"Britain at the Bookies"

okidoki987 · 22-07-2015 12:38pm #1

BBC1 doing a 3 part documentary about bookies in the UK, 1st episode was Monday night (Repeated 12.05am tonight).

1st episode was a "PR" documentary mostly about Coral and the different aspects of the industry.
Got a look at the Coral trading room and the traders, not a massive number of traders considering the amount of markets they do.

There was a look at a chronic gambler who was addicted to the slot machines.
He was unemployed, on the social and got £147 every 2 weeks.
Played roulette on the machines called FOBT for a stake for £9 on every spin on odds or evens!
He ended up with only £5 to last him 14 days until the next cheque from the social arrived. :eek:.
He has since got a job as a chief and has given up gambling.

Next bloke was a professional gambler who ended up being banned/closed by most of the bookies.
Over 50% of the shops profits are now on FOBT's!
That is an astonishing number:eek:.

They spent a lot of the time following a manager of a couple of shops in Huddersfield.
Nothing exciting apart from some bloke in a shop who had been barred and looked like he going to kick off but didn't.

Best bit of the programme was Simon the PR man who thought up the offer of "Man Utd to win a corner at 5/1" to max stake of £5 for new accounts, basically giving people a free £25.
They opened 3,000 new accounts in 10 minutes :eek:.

Next week (9pm Monday) is all about the Saturday afternoon battle between punter and bookmaker.

Gregk961 · 25-07-2015 11:04am

okidoki987 wrote: »

BBC1 doing a 3 part documentary about bookies in the UK, 1st episode was Monday night (Repeated 12.05am tonight).

1st episode was a "PR" documentary mostly about Coral and the different aspects of the industry.
Got a look at the Coral trading room and the traders, not a massive number of traders considering the amount of markets they do.

There was a look at a chronic gambler who was addicted to the slot machines.
He was unemployed, on the social and got £147 every 2 weeks.
Played roulette on the machines called FOBT for a stake for £9 on every spin on odds or evens!
He ended up with only £5 to last him 14 days until the next cheque from the social arrived. :eek:.
He has since got a job as a chief and has given up gambling.

Next bloke was a professional gambler who ended up being banned/closed by most of the bookies.
Over 50% of the shops profits are now on FOBT's!
That is an astonishing number:eek:.

They spent a lot of the time following a manager of a couple of shops in Huddersfield.
Nothing exciting apart from some bloke in a shop who had been barred and looked like he going to kick off but didn't.

Best bit of the programme was Simon the PR man who thought up the offer of "Man Utd to win a corner at 5/1" to max stake of £5 for new accounts, basically giving people a free £25.
They opened 3,000 new accounts in 10 minutes :eek:.

Next week (9pm Monday) is all about the Saturday afternoon battle between punter and bookmaker.

Just caught up with this during the week and I thought it was very good. Nothing that we didn't know in there but the personal stories were the kicker. Was honestly rooting for the gambling addict walking past the betting shops on his way to the ATM. Very sad story, just a lonely man with a problem.

Looking forward to the next part.

Cartel Mike · 25-07-2015 5:13pm

There definitely always seems to be a big correlation between gambling & lonliness.

Very good program .

The guy who made alot also seemed to have alot to start with but the common factor again seemed to be lonliness.

Gregk961 · 25-07-2015 6:47pm

Cartel Mike wrote: »

There definitely always seems to be a big correlation between gambling & lonliness.

Very good program .

The guy who made alot also seemed to have alot to start with but the common factor again seemed to be lonliness.

One problem I actually had with it was that the guy who was a succesful/non compulsive gambler was a professional by nature whereas the unemployed dole claimer was obviously a compulsive loser at gambling as well. Pretty easy to paint the picture that way but it comes from all walks of life.

Arrow in the Knee · 25-07-2015 7:11pm

I would like them to go into more detail about the traders at Coral or another bookmaker.

Also when one of the traders was on the phone he said supposedly to the shop assistant "do you recognise him 'the bettor' " while talking about a bet.

The trading room was fairly quiet but it was probably in the morning.

The Engineer making a Sizeable profit from MOTM bets in Rugby or other markets.

