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1985 and the Moving Statues Phenomena

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,318 ✭✭✭✭Menas


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I consider the whole "moving statues phenomena" to be one of the last hurrahs of "Auld Ireland", the old Ireland rooted in the past full and of blarney and superstition - then the country woke up, and we now laugh at the craziness of it all . . . .

    Only a year later the 1986 divorce referendum was defeated. It would be another decade before right minded people found their voice and passed that one!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    philstar wrote: »
    but they are our betters

    All idolatries are the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I consider the whole "moving statues phenomena" to be one of the last hurrahs of "Auld Ireland", the old Ireland rooted in the past full and of blarney and superstition - then the country woke up, and we now laugh at the craziness of it all . . . .

    Cough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath



    Have they presented their video evidence to the scientific community yet ? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I consider the whole "moving statues phenomena" to be one of the last hurrahs of "Auld Ireland", the old Ireland rooted in the past full and of blarney and superstition - then the country woke up, and we now laugh at the craziness of it all . . . .
    Were you even around back then? The notion that people back then were backward and uneducated and now everyone is so much more intelligent is baloney.


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  • Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LordSutch wrote: »
    I consider the whole "moving statues phenomena" to be one of the last hurrahs of "Auld Ireland", the old Ireland rooted in the past full and of blarney and superstition - then the country woke up, and we now laugh at the craziness of it all . . . .

    Absolutely not. The people have merely found a new outlet for their craziness: rampant consumerism. The gods of Dundrum Town Centre, incessant advertisements, a cult of celebrity imposed on even some randomer on a YouTube clip or "reality" tv show, or on a z list soap star/sports star. Every sport (sport!) now turned into a business rather than an outlet for community and health, where people seek to escape from the stresses of life by following teams with no connection to their own community, and indeed with increasingly little connection to sport.

    In our brave new supposedly rational world where people sneer at people with religious belief, the same people cannot see their own outstanding irrationality. We have property bubbles and other get rich quick delusions, a massive increase in gambling that's so successfully marketed people don't consider it gambling (how much do people here spend per annum on a lottery ticket? And the odds of winning?). Human beings are still desperate for hope, and consumerist culture has stepped into the role vacated by the churches in most people's lives to offer that. What has happened since the decline of the churches is not so much rational enlightenment but a rational transfer of irrational hopes, followed by a denial of that transfer/ a delusion that people today are more enlightened.

    Everything, everybody is a potential market for exploitation now- and it's all pushed by what used to be mere newspapers but which are now just cheerleaders for this consumerist culture. And we now need two incomes to pay for a mortgage when 40 years ago, even in Dublin, we needed a single income so now the child is sent to a business called a crèche to be looked after during the day while both people must work to just live in Dublin. Furthermore, because rural Ireland is being depleted of jobs it's not as if most couples have the choice to move there for the cheaper house so that one parent can look after the child. That time with a child will never come back in our short lives. That's a fairly fundamental change as a direct result of the deluge of the culture of consumerism in our society.

    All the hopes, fears and delusions of people are directed into the various aspects of consumerism which will allow people to escape, to release emotional tension, to release stress. Other than where they are directed, the thinking and needs are no different to the thinking and needs of people in the 1950s. It's always harder for people to get perspective on the present.


    Judging by how long it has taken people to come to terms with how much they have been deluded by their preferred cult (be it religious or royal), it may take 40 years for people to face up to their craziness today, but it will happen. The cheerleaders of unrestrained consumerism today are soulmates in mindset to the people who would have been cheering on their preferred cult (be it religious or royal) back in the 1950s. They can't see what's happening in the world in which they live, and they look back on the past as some backward period in contrast to their supposedly enlightened, superstition-free present as if human nature changes fundamentally so quickly. Now, that's utterly crazy thinking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    ^ Ain't nobody got time for that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Absolutely not. The people have merely found a new outlet for their craziness: rampant consumerism. The gods of Dundrum Town Centre, incessant advertisements, a cult of celebrity imposed on even some randomer on a YouTube clip or "reality" tv show, or on a z list soap star/sports star. Every sport (sport!) now turned into a business rather than an outlet for community and health, where people seek to escape from the stresses of life by following teams with no connection to their own community, and indeed with increasingly little connection to sport.

    In our brave new supposedly rational world where people sneer at people with religious belief, the same people cannot see their own outstanding irrationality. We have property bubbles and other get rich quick delusions, a massive increase in gambling that's so successfully marketed people don't consider it gambling (how much do people here spend per annum on a lottery ticket? And the odds of winning?). Human beings are still desperate for hope, and consumerist culture has stepped into the role vacated by the churches in most people's lives to offer that. What has happened since the decline of the churches is not so much rational enlightenment but a rational transfer of irrational hopes, followed by a denial of that transfer/ a delusion that people today are more enlightened.

