Police investigate as youths black up...

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 02:10AM

And that is why racism exists. People making too big a deal about everything.

Morgan Freeman was asked a question on how to stop racism. His answer was to stop talking about it.

If a black person calls another black person the N word and goes to the garda station to complain nothing will be done. If a white person calls a black person the N word he will probably be arrested or questioned.

If black person calls a white person a white prick nothing will be done and vice versa the white person would be arrested.

Its a crazy problem really. I see no difference in calling someone the N word as calling someone fat, thin, ugly, ginger, small, midget etc. If you went to the Garda station and said someone called you ugly or something the garda would laugh at you. If a black person went to the garda station and said someone called them the N word the person would be brought in for questioning and probably arrested.

Its a crazy crazy subject.

YFlyer · 31-07-2015 02:15AM

I love an ice cream now.

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 02:19AM

YFlyer wrote: »

I love an ice cream now.

chocolate flavor?

Richard Hillman · 31-07-2015 02:31AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

The "perpetually offended" are at it again. How do these people function when they are constantly offended?

The found the weapon of Faux-Outrage. It is the first time in their lives they have had any power and have now abused it to try and manipulate people.

The people that apologise for nothing are just as bad.

galljga1 · 31-07-2015 02:47AM

catsbanter wrote: »

And that is why racism exists. People making too big a deal about everything.

Morgan Freeman was asked a question on how to stop racism. His answer was to stop talking about it.

If a black person calls another black person the N word and goes to the garda station to complain nothing will be done. If a white person calls a black person the N word he will probably be arrested or questioned.

If black person calls a white person a white prick nothing will be done and vice versa the white person would be arrested.

Its a crazy problem really. I see no difference in calling someone the N word as calling someone fat, thin, ugly, ginger, small, midget etc. If you went to the Garda station and said someone called you ugly or something the garda would laugh at you. If a black person went to the garda station and said someone called them the N word the person would be brought in for questioning and probably arrested.

Its a crazy crazy subject.

The high-lighted part is a bit hard to understand. If a white person calls a black person a white prick, they will be arrested? Some new form of confused reverse racism?

Badly Drunk Boy · 31-07-2015 03:25AM

YFlyer wrote: »

I love an ice cream now.

A Golly Bar, I'd say. They had the golliwog man on the packaging until 1992, and then a few years later, changed the name. For some strange reason.

31-07-2015 07:37AM

catsbanter wrote: »

And that is why racism exists. People making too big a deal about everything.

Morgan Freeman was asked a question on how to stop racism. His answer was to stop talking about it.

If a black person calls another black person the N word and goes to the garda station to complain nothing will be done. If a white person calls a black person the N word he will probably be arrested or questioned.

If black person calls a white person a white prick nothing will be done and vice versa the white person would be arrested.

Its a crazy problem really. I see no difference in calling someone the N word as calling someone fat, thin, ugly, ginger, small, midget etc. If you went to the Garda station and said someone called you ugly or something the garda would laugh at you. If a black person went to the garda station and said someone called them the N word the person would be brought in for questioning and probably arrested.

Its a crazy crazy subject.

You don't really get the cultural and historical issues that surround racism, do you?

Being called a N and being called ugly are not the exact same at all. But then again if in the past few hundred years people were enslaved and lynched because they were ugly, bought and sold by beautiful people, treated like animals etc. and there were trigger words and images that invoked that subjugation, then maybe it would be remotely comparable.

None of which is to say that these individuals should be the subject of a police investigation, but let's not pretend racism is not an issue.

jester77 · 31-07-2015 07:44AM

It's no Zwarte Piet

inforfun · 31-07-2015 11:42AM

jester77 wrote: »

It's no Zwarte Piet

Oh please.... dont get me started on that one. I ll be here for a week.

Read the entire article linked in the OP, hoping at 1 point the police got involved because the collection was done and Jackson 5 kept the money themselves.

Nope, police got involved because face paint.

galljga1 · 31-07-2015 12:16PM

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

A Golly Bar, I'd say. They had the golliwog man on the packaging until 1992, and then a few years later, changed the name. For some strange reason.

