr 14

Mix of nuts soya bean meal and barley bout half kg each per day since turn out. Just to keep them ticking over really. They very easy manage also.

Great weights for the ages. I will have a few to go in November around the DOB/quality of yours and be 500kg to 550kg hopefully. I dished out €800 for them in March though. You did great with those HEX.

I don't give feed, would you not buy beef nuts? Is that mix you buy cheaper?

Willfarman · 08-08-2015 04:27PM

The chars were deserving of a bit more but ya couldn't bring em home just same. Whiteheads were bang on value Imo.

CloughCasey1 · 08-08-2015 10:12PM

AP2014 wrote: »

Great weights for the ages. I will have a few to go in November around the DOB/quality of yours and be 500kg to 550kg hopefully. I dished out €800 for them in March though. You did great with those HEX.

I don't give feed, would you not buy beef nuts? Is that mix you buy cheaper?

I buy half tonne bag of nuts and bags of soya meal and barley. 3half tonne bags since turnout so not robbing me.

CloughCasey1 · 08-08-2015 10:14PM

Willfarman wrote: »

The chars were deserving of a bit more but ya couldn't bring em home just same. Whiteheads were bang on value Imo.

In my opinion yes. I'd have got 750 + with their weight 2 wks ago. Was happy out with the whiteheads.

Farrell · 08-08-2015 10:15PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

I buy half tonne bag of nuts and bags of soya meal and barley. 3half tonne bags since turnout so not robbing me.

What rate do you mix?
Also is it to cheapen the mix, or add protein?

CloughCasey1 · 08-08-2015 10:42PM

Farrell wrote: »

What rate do you mix?
Also is it to cheapen the mix, or add protein?

Soya bean meal definitely does not cheapen the mix. Total mik for groups of 8 for summer would be a total of 3kg beef nuts 3/4kg of both soya and barley. More protein is the key. And ive been consistently getting cattle to carry good weight and build good frame since I started using the soya

tanko · 08-08-2015 10:59PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Soya bean meal definitely does not cheapen the mix. Total mik for groups of 8 for summer would be a total of 3kg beef nuts 3/4kg of both soya and barley. More protein is the key. And ive been consistently getting cattle to carry good weight and build good frame since I started using the soya

What size bags does the soya bean meal come in and how much is it?

CloughCasey1 · 08-08-2015 11:07PM

tanko wrote: »

What size bags does the soya bean meal come in and how much is it?

25kg quinns is the name on bag I think. It is over €13 per bag.

Farrell · 08-08-2015 11:26PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Soya bean meal definitely does not cheapen the mix. Total mik for groups of 8 for summer would be a total of 3kg beef nuts 3/4kg of both soya and barley. More protein is the key. And ive been consistently getting cattle to carry good weight and build good frame since I started using the soya

Ok so a 3:2:2 mix.
Could be an option for weanlings heifers over the winter.
Would you add minerals to the mix?

Good loser · 08-08-2015 11:44PM

Journal said this week 12% crude protein enough for fattening cattle on grass. It is too.

Protein is now high in grass dry matter.

CloughCasey1 · 09-08-2015 06:47AM

Good loser wrote: »

Journal said this week 12% crude protein enough for fattening cattle on grass. It is too.

Protein is now high in grass dry matter.

Ya in a perfect world. With beautiful grazing weather. They standing at the walls looking for shelter most of the last month. This way I know they are getting what they need. As I said its my system it seems to be working and I'm sticking with it.

CloughCasey1 · 09-08-2015 06:50AM

Farrell wrote: »

Ok so a 3:2:2 mix.
Could be an option for weanlings heifers over the winter.
Would you add minerals to the mix?

Minerals is the next thing I want to look into. I put bluestone in troughs every so often and bucket of mineral lick. Would like advice on that if anyone has any. As for winter I change the main mixture from nuts to barley and soya hulls mix with soya bean meal.

tomieen jones · 09-08-2015 08:32AM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Minerals is the next thing I want to look into. I put bluestone in troughs every so often and bucket of mineral lick. Would like advice on that if anyone has any. As for winter I change the main mixture from nuts to barley and soya hulls mix with soya bean meal.