I was surprised how some of the punters in the shop's were talkative and frank on camera.

What was that Coral shop's profit for the week and is that the usual profit per betting shop?

the groutch · 25-07-2015 7:43pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

There was a look at a chronic gambler who was addicted to the slot machines.
He was unemployed, on the social and got £147 every 2 weeks.
Played roulette on the machines called FOBT for a stake for £9 on every spin on odds or evens!
He ended up with only £5 to last him 14 days until the next cheque from the social arrived. :eek:.

Over 50% of the shops profits are now on FOBT's!
That is an astonishing number:eek:.

FOBTs are pure evil, hopefully they're never legalised over here.

JONJO THE MISER · 25-07-2015 7:49pm

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

Also when one of the traders was on the phone he said supposedly to the shop assistant "do you recognise him 'the bettor' " while talking about a bet.
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All the big bookies do this if you want big bets or bet on obscure markets, they want to know if your a regular losing customer or a person who knows what there doing, the only time i bet in the high street bookies now is for political bets and im cut to nothing, they would have a picture of me somewhere in head office taken from cctv and a nickname on me and comments under it either to take any bet or dont take any bets depending if your a winner or loser they would have thousands of other big punters pictures as well.
Of course this is not legal from a data protection point of view but no one ever seems to investigate this.

okidoki987 · 26-07-2015 4:46pm

the only time i bet in the high street bookies now is for political bets and im cut to nothing, they would have a picture of me somewhere in head office taken from cctv and a nickname on me and comments under it either to take any bet or dont take any bets depending if your a winner or loser they would have thousands of other big punters pictures as well.

Easier to get someone you know to place the bet for you?

Arrow in the Knee · 26-07-2015 4:52pm

Tomorrow 9pm
2nd Episode Punter vs Bookie

"The battle between punter and bookie plays out over one big race day in Doncaster."

I hope its not going to be all at the track.

JONJO THE MISER · 26-07-2015 6:09pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Easier to get someone you know to place the bet for you?

Yeah i do that, but they take peanuts now on Politics with P.P, cut the odds to where there is no value with a few hundred and Ladbrokes which were the best with some of the value on there political betting no longer do as many markets on it.
To be honest that is all i bet on with the bookies on the high street now, do all my betting with matchbook and Pinnacle who wont cut or ban you for winning.

okidoki987 · 27-07-2015 7:28pm

Reminder it's on tonight at 9pm.

Arrow in the Knee · 27-07-2015 8:15pm

okidoki987 wrote: »

Reminder it's on tonight at 9pm.

I'm going to have to watch it tomorrow night.

Anybody watching it tonight, could you give a review of it?
That would be great.

fuzzydunlop85 · 27-07-2015 10:06pm

Arrow in the Knee wrote: »

I'm going to have to watch it tomorrow night.

Anybody watching it tonight, could you give a review of it?
That would be great.

Missed the first episode but enjoyed that. Good insight into coral trading room on a busy Saturday at Doncaster and punters/bookies at the track. Also follow racing post golf tipster Steve Palmer as he struggles to build up his bankroll with a baby on the way.

The_Kew_Tour · 28-07-2015 2:02am

Watched the 1st episode today, hope catch other when up on YouTube.

That Poor lad on benefits you could see his weight loss even in the 2 weeks. Hope he has kept that Chef job. Those Fixed odds machines are the death of addictive gamblers over in UK.

I remember when I went to College over in Wales about 9-10 years ago got bit addicted to them myself. Problem was I won at the start and then thought this was easy. Must have lost about £300 which for student can be lot of money(was equipment of about 450e at time). Was actually wake up call for me when came home to Ireland.

Now I enjoy betting and can actually wait months for bets on certain Sports it really was a blessing and never bet what I cannot afford. But for so many its runied lives. That Benefits chap, must be thousands like him, just barely surviving. To win £3k and blow it the same day, that's when it's beyond control.

