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Planning & Tall Buildings in Dublin

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    #242
    brownbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭brownbeard


    http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/wilbur-ross-backs-johnny-ronan-in-130m-skyscraper-deal-31386840.html

    Well look who it is...


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    #243
    Schadenfreudia
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    brownbeard wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/business/commercial-property/wilbur-ross-backs-johnny-ronan-in-130m-skyscraper-deal-31386840.html

    Well look who it is...

    22 storeys near the heart of the old city - this should start a bit of fun when the usual suspects get their outrage in gear! :rolleyes:


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    #244
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Most European Cities generally don't have an issue mixing old and new in their historic core

    NATKgC8.jpg

    For some reason we've gotten it into our heads that we musn't have modernity in eyeshot of Merrion Square.


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    #245
    Zhane
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Most European Cities generally don't have an issue mixing old and new in their historic core

    NATKgC8.jpg

    For some reason we've gotten it into our heads that we musn't have modernity in eyeshot of Merrion Square.

    London is a fantastic city for mixed architecture. Its a shame we can't aspire to it.


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    #246
    Alun
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    The thing is though, that I think it works best when there's a really strong contrast between the two, i.e. an ultra-modern design rather than a watered down one that somehow tries to "fit in" by incorporating design elements from the buildings around it, which I guess isn't going to happen.


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    #247
    Ren2k7
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    Zhane wrote: »
    London is a fantastic city for mixed architecture. Its a shame we can't aspire to it.

    We wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of some Georgian building eh? :rolleyes:


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    #248
    Zhane
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    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    We wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of some Georgian building eh? :rolleyes:

    Oh heavens no. :rolleyes:


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    #249
    cgcsb
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    Alun wrote: »
    The thing is though, that I think it works best when there's a really strong contrast between the two, i.e. an ultra-modern design rather than a watered down one that somehow tries to "fit in" by incorporating design elements from the buildings around it, which I guess isn't going to happen.

    Agreed some of that 90's red brick faux georgian stuff is mank.
    Although later attempts at faux georgian look really well, Parnell Square East for example.


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    #250
    Schadenfreudia
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Agreed some of that 90's red brick faux georgian stuff is mank.
    Although later attempts at faux georgian look really well, Parnell Square East for example.

    I also like that late 70s building at Leeson St bridge.

    If you want to "fit-in" then replicate - and ignore the "Disneyland" sneers and cheap "pastiche" jibes.

    The guys who built the Four Courts weren't bothered that they were building a "pastiche" of Greek/Roman buildings.

    And if you want a modern building - make it stand out, not fit in!


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    #251
    crushproof
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    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    22 storeys near the heart of the old city - this should start a bit of fun when the usual suspects get their outrage in gear! :rolleyes:

    This plan is still rattling along...are there any images available at all? Hopefully they don't go with the plan from the early 2000's as that would be wel outdated by now.


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    #252
    cgcsb
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    Johnny Ronan is getting involved afaik


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    #253
    brownbeard
    Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭brownbeard


    cgcsb wrote: »
    Johnny Ronan is getting involved afaik
    His face is the pic for the article.


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    #254
    MJohnston
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    Speaking purely from an architectural standpoint (because the political side is a minefield I don't want to enter), Ronan is surely one of the better options to be involved here - CCD and Barrow Street are great modern buildings, imo.


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    #255
    crushproof
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    Speaking purely from an architectural standpoint (because the political side is a minefield I don't want to enter), Ronan is surely one of the better options to be involved here - CCD and Barrow Street are great modern buildings, imo.

    Wouldn't agree fully with the CCD. Frontage yes, but the huge bare wall facing out onto the canal is ridiculous. They could have done so much more with it.


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    #256
    Lord Arsraptor
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    cgcsb wrote: »
    Most European Cities generally don't have an issue mixing old and new in their historic core

    Paris keeps them very separate - not sure which one I'd advocate though.

    paris_1.jpg


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    #257
    Schadenfreudia
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    Lord Arsraptor wrote: »
    Paris keeps them very separate - not sure which one I'd advocate though.

    http://cdni.wired.co.uk/1240x826/o_r/paris_1.jpg

    I'd definitely go with Paris. They don't seem to worry about the "vista" from some obscure angles in the core being ruined by the distant new buildings.

    Like the anti-tall buildings at Heuston/Docklands brigade do here.

    There is even an active anti-tall buildings in Sandyford lobby. ffs.


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    #258
    cgcsb
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    The Paris/Amsterdam model of having the main office hub outside the City is a bit of a community disaster, it means that Amsterdam Zuid and La Defense are DEAD after 6pm and it also means people must commute to these areas which puts a greater strain on the transport system. We sould encourage multi use communities and walking/cycling short distance commutes.


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    #259
    1huge1
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    I think we can have some sort of mixture of the two in Dublin though, we have a great opportunity with the north docklands, the area between PWC and the 3 Arena, there is still loads of land there to develop, but if we have a mixture of residential/commercial/hotels/concert venues/restaurants etc we won't have to worry about the issue of it being dead after 6pm as you say, while also not being anywhere in eyesight of the "precious" georgian dublin.

    This will take some clever planning, and with the exception of the lack of high rise, I think the Grand Canal Dock area has done a good job of mixing commercial, residential and nightlife.


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    #260
    Ren2k7
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    Frankfurt has the right idea with a built UP city core comprising high rise scattered among low rise:

    001_56_GERMANY_Frankfurt-am-Main_412.JPG

    No worries about shadows being cast, sightlines and other stupidity.


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    #261
    Schadenfreudia
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    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    Frankfurt has the right idea with a built UP city core comprising high rise scattered among low rise.

    No worries about shadows being cast, sightlines and other stupidity.

    Yes but seriously....Frankfurt? No great vistas to ruin!


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    #262
    1huge1
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    Agreed, those buildings in Frankfurt were just replacing horrid 1950s style apartments thrown up after the war.


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    #263
    Ren2k7
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    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    Yes but seriously....Frankfurt? No great vistas to ruin!

    The RAF did the Germans a big favour.


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    #264
    Schadenfreudia
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    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    The RAF did the Germans a big favour.

    Surely it was better before that?

    I've often wondered what would have remained of "Georgian Dublin" had we taken the advice of the "belted earls" and joined WW2! :D


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    #265
    loyatemu
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    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    The RAF did the Germans a big favour.

    really hope your being ironic.


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    #266
    Zebra3
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    Ren2k7 wrote: »
    The RAF did the Germans a big favour.

    Yeah, the Germans were delighted.

    http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm

    :rolleyes:


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    #267
    Ren2k7
    Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭Ren2k7


    loyatemu wrote: »
    really hope your being ironic.

    Hey, at least Germans don't have to worry about conservationists making nuisances of themselves. :pac:


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    #268
    FreudianSlippers
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    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Portland_and_Mt_Hood.jpg

    Portland does it quite well and they have real views to worry about.


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    #269
    D.L.R.
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    Schadenfreudia wrote: »
    Surely it was better before that?

    I've often wondered what would have remained of "Georgian Dublin" had we taken the advice of the "belted earls" and joined WW2! :D

    Sure the Irish State made up for that in the 60s when they went on their own little blitzkrieg.


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    #270
    MJohnston
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    FreudianSlippers wrote: »

    Portland does it quite well and they have real views to worry about.

    Standard US city though - nearly every building in that photo is ugly as sin


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    #271
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Portland doesn't have an historic core in all fairness now.


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