UK graduate thrown out of gay club after "triggering" Blurred Lines is played

The Corinthian · 05-08-2015 01:49PM

Kev W wrote: »

What does "credible" mean to you?

If you don't know what it means, I suspect the answer is no.

Guy:Incognito · 05-08-2015 01:49PM

Seems its ok to assume gender (and societal norms) when it suits.

Georgia G ‏@GeorgiaG92 9 Jul 2012
at every staircase travelling through #london a random man has offered to take my suitcase for me. nice to know chivalry still exists

Also, bit presumptuous of her to just assume it was a man and that "he" prefers to be identified as such.

hatrickpatrick · 05-08-2015 01:49PM

Kev W wrote: »

Saying she doesn't want to hear it is not the same as telling him he can't play it. The song was already playing FFS.

Ah come on.

I suppose saying to a flasher "I don't want to see your feckin' willy" isn't, by extension, saying "put your feckin' willy away"?

zeffabelli · 05-08-2015 01:50PM

Kev W wrote: »

Saying she doesn't want to hear it is not the same as telling him he can't play it. The song was already playing FFS.

S/he's requested disciplinary action over this nonsense.

Kev W · 05-08-2015 01:51PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Ah come on.
I suppose saying to a flasher "I don't want to see your feckin' willy" isn't, by extension, saying "put your feckin' willy away"?

So you'd equate playing "Blurred Lines" with indecent exposure?

I wouldn't go so far but you're entitled to your opinion.

Paramite Pie · 05-08-2015 01:51PM

smoking_kills wrote: »

She's not female or male, as gender is a social construct. And yes, that's as stupid as it sounds.

If gender was just a social construct, then people wouldn't be seeking sex changes in the first place. Gender is clearly more innate than that. (and i'm not talking about gender 'roles').

Kev W wrote: »

A lot of what I'm seeing on this thread reads to me as "I don't like or understand there being more than two kinds of sexuality so people who don't fall into that binary don't exist".

Alot of these terms overlap so much -- basically some people don't like labels so they create new ones with more nuance, then when that becomes "mainstream" someone else creates a new term.

For example a person who has no gender;

Agender
Genderless
Non-Gendered
Genderfree

Surely it''s pretty straightforward if a person has no gender identity -- why so many terms?

Kev W · 05-08-2015 01:51PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

S/he's requested disciplinary action over this nonsense.

Over the verbal abuse, not the fact that he continued to play the song.

Barely There · 05-08-2015 01:52PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

She For someone that didn't bother reporting her own rape to the police

Wouldn't be surprised to find out she made the whole thing up to garner a bit of attention.

hatrickpatrick · 05-08-2015 01:52PM

Kev W wrote: »

So you'd equate playing "Blurred Lines" with indecent exposure?

I wouldn't go so far but you're entitled to your opinion.

Analogies aren't your strong point, are they?

You must find it awfully boring watching Michael Noonan go one one of his famously analogous rants

ohnonotgmail · 05-08-2015 01:53PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

She comes across as a bit of an oddball on twitter. For someone that didn't bother reporting her own rape to the police, she's quick to report on trivial stuff.

reported for understatement. She tried to have an argument with Richard Dawkins and had her/his ass handed to them.

Kev W · 05-08-2015 01:54PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

If gender was just a social construct, then people wouldn't be seeking sex changes in the first place. Gender is clearly more innate than that. (and i'm not talking about gender 'roles').

Alot of these terms overlap so much -- basically some people don't like labels so they create new ones with more nuance, then when that becomes "mainstream" someone else creates a new term.

For example a person who has no gender;

Agender
Genderless
Non-Gendered
Genderfree

Surely it''s pretty straightforward if a person has no gender identity -- why so many terms?

When a phenomenon is new (or new in the public consciousness), more than one person may try to name it and more than one name may catch on.

zeffabelli · 05-08-2015 01:54PM

Kev W wrote: »

Over the verbal abuse, not the fact that he continued to play the song.

Insane. He could counter sue for workplace harrassment.

Again mistaking establishing boundaries for abuse. Which of course calls into question the credibility of his/her perceptions.

hatrickpatrick · 05-08-2015 01:55PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

Surely it''s pretty straightforward if a person has no gender identity -- why so many terms?

I'll get attacked for this, probably, but I think in that case you can separate those who are genuinely conflicted about their gender (or indeed, genuinely transgender and already know that) - and I fully accept that there are many who fit into this category - and those who want to be different, to be special, to stand out. The latter group is the group which will always look for a new label once the original one becomes accepted, because to them it's not actually about gender, it's about "look at me, I'm special".

So the only label which actually applies to them is "hipster".

J Mysterio · 05-08-2015 01:55PM

Kev W wrote: »

If it's not obvious when meeting, the phrase "what's your pronoun preference?" works.

LOL

Adamocovic · 05-08-2015 01:55PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Why is an article from the arsehole of the Internet, that is unverifiable and probably fake/heavily-embellished, being amplified like this on Boards?

Because..

It's provocative!
It gets the people going!!

:pac:

NachoBusiness · 05-08-2015 01:56PM

Kev W wrote: »

Saying she doesn't want to hear it is not the same as telling him he can't play it. The song was already playing FFS.

You're talking threw your hat in fairness.