The Coral manager seems like nice man but at same time I did not like his smugness in seeing Punters lose or seeing people lose jobs. Even when he was asked the Question on Punters I felt he gave a answer he wanted the public to hear rather then his honest opinion. He just reminds me of few Managers in Shops. I understand they have a Shop to run etc, but they could be more professional.

okidoki987 · 28-07-2015 12:37pm

Last night's episode was all about Punter v Bookie and better than the first one.
The followed Steve Palmer around who writes for the RP and is a golf betting "advisor" and has had some good results in the past but one thing that amazed me is how "little" he bets, stake wise, single figures at times.
Thought the couple at the races had some pretty impressive results considering how they picked some of their horses :eek:.
Coral trading room was pretty impressive but didn't get to see too much about how it operates, only what they wanted you to see.
Strange they would be able to back with another bookie though?
Unless they did it in a shop, would have thought the opposition wouldn't let them back with them?
Fair dues to the punter who got £5k on the Fav at Donnie at 2/1 (Elm Park), last time I tried I couldn't get £50 on a 5/4 shot with them.
Punters in the shops are probably the same you would see in any high street bookie, UK or Ireland, all trying to win using whatever means they can. On Course Bookie "only" needed to make £400 per race to break even so would assume his fixed costs are around £2500 per meeting?
Sounds a lot considering he only had 2 other staff.
In the race where the owner backed the winner at 18/1 (£20 e/w :eek:

), the bookie said it would cost him £500 if it won.
He must have either taken nothing on the fav or nothing else of note on the race as the winner was the outside of 5 or 6 horses.

Next weeks will be an eye opener to anyone who hasn't seen a FOBT in action.
Basically a slot machine with roulette, poker etc on it, I'm sure there will be stories of guys who have lost thousands on them, punters with wrecked marraiges due to slot machines etc.

peacock169 · 28-07-2015 10:31pm

Enjoyed the couple at the racetrack, he didn't seem the type to ever loose the run of himself and get caught for big money. Refreshing to see. They made me smile anyway.

The lad who writes for the Racing Post, the golf tipster, wish the programme had of elaborated on his previous wins, only mentioned 2 big wins. Can't help feel he may have got lucky, and was not down to strategy, or a system. Although he does have a column, sure what do I know. He also backed dogs, and horses and darts, and most likely a lot of other things. Did not match my image of a successful tipster.

Enjoyed watching it, except for my missus in my ear, calling everyone fools, and constantly asking to put on one of the million episodes of Dr. Phil she has recorded.

ceadaoin. · 29-07-2015 9:31am

peacock169 wrote: »

Enjoyed the couple at the racetrack, he didn't seem the type to ever loose the run of himself and get caught for big money. Refreshing to see. They made me smile anyway.

The lad who writes for the Racing Post, the golf tipster, wish the programme had of elaborated on his previous wins, only mentioned 2 big wins. Can't help feel he may have got lucky, and was not down to strategy, or a system. Although he does have a column, sure what do I know. He also backed dogs, and horses and darts, and most likely a lot of other things. Did not match my image of a successful tipster.

Enjoyed watching it, except for my missus in my ear, calling everyone fools, and constantly asking to put on one of the million episodes of Dr. Phil she has recorded.

The golf tipster fella didn't seem very shrewd to me. It seemed like he was a compulsive gambler tbh. Felt sorry for his wife.

mickey1979 · 30-07-2015 11:14am

Steve Palmer neglected to mention he is a pretty good Golf Tipster but prob made serious money writing a book on his up's and downs as a punter. No use at anything bar golf nor does he claim to be

The_Kew_Tour · 30-07-2015 9:14pm

2nd episode was lot more enjoyable as you kinda saw more of the Good side then the bad.

Arrow in the Knee · 30-07-2015 11:32pm

So I watched it last night.

The couple.
First off, he bagged a good looking girl!
He seemed knowledgeable, clued in
ie:the syndicate around the other horse and big hooves on soft ground and he was picking horses at good odds.

Steve Palmer. "This will not be beaten"
I was impressed that he won doing a double on two different golf tournaments and winning. 'Hard enough to pick one!'
I would like to see more of him on TV.

The horse racing traders seemed like they were putting a fair chunk of money on the horses.

The posh bookmaker. It didn't go into too much detail?

The On Course bookie hymen and hawnen about taken a bet of 20 pound each way on an 18/1 outsider and worst of all the owner of that horse given them I think 60 pound back for drinks WTF!