I do the very same! Throw some bluestone
Into the water troughs but it's guess work as to how much is sufficient unless I do a few blood tests

cute geoge · 09-08-2015 11:05AM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

No AP he didn't. Two lads starting bidding on the whiteheads so that got me the 90euro extra. They were tall well made ones anyway. There was a lot of them in before mine same age and 380kg. Paid 500 each for them in November. 715 for orangey chx in sept and 600 for white chx last August. Happy enough.

Great info just wondering what the 380kg whiteheads made
Have you an idea what weight the whiteheads were when you bought them
I sold 3 august '14 whiteheads 270kg bucket fed weanlings myself this week for €625 .happy as they were handy out of smallish fr cows sold the best one out of that bunch for €200 as a 6 weeks old calf in local mart , so they made well over €425 for there years keep

CloughCasey1 · 09-08-2015 12:06PM

cute geoge wrote: »

Great info just wondering what the 380kg whiteheads made
Have you an idea what weight the whiteheads were when you bought them
I sold 3 august '14 whiteheads 270kg bucket fed weanlings myself this week for €625 .happy as they were handy out of smallish fr cows sold the best one out of that bunch for €200 as a 6 weeks old calf in local mart , so they made well over €425 for there years keep

Around the 830 mark not 100% sure. They were light but good enough frame. The looked lost against what I reared myself from sucks and really bad against the weanlings I bought in but if ya look back at the photos I posted they came on well.

Limestone Cowboy · 09-08-2015 08:54PM

Headed up to tullamore today through Gort, portumna and birr. Herself was driving and I got to look in over plenty of walls and is it just me or is there very little stock east of the Shannon. Apart from a few dairy farms along the way there didn't seem to be anything close to the numbers of stock around fields as there is around here. Granted there is a good bit of tillage land along the way but would have thought on good land there would be a lot more stock along the way. Anyone else notice similar?

whelan2 · 09-08-2015 09:10PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Headed up to tullamore today through Gort, portumna and birr. Herself was driving and I got to look in over plenty of walls and is it just me or is there very little stock east of the Shannon. Apart from a few dairy farms along the way there didn't seem to be anything close to the numbers of stock around fields as there is around here. Granted there is a good bit of tillage land along the way but would have thought on good land there would be a lot more stock along the way. Anyone else notice similar?

Parents went to Mullingar last week, my dad said there was nearly no sheep in the fields on the way , a few big dairy farms and a few cattle. Said it has changed alot in a few years

orm0nd · 09-08-2015 10:11PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Headed up to tullamore today through Gort, portumna and birr. Herself was driving and I got to look in over plenty of walls and is it just me or is there very little stock east of the Shannon. Apart from a few dairy farms along the way there didn't seem to be anything close to the numbers of stock around fields as there is around here. Granted there is a good bit of tillage land along the way but would have thought on good land there would be a lot more stock along the way. Anyone else notice similar?

was talking to guy who came home by cloghan/borrisokane & said he saw fields of weathered round bales / hay , with the aftergrass well up around them , quite a large area he said

did you enjoy the show ?

Bullocks · 09-08-2015 10:21PM

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Headed up to tullamore today through Gort, portumna and birr. Herself was driving and I got to look in over plenty of walls and is it just me or is there very little stock east of the Shannon. Apart from a few dairy farms along the way there didn't seem to be anything close to the numbers of stock around fields as there is around here. Granted there is a good bit of tillage land along the way but would have thought on good land there would be a lot more stock along the way. Anyone else notice similar?

I see it in alot of places , I reckon alot of the older generation are not keeping up in stock numbers the last few years and there are fewer and fewer young people bothering to keep anything or help out on the home farm .
You would think the opposite reading this forum but around me here there are very few sons or daughters that want the hassle of going out in the evening to draw in bales or gather cows for a test .
You still won't rent a farm too easy though !

CloughCasey1 · 09-08-2015 10:57PM

Bullocks wrote: »

I see it in alot of places , I reckon alot of the older generation are not keeping up in stock numbers the last few years and there are fewer and fewer young people bothering to keep anything or help out on the home farm .
You would think the opposite reading this forum but around me here there are very few sons or daughters that want the hassle of going out in the evening to draw in bales or gather cows for a test .
You still won't rent a farm too easy though !