    Everything, everybody is a potential market for exploitation now- and it's all pushed by what used to be mere newspapers but which are now just cheerleaders for this consumerist culture. And we now need two incomes to pay for a mortgage when 40 years ago, even in Dublin, we needed a single income so now the child is sent to a business called a crèche to be looked after during the day while both people must work to just live in Dublin. Furthermore, because rural Ireland is being depleted of jobs it's not as if most couples have the choice to move there for the cheaper house so that one parent can look after the child. That time with a child will never come back in our short lives. That's a fairly fundamental change as a direct result of the deluge of the culture of consumerism in our society.

    All the hopes, fears and delusions of people are directed into the various aspects of consumerism which will allow people to escape, to release emotional tension, to release stress. Other than where they are directed, the thinking and needs are no different to the thinking and needs of people in the 1950s. It's always harder for people to get perspective on the present.


    Judging by how long it has taken people to come to terms with how much they have been deluded by their preferred cult (be it religious or royal), it may take 40 years for people to face up to their craziness today, but it will happen. The cheerleaders of unrestrained consumerism today are soulmates in mindset to the people who would have been cheering on their preferred cult (be it religious or royal) back in the 1950s. They can't see what's happening in the world in which they live, and they look back on the past as some backward period in contrast to their supposedly enlightened, superstition-free present as if human nature changes fundamentally so quickly. Now, that's utterly crazy thinking.

    Sorry for the difficult life you now have due to people choosing what they want to believe.


  • Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    traprunner wrote: »
    Sorry for the difficult life you now have due to people choosing what they want to believe.

    Sorry for your inability to understand the English language.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Sorry for your inability to understand the English language.

    :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    Absolutely not. The people have merely found a new outlet for their craziness...

    TL;DR: Mildred, the kids are all-righty. :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    jimgoose wrote: »
    TL;DR: Mildred, the kids are all-righty. :cool:

    Nah their all running around with their sexbox. Called sonnie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Sorry for your inability to understand the English language.

    Thanks for the apology but I know enough English to get by. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭stmol32


    Mint Aero wrote: »
    What year was fluoride introduced to our water? I'd imagine it was some mass corruption to peoples health that caused hallucinations coinciding with flu jabs or something. I'm not saying it was flu jabs or fluoride that caused these visions but I wasn't born then and I be f*cked if I do research for AH on a Sunday morning for this.

    So if anyone knows of anything that was introduced to the public in 84/85 i'm willing to go with that as being the cause.


    Pretty sure that's when Wham bars first appeared.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭Cold War Kid


    realies wrote: »
    I remember the early eighties very well, Ireland was indeed a very dark place,NI was in turmoil with bombings shootings everyday, high profile kidnappings happening, don tiedy , shergar, Ben dunne, Galen Weston ,hunger strikes were on ,governments colapsing,recession hitting everyone,emergration, plus the it never stopped raining, I think the moving statues gave a people some hope, a falsh hope but some hope all the same,it was a crazy time living here and we in the worlds media for all the wrong reasons everyday.
    Don't think it did us any harm really did it :-)
    Don't forget the horror of pixie boots and matching towelling sweatbands and armbands. :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭sabat


    I reckon people were just bored out of their minds. No World Cup, Euros or Olympics to watch, TV "summer schedules" finishing about 11PM, not much in the way of gigs or festivals, drugs were either sh1t hash or heroin, women were tighter than a gnat's ass etc. The saddest thing is that heading along to see a moving statue was probably the most fun activity available for most of the country.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    sabat wrote: »
    women were tighter than a gnat's ass

    You got that one wrong! :)

    Don't pee on my salad days (ironic in terms of the '85 weather I guess) :cool:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,985 ✭✭✭philstar


    sabat wrote: »
    I reckon people were just bored out of their minds. No World Cup, Euros or Olympics to watch, TV "summer schedules" finishing about 11PM, not much in the way of gigs or festivals, drugs were either sh1t hash or heroin, women were tighter than a gnat's ass etc. The saddest thing is that heading along to see a moving statue was probably the most fun activity available for most of the country.

    but we always had the local funfair calling....



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭sabat


    You got that one wrong! :)

    But handjobs weren't legalised until 1989...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    sabat wrote: »
    I reckon people were just bored out of their minds. No World Cup, Euros or Olympics to watch, TV "summer schedules" finishing about 11PM, not much in the way of gigs or festivals, drugs were either sh1t hash or heroin, women were tighter than a gnat's ass etc. The saddest thing is that heading along to see a moving statue was probably the most fun activity available for most of the country.
    No need for you to reckon, it was only 30 years ago not 100 and lots of people that were around back then are still around now ask them ;)


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Schadenfreudia


    sabat wrote: »
    But handjobs weren't legalised until 1989...

    I've added you to my list :D


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