Enjoyable episode.

Warper · 31-07-2015 6:48pm

Didn't see the first one but liked the second one. Really enjoyed the guy from the racing post, he seemed like good craic and obv knows his stuff esp about golf. The guy likes a bet as well and enjoys gambling and is good at it.

The couple at the races looked to be tight as hell to me. The guy seemed to think he knew it all and was irritating to me anyways. Fair play to him for backing winners with his one pound stakes. Seems the type of guy that would miss his round on a night out.

The traders were good fun as well.

Overall good show

The_Kew_Tour · 04-08-2015 9:57pm

When is 3rd episode on?

Copper_pipe · 05-08-2015 12:27am

Was on last night

okidoki987 · 05-08-2015 12:48am

Repeated BBC1 11.35pm Wednesday.

The_Kew_Tour · 05-08-2015 12:48am

Copper_pipe wrote: »

Was on last night

Cheers

Hope catch it on YouTube during week

Copper_pipe · 05-08-2015 12:59am

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Cheers

Hope catch it on YouTube during week

i tweeted you a link

:D

Realist2 · 05-08-2015 1:13am

I thought it was sick watching that young lad throw all his childs money into the FOBT on Monday, i wouldn't mind but them machines are obviously computerised, at least in a casino its random, they say they are random, so one day i played them once to test it, i put 5 on red, came black, 10 on red, came black, 20 on red came black, 40 on red came black and then 80 on red came black after that i never came back to play them, the English government have put a tax of 25% on every one of those machines, so u are nearly down before u start, to me they seem like the most stupid thing to bet on, I've seen lads break them, throw stools at them, when they lose, the reason they get angry is because they have to take the anger out on something, because its there own fault and they can't blame themselves because they look stupid, i was in the bookies the other day and i literally watched a young fella around 25 throw nearly 3 grand into one of those machines when i was doing some football bets the other day, he kept going over to the counter with his debit card saying another 100, another 100, i would just turn around a minute later and he said another 100, i think they transfer the money onto the machine because they didn't give the hundreds in cash, beyond belief

Hulk Hands · 05-08-2015 9:49pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

All the big bookies do this if you want big bets or bet on obscure markets, they want to know if your a regular losing customer or a person who knows what there doing, the only time i bet in the high street bookies now is for political bets and im cut to nothing, they would have a picture of me somewhere in head office taken from cctv and a nickname on me and comments under it either to take any bet or dont take any bets depending if your a winner or loser they would have thousands of other big punters pictures as well.
Of course this is not legal from a data protection point of view but no one ever seems to investigate this.

This is absolute nonsense and illegal. Is there camera's above the counter with lads in headoffice watching away or something? Of course they would have a profile on you if you are going in putting on bets on what are essentially novelty markets, political bets. How on earth can you expect to be getting a few hundred quid on jokeshop markets like political bets? Bookies do profile winning large staking shop customers with the aim of getting their large stakes rang over so a decision can be made at headoffice. None of this is done with CCTV or photgraphs however, and anyone complaining about getting political bets rang over and refused deserves the conptempt with which they are being treated

Hulk Hands · 05-08-2015 9:55pm

Watched all 3 episodes there. Hard to think of too many in the show that came out with credit! Simon Clare is a nauseating fker, the bane of the online gambling community for a while now. Thought some of the Coral Traders came off terribly. One lad backing horses because they had 'louie' in their name. You're letting this lad set your odds, no wonder Coral's online business is pathetic. And seriously, take betfair off yer screens lads if its going to be broadcast across a nation. We already know you're copying, just dont make it obvious. Fobt's are obviously a huge issue, and have been for a while now. Had a good laugh at the 'pro punter' mugging away 4k on board price favs in Corals box. Steve Palmer is good fun if completely confirming his muggish tendencies that his column suggests. Good tv all in all