Whats mine is mine till the last breath!

Reggie. · 09-08-2015 11:00PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Whats mine is mine till the last breath!

True words. You can work on the farm but have no say or input is another issue I'd say

Bullocks · 09-08-2015 11:24PM

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Whats mine is mine till the last breath!

I sold cattle lately to 2 people with deceased fathers and the herd no. still in the fathers name . I wouldn't mind but one lad is in his fifties and the father nearly 90 when he keeled over and a wealthy man that didn't need to be holding onto the place

CloughCasey1 · 10-08-2015 10:00AM

Reggie. wrote: »

True words. You can work on the farm but have no say or input is another issue I'd say

And the both of us are only guests in the bit we can use so we know only too well! As you said before we not the organ grinders only the monkeys. But happy none the less to be doing our own bit.

Farmer Pudsey · 10-08-2015 10:21AM

Bullocks wrote: »

I sold cattle lately to 2 people with deceased fathers and the herd no. still in the fathers name . I wouldn't mind but one lad is in his fifties and the father nearly 90 when he keeled over and a wealthy man that didn't need to be holding onto the place

This place may not even be transferred into this lads name. It is a huge issue with CAT. The other issue is lads are slow to rent. In the past too many lads renting dogged places, some still do. Part of the reason for this is uneconomic rents.This is partly due to EU payments.

If you have 50 acres in a DA by keeping a few head of cattle and entering reps it is easy enough to have 12-15K in EU payments. Any money poff the cattle after that is a bonus. In general most of them have no interest in farming. More importantly there knowledge of farming is very limited. Most do not treat it as a business and a lot feel they have to have every implement under the sun.

Not being critical ( well I suppose I am) look at the lads still trying to get hay. Case a few miles from me two older farmers usually a nearby dairy farmer used to cut there meadows in mid June. He took half as silage and they saved the rest as hay. This year the dairy farmers had loads silage stacked in the yard. It seems he decided not to take it. What lads are not sure about is when he told the two old lads.

ganmo · 10-08-2015 10:42AM

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

This place may not even be transferred into this lads name. It is a huge issue with CAT. The other issue is lads are slow to rent. In the past too many lads renting dogged places, some still do. Part of the reason for this is uneconomic rents.This is partly due to EU payments.

If you have 50 acres in a DA by keeping a few head of cattle and entering reps it is easy enough to have 12-15K in EU payments. Any money poff the cattle after that is a bonus. In general most of them have no interest in farming. More importantly there knowledge of farming is very limited. Most do not treat it as a business and a lot feel they have to have every implement under the sun.

Not being critical ( well I suppose I am) look at the lads still trying to get hay. Case a few miles from me two older farmers usually a nearby dairy farmer used to cut there meadows in mid June. He took half as silage and they saved the rest as hay. This year the dairy farmers had loads silage stacked in the yard. It seems he decided not to take it. What lads are not sure about is when he told the two old lads.

imagine how much more could be produced if they sold to lads that want to farm

rangler1 · 10-08-2015 11:08AM

Bullocks wrote: »

I see it in alot of places , I reckon alot of the older generation are not keeping up in stock numbers the last few years and there are fewer and fewer young people bothering to keep anything or help out on the home farm .
You would think the opposite reading this forum but around me here there are very few sons or daughters that want the hassle of going out in the evening to draw in bales or gather cows for a test .
You still won't rent a farm too easy though !

There's very few parents that'd encourage their children to farm these day.
I think there's a lot of misplaced optimism on this forum, there's a serious income crisis in farming at the moment and I don't think dairy farmer have got their heads around this fact, they're still on the euphoria created by the protected market situation that they've been thrown out of.
Supply and demand will always set the price and a rise in price only creates more supply and floors the price...there's still guys waiting on the wings to get into dairying.
On renting land, I despair when I see what happens to land after the owner rents it out....maybe after they putting years of work into it.
Maybe I'm a pessimist, but you have to be realistic too

rangler1 · 10-08-2015 11:09AM

ganmo wrote: »

imagine how much more could be produced if they sold to lads that want to farm

Go easy, we can't get a decent price for what we do produce

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