How would the DJ know that when she said she didn't want to 'hear that shit' that she meant in the future, under certain conditions, and with prior notice being given, etc etc, but didn't want him to stop playing it there and then? More to the point in fact, how you know this?

You do know that she has called for the song to be banned at the venue, right? “because it triggers so many women and people assigned female who go there” or “Or at least it should be announced before it’s played from now on, so at least people can leave.”

And despite all this, you're still yet emotively objecting to my daring to say that she expected the DJ not to play the song? Ha.

05-08-2015 01:56PM

You know, it's kinda odd that we have transsexuals who are fighting to have their gender recognized and then you have this person fighting to have no gender at all.

hatrickpatrick · 05-08-2015 01:56PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Because..

It's provocative!
It gets the people going!!

:pac:

I feel you might be missing the deeper motivation:
It gets clicks. And clicks get money.

Kev W · 05-08-2015 01:58PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You know, it's kinda odd that we have transsexuals who are fighting to have their gender recognized and then you have this person fighting to have no gender at all.

No. It isn't.

ISIS are sound · 05-08-2015 02:00PM

Kev W wrote: »

No. It isn't.

How can you not be a gender?

Kev W · 05-08-2015 02:00PM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

You're talking threw your hat in fairness.

How would the DJ know that when she said she didn't want to 'hear that shit' that she meant in the future, under certain conditions, and with prior notice being given, etc etc, but didn't want him to stop playing it there and then? More to the point in fact, how you know this?

You do know that she has called for the song to be banned at the venue, right? “because it triggers so many women and people assigned female who go there” or “Or at least it should be announced before it’s played from now on, so at least people can leave.”

And despite all this, you're still yet emotively objecting to my daring to say that she expected the DJ not to play the song? Ha.

Well that's what she said and I have no reason to dismiss that. I don't know for a fact that she didn't mean that but you don't know for a fact that she did, yet you seem happy enough to assume so.

zeffabelli · 05-08-2015 02:01PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'll get attacked for this, probably, but I think in that case you can separate those who are genuinely conflicted about their gender (or indeed, genuinely transgender and already know that) - and I fully accept that there are many who fit into this category - and those who want to be different, to be special, to stand out. The latter group is the group which will always look for a new label once the original one becomes accepted, because to them it's not actually about gender, it's about "look at me, I'm special".

So the only label which actually applies to them is "hipster".

It's become fashionable like being gay in high school is kind of fashionable now.

Even Jenner, I sometimes wonder did he just decide if he can't beat them, join them, and find a way to steal some spotlight living with all those girls.

05-08-2015 02:02PM

Kev W wrote: »

No. It isn't.

Yes it is. Gender isn't some form of identity. Gender is a biological thing. Sure, someone who goes through gender reassignment does move from one to the other and should be recognized as such. But you're not going to be recognized as having no gender at all. That's just stupid. Your genitalia defines what gender you are.

Also someone pointed out that white woman who was living as a black woman and the world kept going on about how she was going through some psychological problems. And yet we more or less have the same thing happening with gender and yet it's being treated totally different.

Why is race unacceptable but gender is?

Non-binary is just some blasted thing that comes from the tumblr generation. Nothing more, nothing less.

jobbridge4life · 05-08-2015 02:02PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

It's become fashionable like being gay in high school is kind of fashionable now.

:rolleyes:

zeffabelli wrote: »

Even Jenner, I sometimes wonder did he just decide if he can't beat them, join them, and find a way to steal some spotlight living with all those girls.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Kev W · 05-08-2015 02:03PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

It's become fashionable like being gay in high school is kind of fashionable now.

Even Jenner, I sometimes wonder did he just decide if he can't beat them, join them, and find a way to steal some spotlight living with all those girls.

"I'm not actually attracted to my own gender but I'll pretend to be so I can be fashionable"

You can't honestly think that's happening.

hatrickpatrick · 05-08-2015 02:04PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Even Jenner, I sometimes wonder did he just decide if he can't beat them, join them, and find a way to steal some spotlight living with all those girls.

I have to ask, and I know I'm out of the loop here, but who IS Jenner? Like, I get that she's a transsexual who's been very vocal and upfront about her surgery, which is great that she feels comfortable enough to do that, but why should I or you know about her as opposed to any of the other many transsexuals in the world? I don't recall the name "Bruce Jenner" ringing any bells as a celebrity before the op?

Is she somehow connected to Kylie Jenner and by extension, the God-awful cult of the Kardashians?

zeffabelli · 05-08-2015 02:04PM

Kev W wrote: »

"I'm not actually attracted to my own gender but I'll pretend to be so I can be fashionable"

You can't honestly think that's happening.

Yes it is happening.

Stick your head in the sand if you like but it is.

05-08-2015 02:06PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Is she somehow connected to Kylie Jenner and by extension, the God-awful cult of the Kardashians?

Yup.

Kev W · 05-08-2015 02:06PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

Yes it is happening.

Stick your head in the sand if you like but it is.

I don't want to think about where you've got your head stuck if you believe that.

NachoBusiness · 05-08-2015 02:07PM

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Why is an article from the arsehole of the Internet, that is unverifiable and probably fake..

I posted a Tweet from her earlier. It's not fake.

Here is one she sent the club (the Miss Orry she mentions is the DJ):

https://twitter.com/GeorgiaG92/status/626087070142976000

UK graduate thrown out of gay club after "triggering" Blurred Lines is played

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