Peintre Celebre · 06-08-2015 9:17am

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Watched all 3 episodes there. Hard to think of too many in the show that came out with credit! Simon Clare is a nauseating fker, the bane of the online gambling community for a while now. Thought some of the Coral Traders came off terribly. One lad backing horses because they had 'louie' in their name. You're letting this lad set your odds, no wonder Coral's online business is pathetic. And seriously, take betfair off yer screens lads if its going to be broadcast across a nation. We already know you're copying, just dont make it obvious. Fobt's are obviously a huge issue, and have been for a while now. Had a good laugh at the 'pro punter' mugging away 4k on board price favs in Corals box. Steve Palmer is good fun if completely confirming his muggish tendencies that his column suggests. Good tv all in all

He seemed like some mug, 'if a race is starting on the screen beside me I'll want to back something'', sounds like something one the lads you see in the same bookies day in day out would say. Yeah that pro punter must really be doing well to get invited to a box with them. Seemed like a pain in the arse. A general rule in life: If you can hear someone before you see them, they're usually a moron

The_Kew_Tour · 06-08-2015 10:31am

It was mixed bag but Pro Punter, the FOBt guy and the Greyhound fellas should be put down, for their own good.

ManagerXI · 06-08-2015 5:17pm

The producers of this show have an agenda to show that bookies are a scourge on society...

I watched the first 2 episodes and the only thing resembling a professional gambler was the golf guy who writes for the racing post. That guy is nothing more than a degenerate gambler, no long term professional bettor bets like him and its laughable that he continues to call himself a professional when he had less than £5k to bet with. He will crash and burn multiple times until he finally gives up and gets a 9-5. I hope he does it before his wife leaves him.

Gregk961 · 06-08-2015 5:44pm

ManagerXI wrote: »

The producers of this show have an agenda to show that bookies are a scourge on society...

I watched the first 2 episodes and the only thing resembling a professional gambler was the golf guy who writes for the racing post. That guy is nothing more than a degenerate gambler, no long term professional bettor bets like him and its laughable that he continues to call himself a professional when he had less than £5k to bet with. He will crash and burn multiple times until he finally gives up and gets a 9-5. I hope he does it before his wife leaves him.

I wouldn't say Coral were too pleased about how it turned out, pretty much an anti gambling show with nothing positive about the industry.

Out of the numerous gamblers they followed only the (already wealthy) man who was getting limited stakes and the guy who has a 4 euro max bet didn't have gambling problems. It was a cop out to paint the betting industry that way but what the viewing public want to see is drama and sob stories.

JONJO THE MISER · 06-08-2015 8:34pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

This is absolute nonsense and illegal. Is there camera's above the counter with lads in headoffice watching away or something?

Yes it does happen this way, i know because i know of 2 people working in 2 head offices of different bookies so there you go with your think you know it all attitude.

JONJO THE MISER · 06-08-2015 8:39pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

and anyone complaining about getting political bets rang over and refused deserves the conptempt with which they are being treated

Why is that, i spot value and take advantage of it, that is what gambling is about, why should i be held in conptempt.
Perhaps its because i showed you up a few times last year over on the american football forum for gambling, obviously you cant make money from gambling and you hate someone who can, sad really.

Gregk961 · 06-08-2015 10:32pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Yes it does happen this way, i know because i know of 2 people working in 2 head offices of different bookies so there you go with your think you know it all attitude.

Albeit it was over 5 years ago, but I was an interim manager of a betting shop and there was no such procedures in place. Quite common to ring hq over large bets on markets outside racing and top flight team sports. They might ask if you recognised the customer that was about it, the decision would be made in a few minutes and the bet was accepted or else stake reduced. There was no pictures kept nor did the traders have a live feed of the shop(our cctv was stored inside the shop, I do believe it would be unheard of in any Irish business to have streaming directly into head office) or anything similar. There was also a cluster of Bookies in the same area and I never heard employees in those shops describe anything like what you've described.

"Restricted" gamblers are few and far between in any betting shop as far as im aware, and its still the easiest way for a shrewd punter to get his bet on. In my 2 years in I only remember 1 person and two of his family members who we knew to be placing bets for him, who was heavily restricted. If I recall correctly he was allowed less than e5 on early prices but if he came back at opening show we would usually accept most of his bet. In contrast there was at least a dozen people who signed exemption papers due to problem gambling.

Most large bets on exotic markets would be turned away unless it was a shop regular to be honest.