Anyone remember the Crolly Doll.
Rumour has it they were going to launch a black doll.
Guess what they were going to call it.

pickarooney · 31-07-2015 03:53PM

The Anagry African American doll?

Yakult · 31-07-2015 04:02PM

razorblunt wrote: »

If this means that White Chicks is never, ever shown on tv again, then I, for one am all for it!

+1

I'm white and find that film racist

*insert rolled eyes smilie here*

ToddyDoody · 31-07-2015 04:15PM

I'd like to dress up as a struggling negro some day, just to open my mind. A bit like UKIP - NOT racist.

Nodin · 31-07-2015 04:16PM

ToddyDoody wrote: »

I'd like to dress up as a struggling negro some day, just to open my mind.

Don't do it in the states for fecks sake. If you struggle at all they'll just shoot ye.

byhookorbycrook · 31-07-2015 04:54PM

So if a black person "whited up" is that a crime too?

hatrickpatrick · 31-07-2015 06:15PM

K4t wrote: »

Nothing against the PC brigade personally, a lot of it is common sense, but things do become entirely sinister when police investigate becomes the norm.

I don't mind people holding PC views, but personally I believe this crosses the line when they demand that people are actually punished for holding or airing things which are "offensive". Calling out and criticising people for speech you find objectionable is fine, but this new breed of PC brigader demands firings / jailings / boycotts / general life ruination for anyone who says something they disagree with for political reasons. F*ck that.

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 08:42PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You don't really get the cultural and historical issues that surround racism, do you?

Being called a N and being called ugly are not the exact same at all. But then again if in the past few hundred years people were enslaved and lynched because they were ugly, bought and sold by beautiful people, treated like animals etc. and there were trigger words and images that invoked that subjugation, then maybe it would be remotely comparable.

None of which is to say that these individuals should be the subject of a police investigation, but let's not pretend racism is not an issue.

I understand very well the culture and historical issues. Isnt it time to stop falling back on that and using it an excuse. Been called the N word and been called ugly is still the same in my eyes as picking on physical appearance.

31-07-2015 09:54PM

catsbanter wrote: »

I understand very well the culture and historical issues. Isnt it time to stop falling back on that and using it an excuse. Been called the N word and been called ugly is still the same in my eyes as picking on physical appearance.

Well, most of the western world disagrees. So in country after country discrimination and abuse based on race, religion, gender etc. can be proscribed, because people understand the cultural and historical issues behind racism, homophobia etc., whereas differentiation based on beauty isn't.

Maybe some day some society will try your...unusual approach?

Cold War Kid · 31-07-2015 10:09PM

It's just doing something to look like someone famous - like putting on a blonde wig to look like Marilyn Monroe.

Reading into it beyond that is emphasising racial difference rather than just not giving a sh-t about it.

shampoosuicide · 31-07-2015 10:29PM

catsbanter wrote: »

And that is why racism exists. People making too big a deal about everything.

Morgan Freeman was asked a question on how to stop racism. His answer was to stop talking about it.

If a black person calls another black person the N word and goes to the garda station to complain nothing will be done. If a white person calls a black person the N word he will probably be arrested or questioned.

If black person calls a white person a white prick nothing will be done and vice versa the white person would be arrested.

Its a crazy problem really. I see no difference in calling someone the N word as calling someone fat, thin, ugly, ginger, small, midget etc. If you went to the Garda station and said someone called you ugly or something the garda would laugh at you. If a black person went to the garda station and said someone called them the N word the person would be brought in for questioning and probably arrested.

Its a crazy crazy subject.

....wow.

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 10:56PM

shampoosuicide wrote: »

....wow.

Care to elaborate?

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 10:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, most of the western world disagrees. So in country after country discrimination and abuse based on race, religion, gender etc. can be proscribed, because people understand the cultural and historical issues behind racism, homophobia etc., whereas differentiation based on beauty isn't.

