Jericho, Cecil's brother now shot dead

01-08-2015 10:28PM

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Conservationists have successfully brought back many magnificent animals from the brink of extinction yet the poachers and environmental degradation continue to destroy their habitat. I don't mean to preach but this killing has focused attention on the issues of animal rights. I gladly take the time to inform you of the great Wilderness we all share.

But species become extinct.

Not that I for one minute advocate hunting. On the contrary, as an avid hiker I'm into flora and fauna. Hunting seems such a vain pursuit and such a ridiculous way to spend money. But if animals become extinct, I can't pretend to get that upset, they join the ranks of T Rex and the Dodo and so on.

looksee · 01-08-2015 10:36PM

cena wrote: »

Anyone caught shooting these beautiful animals should get life in jail.

Whatabout people who shoot ugly animals?

NachoBusiness · 01-08-2015 10:36PM

Yes, people can care about two things at once, even many things at once, but the point is that many do not. Some of you may, good on you, but there are millions upon millions who don't and who instead regularly choose to only care about animal cruelty when it suits them or when the animal is pretty enough, intelligent enough. I am disgusted at what happened these lions, and any form of animal cruelty as it goes, but when a country like the United States starts expressing sadness on a level of this magnitude, regarding just two animals, it's not a choice to scoff in cynicism... it's fcuking instinctive. How could you not?

01-08-2015 10:40PM

looksee wrote: »

Whatabout people who shoot ugly animals?

Or hook them in their mouths, playing with them, dragging them out of their environment. But no one cares about the fish!

PowerToWait · 01-08-2015 11:05PM

Well at least people are talking about Zimbabwe again. Save the lion.

It's not like it's run by a demented dictator and military junta who have the majority of the population half starved despite it being once the 'bread basket of Africa'.

And fcuk off with the ****e of 'I can care about 2 things at once'. Bull****.

01-08-2015 11:11PM

PowerToWait wrote: »

And fcuk off with the ****e of 'I can care about 2 things at once'. Bull****.

Again, no one has suggested people can't care about two things at once.

What people in groups like Black Lives Matter have pointed out is that across white America people only seem to care about one issue.

And yes this thread can analyse reaction and not just consist of people beating their chest about a cat. Can we move on from the "there should be no criticism about the reaction" stuff?

One eyed Jack · 01-08-2015 11:16PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Again, no one has suggested people can't care about two things at once.

What people in groups like Black Lives Matter have pointed out is that across white America people only seem to care about one issue.

And yes this thread can analyse reaction and not just consist of people beating their chest about a cat. Can we move on from the "there should be no criticism about the reaction" stuff?

They don't at all see the irony in their own complaint, no?

Ave Sodalis · 01-08-2015 11:23PM

Deleted User wrote:

A very tragic situation, not alleviated in the slightest by the Facebook "let's sit down with them and play guitar and pretend we really care" brigade.

And definitely not helped by the "pfft you don't really care, you're just jumping on the bandwagon" and "why don't you think of *insert any other cause under then sun*, you shouldn't care about this" parades...

Ave Sodalis · 01-08-2015 11:26PM

Deleted User wrote:

But species become extinct.

Like I said on the other thread, we are entering a 6th mass extinction and this one is human caused. Species go extinct but what should take up to ten thousand years to go extinct will take up to a hundred. This is extreme, and since we are causing it, we have a duty to stop it.

01-08-2015 11:27PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

They don't at all see the irony in their own complaint, no?

I don't think there is any irony at all.

They merely point out that commentators like Jimmy Kimmel and others have expressed outrage at the killing of a big cat, and not expressed any similar emotions about the killing of real people who happen to be black.

Where is the irony?

KingBrian2 · 01-08-2015 11:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Again, no one has suggested people can't care about two things at once.

What people in groups like Black Lives Matter have pointed out is that across white America people only seem to care about one issue.

And yes this thread can analyse reaction and not just consist of people beating their chest about a cat. Can we move on from the "there should be no criticism about the reaction" stuff?

A 100 years ago killing Lions was fashionable. It was the done thing. Today we have come to regard it as a sign of decadence and ecological destruction. Wiping out an entire species can have profound changes on the habitat. This is undesirable even hunters agree on this.

You say what about Black Lives Matter, their are still people who don't believe they do matter. We still have not done a good job communicating a message that shows we are repulsed by the acts of violence committed against people of the Black community

One eyed Jack · 01-08-2015 11:37PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think there is any irony at all.

They merely point out that commentators like Jimmy Kimmel and others have expressed outrage at the killing of a big cat, and not expressed any similar emotions about the killing of real people who happen to be black.

