Jericho, Cecil's brother now shot dead

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 09:19AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But they are people.

Frankly I'd rather see lions wiped off the face of the earth than one black person, or person of any colour, wrongly killed.

It doesn't have to be a question of either/or y'know? How about we don't have to kill lions and we don't have to kill black people either?

Now as is human nature, some people are going to care more about one than the other, but pointing out that these people care more about one than the other, isn't going to make them care less about one and more about the other.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again, I gave the contact details of Black Lives Matter above.

Please contact them with your point that they are spiteful, immature and martyrs, and come back and tell us the response.

You brought them up, in a thread about a lion killing, you seem to think I should care about the organisation, and as it happens, I really don't. I promise I won't shoot any black people. There. That should keep them happy. Now can we get back to talking about lion killing in this thread, and you can contact Jimmy in your own time to tell him that he should shed tears for black people too. Insincerity seems to be your M.O., not mine.

Mickeroo · 02-08-2015 09:20AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's now being reported that this particular lion might still be alive.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cecil-s-brother-jericho-alive-and-well-says-researcher-after-reports-lion-was-killed-1.3176870

The article in the OP made it pretty clear that the daily mail just seemed to be making the story up....one of the bullet points said the GPS tracker suggested the lion was alive and well.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:24AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It doesn't have to be a question of either/or y'know? How about we don't have to kill lions and we don't have to kill black people either?

Now as is human nature, some people are going to care more about one than the other, but pointing out that these people care more about one than the other, isn't going to make them care less about one and more about the other.

You brought them up, in a thread about a lion killing, you seem to think I should care about the organisation, and as it happens, I really don't. I promise I won't shoot any black people. There. That should keep them happy. Now can we get back to talking about lion killing in this thread, and you can contact Jimmy in your own time to tell him that he should shed tears for black people too. Insincerity seems to be your M.O., not mine.

The lion is not dead.

Hans Bricks · 02-08-2015 09:27AM

Theres 7 billion of us. The most destructive species that currently roam the planet. I'm sure in generations to come when our descendants look back, they will be overjoyed we didn't address or save majestic species from becoming extinct and endangered, all so we could could waste time hashtagging and sanctimoniously blogging about African Americans and random "brown people".

Not that humans are more important than other species anyway or causes to stop animal cruelty and bloodsports are less worthy because of whataboutery cause de hours.

02-08-2015 09:30AM

To give a flip side - can't find the article, but it did mention that the killing of an animal in a similar manner, who was past it's prime, raised $250,000, which was sent back into conservation for dozens of other animals.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:31AM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Theres 7 billion of us. The most destructive species that currently roam the planet. I'm sure in generations to come when our descendants look back, they will be overjoyed we didn't address or save majestic species from becoming extinct and endangered, all so we could could waste time hashtagging and sanctimoniously blogging about African Americans and random "brown people".

Not that humans are more important than other species anyway or causes to stop animal cruelty and bloodsports are less worthy because of whataboutery cause de hours.

What Lion died ?

02-08-2015 09:31AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It doesn't have to be a question of either/or y'know?

Yes, that point was addressed pages back.

We know it doesn't have to be one or the other. But that doesn't prevent people contrasting the reaction to both.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

You brought them up, in a thread about a lion killing, you seem to think I should care about the organisation, and as it happens, I really don't. I promise I won't shoot any black people. There.

At least you are being honest about your glibness and indifference. But to correct you, the thread is not limited to cat killing, it can also incorporate the reaction to the cat's death.

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 09:32AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

The lion is not dead.

Yes, I know that, and that's good news, but some people are still unhappy and want to use this thread to bemoan the fact that we're not talking about all the black people in America being shot??

The two issues aren't even related? You might as well just have one megathread in AH and call it "Things I think we should all give a sh1t about equally or else we're not exemplary human beings and we should all be shot"...

Working title, it's a bit of a mouthful.

02-08-2015 09:36AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The two issues aren't even related? You might as well just have one megathread in AH and call it "Things I think we should all give a sh1t about equally or else we're not exemplary human beings and we should all be shot"...

Working title, it's a bit of a mouthful.

I don't think Black Lives Matter actually say that.

They simply noted the hysteria about the cat in the USA and contrasted it with the reaction to the killing of black people. It seems like a valid comparison to me.

Ave Sodalis · 02-08-2015 09:36AM

RDM_83 again wrote:

Yeah and ironically the focus on apex mammals only tangentially helps this, they are the "sexy" parts of conservation but its the less visible species like for example frogs, fish or flora that are making up the vast majority of losses. A strategy mainly focused on protecting lion populations in areas where there has been an increase in population (as that region has seen) is a very inefficient way of preventing other species extinction, a lion requires an extremely large continuous protected area, you will save maximum species by having a fragmented pattern of protected areas.

Yes but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be prevented. Not being outraged at the killing of a lion because it's not as endangered as other species is as ridiculous as people saying not to be outraged because it wasn't human.

02-08-2015 09:36AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

To give a flip side - can't find the article, but it did mention that the killing of an animal in a similar manner, who was past it's prime, raised $250,000, which was sent back into conservation for dozens of other animals.

Found it, it was a black Rhino and the rights sold for $350,000. I'd be interested to know if the other lion was the same? I mean, I'm assuming he paid a lot of money for the right to go on the hunt.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/permit-to-hunt-black-rhino-in-namibia-sells-for-350-000-1.1652640

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 09:37AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, that point was addressed pages back.

We know it doesn't have to be one or the other. But that doesn't prevent people contrasting the reaction to both.

It's called whataboutery.

At least you are being honest about your glibness and indifference. But to correct you, the thread is not limited to cat killing, it can also incorporate the reaction to the cat's death.

