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The Saverio Bellante Trial: Italian Man Killed Landlord and Then Ate His Heart.

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  • #32
    bmm
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    The G.P.'s action of taking this patient off his medication resulted in this death. Simples !


  • #33
    thegreatgonzo
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    Tom was a close friend of a relative of mine and I met him a few times. He had a big personality and was a person you'd remember after meeting. He was also a really funny person and had a lot of friends who might not have shared his views on things but they never let these differences come between them. He even created a funny youtube video a few years ago that became really popular for a while and some of you might have seen.
    There are so many murders on the news and when it happens to someone you know it hits you how little you thought about the people involved in all those other stories, even when you were shocked by them. I still can't believe how his life was just snuffed out forever by someone he knew in his own house, i just can't.
    RIP Tom


  • #34
    Pretty fast
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    It's disgraceful to think this murderer has got away with it. Pleading insanity is the best thing since sliced bread.


  • #35
    DEFTLEFTHAND
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    It's disgraceful to think this murderer has got away with it. Pleading insanity is the best thing since sliced bread.

    If he is genuinely insane which the experts seem to think he is then the central mental hospital is the best place for him. He's still incarcerated and won't be getting released anytime soon. They could hold him there indefinitely if they don't see him fit to go back into society.


  • #36
    Pretty fast
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    Pleading insanity is a sneaky devious way of not facing reality. He got away with murder and should be in jail. The psychiatric (practitioners) community are proven out and out bluffers trying to justify their own existence. Complete bluffers the lot of them. This guy should be in jail.


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  • #37
    Nodin
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    The Black Oil wrote: »
    I remember this breaking at the time. The coverage by the Irish Independent (online, at least) was terribly sensationalist and that reflects a broader pattern in how it reports on crime. Breda O' Brien who knew him, touched on it in her column - The Irish Times was more measured when the death occurred, which she was grateful for.

    I was unaware of the graphic details until the last few days and what was splashed across the papers I saw in the supermarket today. Beyond words, really.

    Aside from Tom O' Gorman's family, it must have pretty horrific for the Gardai on scene and for Professor Marie Cassidy.

    ....its not exactly better this morning, by all accounts. "cannibal killer" is the headline in a few.


  • #38
    conorhal
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    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Feel really sorry for all involved. The italians meds being discontinued led to him relapsing into psychosis. But I certainly wouldnt say hed need permanent locking up. If they can find an alternative drug to treat him that actually works it would be quite harsh to permanently detain him. I think I heard he'd been diagnosed 10 years ago yet never killed anyone until 3 days of his meds. Truly horrible.

    I wonder has there been a through review of the doctors decision to take him off his medication? I'm not saying he's to blame for this, there may have been perfectly legitimate reasons for withdrawing Bellante's medication, changing it to address side effects etc. but if this is some sort of medical blunder then the doctor in question should be barred from practice.
    We have some of the most substandard care for psychiatric patients in the western world in this country.


  • #39
    Nodin
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Pleading insanity is a sneaky devious way of not facing reality. He got away with murder and should be in jail. The psychiatric (practitioners) community are proven out and out bluffers trying to justify their own existence. Complete bluffers the lot of them. This guy should be in jail.


    Yep. He's so sneaky and devious he's been mentally ill and on anti-psychotic medication for a decade before this murder took place.


  • #40
    Nodin
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    conorhal wrote: »
    I wonder has there been a through review of the doctors decision to take him off his medication? I'm not saying he's to blame for this, there may have been perfectly legitimate reasons for withdrawing Bellante's medication, changing it to address side effects etc. but if this is some sort of medical blunder then the doctor in question should be barred from practice.
    We have some of the most substandard care for psychiatric patients in the western world in this country.


    Certainly there would want to have been a good reason for taking him off it. Anyone I know with schizophrenia had their medication changed on occasion over the years, but they weren't taken off medication entirely.


  • #41
    LDN_Irish
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    The article says the medication was discontinued.

    Edit: sorry, article in OP doesn't say that. I read it somewhere else.


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  • #42
    smurgen
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    I feel sorry for everyone involved. The man who committed the murder is clearly mentally ill.he's also been suffering with his mental illness for over a decade . he's already in a prison of sorts it's just sad all round really.i hope the victim lost consciousness quickly and didn't suffer.


  • #43
    conorhal
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Certainly there would want to have been a good reason for taking him off it. Anyone I know with schizophrenia had their medication changed on occasion over the years, but they weren't taken off medication entirely.

    Indeed, people with chronic conditions often have their medication changed up and doses amended, but it's been a couple of years since this tragedy occurred now and I see no reference to any review of the decision or it's medical legitimacy or reasoning, which seems strange to me, unless you consider how the medical counsel tends to cover the arses of it's members.


  • #44
    Pretty fast
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Yep. He's so sneaky and devious he's been mentally ill and on anti-psychotic medication for a decade before this murder took place.

    Is that right? Who prescribed this medication for him? Some bluffer shrink is it? Some chancer with a degree is it? Are you getting the message now?

    People are idiots.


  • #45
    pq0n1ct4ve8zf5
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Is that right? Who prescribed this medication for him? Some bluffer shrink is it? Some chancer with a degree is it? Are you getting the message now?

    People are idiots.

    :confused: You sound paranoid yourself there


  • #46
    4zn76tysfajdxp
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Is that right? Who prescribed this medication for him? Some bluffer shrink is it? Some chancer with a degree is it? Are you getting the message now?

    People are idiots.

    Indeed.