Where is the irony?

So you've gone from "across white America" to one man, Jimmy Kimmel! Does Jimmy Kimmel represent white America? Jimmy Kimmel represents Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy Kimmel can bawl his eyes out on his own show for whatever reason he likes. It's his show.

The people behind "Black lives matter", I wonder who do they claim to represent, and what's their one single issue that they concern themselves with?

Hmm...

Deank · 01-08-2015 11:42PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So you've gone from "across white America" to one man, Jimmy Kimmel! Does Jimmy Kimmel represent white America? Jimmy Kimmel represents Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy Kimmel can bawl his eyes out on his own show for whatever reason he likes. It's his show.

The people behind "Black lives matter", I wonder who do they claim to represent, and what's their one single issue that they concern themselves with?

Hmm...

Needle stuck on 45 perchance

One eyed Jack · 01-08-2015 11:54PM

Deank wrote: »

Needle stuck on 45 perchance

Cheek!

Seriously though, I didn't even bother with the other thread, people care about animals, grand, I'm not able to get worked up about things beyond my control, so I'm not going to have too strong an opinion on the whole thing.

This thread was started about the lions brother being killed, and now it turns out he's not dead at all? It just goes to show that some people are idiots, but I'm not going to tar "all across white America" as if they're all idiots with a hybrid mind that only care about a lion and not a single whitey ever gave a damn about the black man.

Maury was helping them find out who de baby daddy for decades, and some of them still find something to complain about? Some people are just looking for a reason to be victimised, and some people are just looking for a reason to be sanctimonious.

The vast majority of people don't care about proving anything about themselves to anyone.

01-08-2015 11:55PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So you've gone from "across white America" to one man, Jimmy Kimmel! Does Jimmy Kimmel represent white America? Jimmy Kimmel represents Jimmy Kimmel, and Jimmy Kimmel can bawl his eyes out on his own show for whatever reason he likes. It's his show.

The people behind "Black lives matter", I wonder who do they claim to represent, and what's their one single issue that they concern themselves with?

Hmm...

Take it up with them, I'm not their spokesperson, I'm only repeating their pov.

Here is their contact details, let us know your response...

http://blacklivesmatter.com/contact/

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 12:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Take it up with them, I'm not their spokesperson, I'm only repeating their pov.

Here is their contact details, let us know your response...

http://blacklivesmatter.com/contact/

So you don't think black people's lives matter either?

The deception! :pac:

I figured as much anyway tbh that you were just shoving someone else's issue in there to appear morally superior to anyone else who didn't give a damn about the same things you purported to be trying to highlight.

Seems Jimmy isn't alone after all.

02-08-2015 12:06AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

So you don't think black people's lives matter either?

The deception! :pac:

I figured as much anyway tbh that you were just shoving someone else's issue in there to appear morally superior to anyone else who didn't give a damn about the same things you purported to be trying to highlight.

Seems Jimmy isn't alone after all.

No no, I think black peoples lives matter.

Cats? I'm on the fence. I won't pretend to be all worked up just cos it seems right on.

Deank · 02-08-2015 12:08AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Cheek!

Seriously though, I didn't even bother with the other thread, people care about animals, grand, I'm not able to get worked up about things beyond my control, so I'm not going to have too strong an opinion on the whole thing.

This thread was started about the lions brother being killed, and now it turns out he's not dead at all? It just goes to show that some people are idiots, but I'm not going to tar "all across white America" as if they're all idiots with a hybrid mind that only care about a lion and not a single whitey ever gave a damn about the black man.

Maury was helping them find out who de baby daddy for decades, and some of them still find something to complain about? Some people are just looking for a reason to be victimised, and some people are just looking for a reason to be sanctimonious.

The vast majority of people don't care about proving anything about themselves to anyone.

Ahahahaha....

People looking for stuff to be outraged about.

OMG, LOL, The outrage.

Tis awful honest.

Samaris · 02-08-2015 12:38AM

Yeah, the outpouring of despair and Dianaesque grief is thoroughly over the top.

The reason for it is not -just- an animal was killed. It's a symbol of how at this point, when the -vast- majority of us know that we have been merrily ****ing up this planet for the sake of profits (there's always some will argue blind to be blind), people will still pay tens of thousands to go kill one of the few of this apex species left. Not even for the rather shameful motive of personal profit, but for personal -fun-. It's pretty pathetic, to be honest.