Yes, that point was addressed a few pages back too - the cats not dead. There's still no need for the whataboutery, as I said it simply comes across as insincere - that you seem to care as much as I do about both "issues".

Ave Sodalis · 02-08-2015 09:38AM

darkpagandeath wrote:

What Lion died ?

The original lion is still dead.

Deleted User wrote:

They simply noted the hysteria about the cat in the USA and contrasted it with the reaction to the killing of black people. It seems like a valid comparison to me.

I don't find it a valid comparison at all.

Hans Bricks · 02-08-2015 09:40AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But they are people.

Frankly I'd rather see lions wiped off the face of the earth than one black person, or person of any colour, wrongly killed.

Homosapiens. Big deal.

Frankly I would rather protect defenceless species rather than endure more ghetto protests and riots because some black fella was shot in another inner city project toilet bowl.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:41AM

sup_dude wrote: »

The original lion is still dead.

I don't find it a valid comparison at all.

The thread is not about that lion, This is a thread about a phantom dead lion. And people are still coming off outraged. Maybe people should post their lion death outrage in a thread about a dead lion.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:42AM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Homosapiens. Big deal.

Frankly I would rather protect defenceless species rather than endure more ghetto protests and riots because some black fella was shot in another inner city project toilet bowl.

Oh dear god..... :pac::pac::pac:

Hans Bricks · 02-08-2015 09:42AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What Lion died ?

Hoax I hear now ? I was speaking in general.

Ave Sodalis · 02-08-2015 09:42AM

darkpagandeath wrote:

The thread is not about that lion, This is a thread about a phantom dead lion. And people are still coming off outraged. Maybe people should post their lion death outrage in a thread about a dead lion.

You asked what lion was dead...

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:44AM

sup_dude wrote: »

You asked what lion was dead...

:pac:

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 09:44AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think Black Lives Matter actually say that.

They simply noted the hysteria about the cat in the USA and contrasted it with the reaction to the killing of black people. It seems like a valid comparison to me.

That's pure Kermit meme there - lion gets killed and people get upset, black people get killed and nobody seems to get upset... but that's none of my business :pac:

If the exact same people were being compared for their reactions to both issues, then they might have a point, but since they don't know that it's the exact same people only care about lion killing and don't care about black people killing, then they really don't have a point.

Are black people being hunted down on the American plains for sport? I don't think they are.

Hans Bricks · 02-08-2015 09:49AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Oh dear god..... :pac::pac::pac:

Lolololololololol ðŸ˜’

The big scary cat can deflect bullets now ? Wanna explain what exactly you're laughing at ??

Ave Sodalis · 02-08-2015 09:50AM

Hans Bricks wrote:

The big scary cat can deflect bullets now ? Wanna explain what exactly you're laughing at ??

He was the same on the other thread. His argument is to be as patronising as possible.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:53AM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Lolololololololol ðŸ˜’

The big scary cat can deflect bullets now ? Wanna explain what exactly you're laughing at ??

No, one made a statement about a lion being a defenceless species forgetting it was an apex predator.

sup_dude wrote: »

He was the same on the other thread. His argument is to be as patronising as possible.

If personal insults are the level of argument we are not going to get anywhere

Hans Bricks · 02-08-2015 10:00AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

No, one made a statement about a lion being a defenceless species forgetting it was an apex predator.

I think you're being deliberately naive if you think apex predators stand an iota of a chance against some dick hiding in a bush hundreds of yards away armed with a long ranged killing machine.

Samsgirl · 02-08-2015 10:01AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3182796/Relief-Jericho-brother-slain-lion-Cecil-ALIVE-despite-reports-victim-poachers.html

Now that it transpires that Jericho is alive, can this thread be closed? It has just descended into personal insults at this stage.

02-08-2015 10:01AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It's called whataboutery.

Yes, that point was addressed a few pages back too - the cats not dead. There's still no need for the whataboutery, as I said it simply comes across as insincere - that you seem to care as much as I do about both "issues".

Pointing to the difference in reaction to the death of a cat and a human is not whataboutery in comparing the reaction to the death of a cat and a human, as Black Lives Matter is doing.

So far you have done glibness, misrepresentation and now dismissal as whataboutery. Any other way of trying to avoid addressing the comparison they make?

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 10:03AM

Hans Bricks wrote: »

I think you're being deliberately naive if you think apex predators stand an iota of a chance against some dick hiding in a bush hundreds of yards away armed with a long ranged killing machine.

This thread is just becoming a parody of outrage now, Even though no actual lion died. :rolleyes:

02-08-2015 10:05AM

Samsgirl wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3182796/Relief-Jericho-brother-slain-lion-Cecil-ALIVE-despite-reports-victim-poachers.html

Now that it transpires that Jericho is alive, can this thread be closed? It has just descended into personal insults at this stage.

This is why I believe that threads regarding news should be locked within a few days, because it just descends into the usual bickering, bitching, and tired old arguments that happens once the initial news story has run its natural course.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 10:09AM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is why I believe that threads regarding news should be locked within a few days, because it just descends into the usual bickering, bitching, and tired old arguments that happens once the initial news story has run its natural course.

True, But their is no argument the lion is not dead. It's the perpetually outraged keeping things ticking over. :pac:

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 10:09AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Pointing to the difference in reaction to the death of a cat and a human is not whataboutery in comparing the reaction to the death of a cat and a human, as Black Lives Matter is doing.

So far you have done glibness, misrepresentation and now dismissal as whataboutery. Any other way of trying to avoid addressing the comparison they make?

What, you mean giving a completely disingenuous, invalid comparison any credibility whatsoever?

Well no, no I don't.

Jericho, Cecil's brother now shot dead

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