Maybe some day some society will try your...unusual approach?

I think Morgan Freeman sums up my views perfectly.

youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

31-07-2015 11:15PM

catsbanter wrote: »

I think Morgan Freeman sums up my views perfectly.

youtube.com/watch?v=z2d2SzRZvsQ

The link doesn't work.

Does he actually say that using the N word is the exact same as calling someone ugly or calling someone a "white prick", as you said? Could you quote what he says to set that out?

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 11:22PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The link doesn't work.

Does he actually say that using the N word is the exact same as calling someone ugly or calling someone a "white prick", as you said? Could you quote what he says to set that out?

Link works fine, need to copy and paste it as im a newbie i cant post links.

Luke92 · 31-07-2015 11:26PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

So if a black person "whited up" is that a crime too?

Don't be silly. That's just harmless fun.

Richard Hillman · 31-07-2015 11:29PM

I was watching the cricket today. A group of people came dressed up as the Sky Sports commentary team, Nasser Hussein, David Gower, Ian Botham, Shane Warne etc. Nobody came dressed up as Michael Holding (A black Jamaican) who was on commentary at the time and a regular with Sky. When the other commentator mentioned it, Holding said "they probably didnt have enough black polish". Now imagine the furore if somebody did actually do it. I doubt they would have even made it into the ground.

During Halloween last year a person dressed up as Chris Kamara (A black football pundit) with a very tanned face. The person posted it on Twitter and sent it to Kamara. He loved it but there were tons of people getting offended on his behalf.

If you are "blacking up" in tribute of somebody, then it cannot be offensive. "Golliwogs" on the other hand can be.

31-07-2015 11:29PM

catsbanter wrote: »

Link works fine, need to copy and paste it as im a newbie i cant post links.

Cut and pasted it.

And it says nothing like what you say.

At no stage in that entire clip does he say that use of the N word is the same as calling someone ugly, as you say.

Nowhere does he even refer to the comparisons you make, that racism is the same as calling someone fat, thin, ginger etc.

At no stage does he say that use of the N word is the same as use of your "white prick" phrase.

He says that the best way of getting rid of racism (implying that clearly he thinks it is wrong) is to ignore it, so in that sense the reaction should be no different to the use of "white man".

Do you understand his position, and your own? They are not in the least alike.

galljga1 · 31-07-2015 11:33PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I was watching the cricket today. A group of people came dressed up as the Sky Sports commentary team, Nasser Hussein, David Gower, Ian Botham, Shane Warne etc. Nobody came dressed up as Michael Holding (A black Jamaican) who was on commentary at the time and a regular with Sky. When the other commentator mentioned it, Holding said "they probably didnt have enough black polish". Now imagine the furore if somebody did actually do it. I doubt they would have even made it into the ground.

During Halloween last year a person dressed up as Chris Kamara (A black football pundit) with a very tanned face. The person posted it on Twitter and sent it to Kamara. He loved it but there were tons of people getting offended on his behalf.

If you are "blacking up" in tribute of somebody, then it cannot be offensive. "Golliwogs" on the other hand can be.

“The Bowler’s Holding, the Batsman’s Willey”.

catsbanter · 31-07-2015 11:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Cut and pasted it.

And it says nothing like what you say.

At no stage in that entire clip does he say that use of the N word is the same as calling someone ugly, as you say.

Nowhere does he even refer to the comparisons you make, that racism is the same as calling someone fat, thin, ginger etc.

At no stage does he say that use of the N word is the same as use of your "white prick" phrase.

He says that the best way of getting rid of racism (implying that clearly he thinks it is wrong) is to ignore it, so in that sense the reaction should be no different to the use of "white man".

Do you understand his position, and your own? They are not in the least alike.

Never said he said any of that

31-07-2015 11:48PM

catsbanter wrote: »

Never said he said any of that

Ah.

So when you said Morgan Freeman sums up your views perfectly, you meant he doesn't sum up your views at all and you have views that he never expressed in the clip you used to illustrate that he sums up your views perfectly?

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