I don't agree with an awful lot of things that happen, but to say that caring about poaching means that I don't care about people being killed is bull****. Unfortunately, there's very little that can be done about the latter. I don't think ISIS will respond to a strongly worded letter or a petition to ban murdering people, do you? However, a world-wide fuss about poaching lions may change the laws. Which is why it's worth having a world-wide fuss about it.

By the way, the US seems to be starting, finally, to kick up a fuss about the stupid level of killing that their police forces are doing. Lives do matter, skin colour doesn't. Unfortunately, I don't think we can manage to get a worldwide petition to ask the more dickish police forces to stop being dickish either.

One eyed Jack · 02-08-2015 12:53AM

Agree with all of the above - people care about whatever they care about and pointing out that they "don't seem to care as much" about an entirely unrelated issue is a completely futile exercise that just makes the complainant look spiteful and immature IMO. It might draw attention to their "cause" alright, if only just to tell them to piss off, which isn't really the sort of attention anyone wants... well. maybe some people do, martyrs and the like, but that's why they're called martyrs.

Letree · 02-08-2015 12:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think there is any irony at all.

They merely point out that commentators like Jimmy Kimmel and others have expressed outrage at the killing of a big cat, and not expressed any similar emotions about the killing of real people who happen to be black.

Where is the irony?

There is no danger of black people becoming extinct.

RDM_83 again · 02-08-2015 01:26AM

sup_dude wrote: »

Like I said on the other thread, we are entering a 6th mass extinction and this one is human caused. Species go extinct but what should take up to ten thousand years to go extinct will take up to a hundred. This is extreme, and since we are causing it, we have a duty to stop it.

Yeah and ironically the focus on apex mammals only tangentially helps this, they are the "sexy" parts of conservation but its the less visible species like for example frogs, fish or flora that are making up the vast majority of losses.
A strategy mainly focused on protecting lion populations in areas where there has been an increase in population (as that region has seen) is a very inefficient way of preventing other species extinction, a lion requires an extremely large continuous protected area, you will save maximum species by having a fragmented pattern of protected areas.

I'm not condoning this but killing a lion in Zimbabwe isn't a big conservation issue in the grand scheme of things (its a negative as its value is higher as an ecotourism resource than controlled hunting though).

Here's the redlist entry- note the way decline is very much regional
http://www.iucnredlist.org/details/15951/0

02-08-2015 08:23AM

Letree wrote: »

There is no danger of black people becoming extinct.

But they are people.

Frankly I'd rather see lions wiped off the face of the earth than one black person, or person of any colour, wrongly killed.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 08:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

But they are people.

Frankly I'd rather see lions wiped off the face of the earth than one black person, or person of any colour, wrongly killed.

I think stuff like the lion king has a lot to answer for in cases like this With people anthropomorphising Apex predators. Sad yes RIP … Jesus.

02-08-2015 08:29AM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Agree with all of the above - people care about whatever they care about and pointing out that they "don't seem to care as much" about an entirely unrelated issue is a completely futile exercise that just makes the complainant look spiteful and immature IMO. It might draw attention to their "cause" alright, if only just to tell them to piss off, which isn't really the sort of attention anyone wants... well. maybe some people do, martyrs and the like, but that's why they're called martyrs.

Again, I gave the contact details of Black Lives Matter above.

Please contact them with your point that they are spiteful, immature and martyrs, and come back and tell us the response.

02-08-2015 08:59AM

It's now being reported that this particular lion might still be alive.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cecil-s-brother-jericho-alive-and-well-says-researcher-after-reports-lion-was-killed-1.3176870

02-08-2015 09:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's now being reported that this particular lion might still be alive.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cecil-s-brother-jericho-alive-and-well-says-researcher-after-reports-lion-was-killed-1.3176870

All that wasted anguish.

Jimmy Kimmel can sleep again.

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:07AM

Deleted User wrote: »

All that wasted anguish.

Jimmy Kimmel can sleep again.

Problem is it's not wasted with them lot, That's their fix They get the high off being outraged and seen to be moral and right. It's kind of like that Jesus syndrome Wanting to cure all the ills in the world without actually doing anything more than venting on social media.

02-08-2015 09:10AM

You just know that Kimmel saw the attention that Jon Stewart got after his reactions to innocent people being killed and thought, "how can I try and get the same? Oh. Animals. People love animals".

darkpagandeath · 02-08-2015 09:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You just know that Kimmel saw the attention that Jon Stewart got after his reactions to innocent people being killed and thought, "how can I try and get the same? Oh. Animals. People love animals".

Aye Cute cuddly lions.

Jericho, Cecil's brother now shot dead

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