Hulk Hands · 06-08-2015 10:36pm

Spot on Greg, correct on both counts. Nobody, unless you're a complete and utter known mug, will or should be getting laid big bets on political joke markets. Complaining about it shows a lack of knowledge of the industry

TrueDub · 07-08-2015 10:17am

Posts deleted, infractions handed out for personal abuse. Back on-topic please, or the thread will be closed.

okidoki987 · 07-08-2015 10:31am

a professional gambler was the golf guy who writes for the racing post.

What about the guy doing rugby MOTM bets?
He ended up being restricted at the end of the 1st programme to peanuts or having his account closed.

was an interim manager of a betting shop and there was no such procedures in place

Would depend on what bookie it was.
Different bookies would have different attitudes to different bets on different markets.
Much easier to get on with a smaller bookie that is near a "large" bookie as they don't want you going down the road and doing it elsewhere.
Most of them just look up the price on the internet if they don't have it and work off that, you just won't be able to do it very often if there are winners.
Always helps if you are a regular in a shop and a losing punter at that.
Bookies never like to turn down/restrict bets with their regular punters.

I doubt if bookie shops have a live stream to HQ as it would surely come under the Data Protection Act?

Collie D · 08-08-2015 8:24am

okidoki987 wrote: »

I doubt if bookie shops have a live stream to HQ as it would surely come under the Data Protection Act?

Not sure it does. I work in HQ of a large retail chain. Guy that sits near me is in fraud prevention and is regularly looking at CCTV footage on his computer - although saying that it may not be live, if that makes a difference.

Cartel Mike · 08-08-2015 8:47pm

I don't know guys, the machines are a no-go everyone knows that.

But it just reinstates the fact that if you know something is going to win -bet on it.

Then , be able to go weeks on end without betting again. If your a full-time Gambler then in my view your an addict by nature . You have to treat it as a 9-5 & that sound alot more glamorous than it is

ceadaoin. · 08-08-2015 10:31pm

I used to work in the head office of a very large UK based bookies and the traders there could access CCTV from the shops. It wasn't live and I think it would have to be pretty extreme circumstances like a massive win or a suspicious bet for them to bother to look at it. They weren't sitting there with a live feed to the shops while they were on the phone or anything like has been suggested here. They definitely don't have pictures of thousands of punters with notes on them, unless it's changed drastically in the past 3 years!

Hulk Hands · 08-08-2015 10:43pm

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Im thinking a poster with two accounts and backs himself up by posting as another poster.
Looking at post history of the 2 posters, both have posted in the exact same forums and both support Galway.
I think someone got found out, which is not surprising the way that poster acts.

Ah ffs more deluded nonsense. Still waiting for proof of where you showed me up in the NFL forum, or which bookies risk departments your two mates work in where they sit there monitoring shops cctv constantly?

JONJO THE MISER · 10-08-2015 11:24pm

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Ah ffs more deluded nonsense. Still waiting for proof of where you showed me up in the NFL forum, or which bookies risk departments your two mates work in where they sit there monitoring shops cctv constantly?

Where did i say they sit there monitoring shops cctv constantly? I didnt so dont make up stuff as you go along.
1 of them works for a small chain of bookies and they have pics of customers that are barred from there shop and pics of punters that they will take very little
or no money off of.
Another worked a few years ago in the I.T department of a bookies and said the risk department had pics and nicknames on customers of various shops with notes are them.
As regards the NFL you are knowledgeable but got pissy with me last season where i picked a bet and won it when you said the team had no chance.
I would be more than happy for each of us to document our bets on American
Football this year on the third party site i use to sell my picks, it would be free to enter your plays and all would be able to see after the plays are complete.

Hulk Hands · 11-08-2015 12:05am

Hah, actually the below quote is what I picked on, you being cocky and condescending despite talking absolute rubbish. I never say something has no chance, goes exactly against what I believe in. Everything has a chance you just have to find odds that are too big for that chance. So stop making stuff up.