  • #47
    Samaris
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Pleading insanity is a sneaky devious way of not facing reality. He got away with murder and should be in jail. The psychiatric (practitioners) community are proven out and out bluffers trying to justify their own existence. Complete bluffers the lot of them. This guy should be in jail.

    Proven, eh? Go on then, you've made the assertion, now back it up. Where is it proven that all psychiatric practitioners are chancers and there's no such thing as mental illness?


  • #48
    Bongalongherb
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    It's disgraceful to think this murderer has got away with it. Pleading insanity is the best thing since sliced bread.

    The guy didn't just wake up one day feeling a bit peckish and decided that he would kill a person and then decide to eat his heart. That person has serious mental health issues to do such a thing. I will never understand what could make a man do this mind boggling act, sane or insane.

    What goes on in this persons mind ? did god or a voice tell him to do it ? hearing voices telling/ordering him to do it. If I started hearing voices telling me to kill that person there and eat his heart, I'd tell the voices to fcuk-off and tell them they are crazy, it wouldn't be hard to say that would it, but that guy... completely insane, I don't think I'll ever be able to understand those kinds of people.


  • #49
    Pretty fast
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    Do a little reading on R.D Laing and his social experiment and you'll get your eyes open. Watch a documentary called "The Trap" by a guy called Curtis.


  • #50
    Nodin
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Is that right? Who prescribed this medication for him? Some bluffer shrink is it? Some chancer with a degree is it? Are you getting the message now?

    If the message is that you are without much notion of such matters, yes indeed, getting it loud and clear.


  • #51
    Pretty fast
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    Nodin wrote: »
    If the message is that you are without much notion of such matters, yes indeed, getting it loud and clear.

    When you get a little older son and get to see a little of the world and how it works you might understand then. You're clearly are very nieve. Good luck to you.


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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Do a little reading on R.D Laing and his social experiment and you'll get your eyes open. Watch a documentary called "The Trap" by a guy called Curtis.

    Eh? Laing is terrifically interesting and all, and there's a lot to be said for his work, but he didn't deny the existence of mental illness; he was a psychiatrist who wanted to change how mental illness is treated! He considered that current treatments are to prison-like.

    Laing might have put Saverio Bellante creating paintings on a beautiful hippie colony in Scotland or some similarly openminded setting... he certainly wouldn't have locked him in Mountjoy Prison!

    I suspect you must have googled anti-psychiatry and got RD Laing's name from there, because there's absolutely no sensible basis for mentioning Laing in support of what you're suggesting.

    YOU need to read RD Laing's works.


  • #53
    Nodin
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    When you get a little older son and get to see a little of the world and how it works you might understand then. You're clearly are very nieve. Good luck to you.

    Like in 5 years when I hit 50? Will it come to me in the form of a revelation on the big day?


  • #54
    Nodin
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    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    Eh? Laing is terrifically interesting and all, and there's a lot to be said for his work, but he didn't deny the existence of mental illness; he was a psychiatrist who wanted to change how mental illness is treated! He considered that current treatments are to prison-like.

    Laing might have put Saverio Bellante creating paintings on a beautiful hippie colony in Scotland or some similarly openminded setting... he certainly wouldn't have locked him in Mountjoy Prison!

    I suspect you must have googled anti-psychiatry and got RD Laing's name from there, because there's absolutely no sensible basis for mentioning Laing in support of what you're suggesting.

    YOU need to read RD Laing's works.

    The documentary by Mr Curtis doesn't actually back what he's saying either, if I recall correctly. I'm fairly certain it didn't mention schizophrenia, bipolar or any such disorder, nor did it dismiss psychiatry or medical treatment with drugs in total.


  • #55
    Billy86
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    When you get a little older son and get to see a little of the world and how it works you might understand then. You're clearly are very nieve. Good luck to you.

    Now I may well be wrong on this because I just jumped in on this page... but are you really trying to claim that the whole psychiatric and psychological field are 'bluffers' who petty much just make whatever they want up as they go and who are no more than frauds... or have I missed something?


  • #56
    Nodin
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Now I may well be wrong on this because I just jumped in on this page... but are you really trying to claim that the whole psychiatric and psychological field are 'bluffers' who petty much just make whatever they want up as they go and who are no more than frauds... or have I missed something?

    Going on post 37, I'd say you have it exactly.


  • #57
    Pretty fast
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    Billy86 wrote: »
    Now I may well be wrong on this because I just jumped in on this page... but are you really trying to claim that the whole psychiatric and psychological field are 'bluffers' who petty much just make whatever they want up as they go and who are no more than frauds... or have I missed something?

    Yes. One in ten maybe have an insight but the rest are complete bluffers. COMPLETE and TOTAL BLUFFERS.

    In fact they are all bluffers.


  • #58
    Billy86
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Yes. One in ten maybe have an insight but the rest are complete bluffers. COMPLETE and TOTAL BLUFFERS.

    In fact they are all bluffers.

    And why do you believe this?


  • #59
    [Deleted User]
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    Pretty fast wrote: »
    Yes. One in ten maybe have an insight but the rest are complete bluffers. COMPLETE and TOTAL BLUFFERS.

    In fact they are all bluffers.
    I love how you changed your mind between opening that reply and closing it.

    Are you also including as a bluffer the psychiatrist RD Laing whom you earlier relied on as part of your 'vision'?


  • #60
    Harry Palmr
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    Oh dear someone is trying to turn this thread into a dismal personal crusade....


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  • #61
    Pretty fast
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    Laing exposed the fickle nature of psychiatry.

    Bluffers.


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