Ok, so now we're down to one small bookie and another big one. Care to name the big one where the risk department sit there with CCTV access to shops? If you want people to believe/respect you, post up screenshots of these massive 4 figure bets with pinnacle before the game, and lose the attitude that you're gods gift at making money (while still feeling the need to tell strangers online as much at every opportunity)

JONJO THE MISER wrote: »

Easy for the skins here, been watching both teams all season and i would of made Dallas -3 favs here, no way -9, just another example of how the public got
it wrong and just follow the line that the bookies have set.
As the great investors say you got to spot value and buy when everybody else is selling, you cant learn it, its a skill that you can get from experience but even then you might not get it, your either born with the sense or not.

JONJO THE MISER · 11-08-2015 2:47am

Hulk Hands wrote: »

I never say something has no chance, goes exactly against what I believe in. Everything has a chance you just have to find odds that are too big for that chance. So stop making stuff up.
If you want people to believe/respect you, post up screenshots of these massive 4 figure bets with pinnacle before the game, and lose the attitude that you're gods gift at making money (while still feeling the need to tell strangers online as much at every opportunity)

Yes everything has a chance, which is why i cant quiet understand why you get so pissed off when im able to cap games and pick many winners, is it because you are not able to pick and make a profit yourself.
I post up my picks because i like to help people try and get a few winners, i have a log on here where i give baseball picks and anyone who has followed on here is up nearly 50 Pts this season, not bad for some who you thinks talks rubbish.
When i put up some of my plays over on American Football i dont always mention how much i put on but sometimes i do, i dont see what the problem with that is as many other people do as well, i dont see why i should put up screenshots just to please you but i will put up a screenshot of a few of those last season bets from Pinnacle tomorrow.
I have made consistent profit over the last few seasons and have plenty of followers that can vouch for me, my MLB followers this season are up nearly 160 Pts profit on another site where all my plays are tracked.
You have said on a few occasions i dont know how to cap games when in fact my record would prove otherwise.
I ask again will you get your plays tracked this season on Football and lets see who is talking rubbish as you would say and lets see who will come out on top

TrueDub · 11-08-2015 8:30am

Lads, take it to PM, or I'll have to step in.

Back on-topic please!

Peintre Celebre · 11-08-2015 6:43pm

Doubt there is a poster on here who's made more dosh than Hulk this year. Nice 269/1 winner at the weekend as well

duckysauce · 11-08-2015 8:54pm

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Doubt there is a poster on here who's made more dosh than Hulk this year. Nice 269/1 winner at the weekend as well

269/1 :eek: what was the bet

JONJO THE MISER · 11-08-2015 11:54pm

Peintre Celebre wrote: »

Doubt there is a poster on here who's made more dosh than Hulk this year. Nice 269/1 winner at the weekend as well

I dont see where he posted that pick anywhere?
I would hazard i have made more dosh than hulk, if anyone follows Baseball i have been giving a free pick most days and up 52 Pts over on my log,i dont see hulk hands doing a log, he prefers to shout from the sidelines.
On my Baseball log putting 20 Eur per point on that would of netted over 1k to anyone who followed and up over 160 Pts on a fully tracked website where i sell my picks on baseball.
Baseball is one of the most difficult sports to get a edge on but my track record is proven.

Hulk Hands · 12-08-2015 12:44am

My last post because its off topic. When betting becomes more about actually being able to get a bet on Jonjo, rather than choosing out the selections themselves, you stop worrying about posting up selections for strangers to see on an internet forum. A) You don't want anyone robbing your price on you,

You dont want any stream of money following you in to draw attention to your precious account and C) any info you do share would happen to be with actual real life mates (PC above would be one), rather than a pack of strangers on a forum. I have put up plenty of good stuff in the past, as you would see if you actually looked through those threads you keep referring to.

Nowadays when I see a bet (and i have a lot of bets), my limited time is consumed by trying to back the selection rather than ego tripping on a public forum. FWIW considering you keep calling me a losing punter, ive made more money gambling this year than in wages, and my salary wouldn't be insignificant whatsoever. Thats despite not having an account left in my own name in yonks. If your doing better than that by backing on Pinnacle and matchbook, and selling selections, then fair play. Ill always have my doubts obviously, but then again, im a stranger on a forum, so who cares

"Britain at the Bookies"

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