Sean O'Rourke Today Show

touts · 16-07-2015 10:49AM

robo wrote: »

Missed the interview with Sean & Enda, but if Enda has any gumption, he should let Matt Cooper interview him, now that would be a great interview!

You didn't miss anything. It was a very soft interview. Sean would throw out an easy clearly agreeded in advance question. Enda would pretty much read the answer. Sean would throw him another one. Very disappointing.

lochderg · 16-07-2015 11:28AM

Can't wait to see how these 'luminaries' start the chapter on the Irish crash in their memoirs -'....it was at time of great unfairness for the Irish people....'
'...we knew we were all in it together....'

alaimacerc · 18-07-2015 07:19PM

robo wrote: »

[...]but if Enda has any gumption [...]

Well, there, as they say, is the rub, no?

Callan57 · 20-07-2015 09:10AM

Puke inducing listening to guys on multiples of the minimum wage discussing a 50c increase .... wonder how much these guys would do for 50c?

RayM · 20-07-2015 09:24AM

Groups like ISME (and the particularly loathsome 'Small Firms Association', who we'll no doubt here from before the end of the day) have an unhealthy obsession with the idea of paying people as little as they can possibly get away with. They should never be listened to.

P. Breathnach · 20-07-2015 09:35AM

The ISME thinking is that they should pay "the rate" for the job, and the ability of employees to live decently on their wages is not their concern: that's the job of the government.

So the taxpayer is to be put on the hook to compensate for wages that don't cover modest living costs. That translates into government-subsidised sweatshops.

Brendan Bendar · 20-07-2015 09:43AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Puke inducing listening to guys on multiples of the minimum wage discussing a 50c increase .... wonder how much these guys would do for 50c?

Normally agree with your view 57 but not on this occasion.

RayM wrote: »

Groups like ISME (and the particularly loathsome 'Small Firms Association', who we'll no doubt here from before the end of the day) have an unhealthy obsession with the idea of paying people as little as they can possibly get away with. They should never be listened to.

Well, there is a statement from someone who, based on that particularly bile fill post, seems not to understand how the economy works.

Bits_n_Bobs · 20-07-2015 09:52AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well, there is a statement from someone who, based on that particularly bile fill post, seems not to understand how the economy works.

Exactly who understands how the economy works? Banks, governments, civil servants and a plethora of economists seem to have misunderstood 'how the economy works' a few short years ago. They don't appear to have reached much of a consensus in the interim.

RayM · 20-07-2015 10:11AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Well, there is a statement from someone who, based on that particularly bile fill post, seems not to understand how the economy works.

Now there's a vacuous post, if ever I saw one. I understand exactly how the likes of ISME work. Pay people as little as you can possibly get away with, and then moan incessantly at the most modest of proposed improvements in workers' conditions.

Callan57 · 20-07-2015 10:26AM

Mark Fielding's comment about "going in to an employer asking them to take one more worker on" is a load of disingenuous twaddle.
The only reason any employer, be they a small business owner or a multi-national company, take on an additional worker/s is if and when they can't get the job done without extra staff and it is bullsh1t to suggest any employer is taking people on for alturistic reasons.
I'd be fairly sure Mark's members spend a hell of a lot more time mulling over how they can get the job done with the least number of emplees possible rather that discussing job creation for the "good of the country".

Callan57 · 20-07-2015 10:30AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Normally agree with your view 57 but not on this occasion.

I'm suitably flattered!

But, do you not think there is something reminiscent of the "Charlie Haughey belt tightening speech" about those on hefty salaries discussing a 50c increase for others?

HeidiHeidi · 20-07-2015 10:31AM

Trouble after the airshow. Now there's a surprise.

Can we not do anything - even have a nice summer's day FFS - in this country without it descending into a drunken brawl :mad:

(and yes I do know it's a tiny minority who cause this ****e)

Brendan Bendar · 20-07-2015 11:02AM

Callan57 wrote: »

I'm suitably flattered!
But, do you not think there is something reminiscent of the "Charlie Haughey belt tightening speech" about those on hefty salaries discussing a 50c increase for others?

Not on this occasion.You see,57, the real skill in management is to manage when times are 'good'.

Don't want to get away too much from topic, but that was the downfall of Bertie, Biffo et al. They just threw money at everything, let the PS run riot, let prices get out of control not seeming to realise that once the toothpaste is out of the tube,it's verrrrrry difficult to get it back in:p

This country is barely, I repeat, barely, in recovery and the domestic economy,particularly the small businesses are really struggling, and that struggle is very uneven as the lad said.
We have the 3rd highest min wage in Europe and to remain competitive we HAVE to keep check on costs.
Believe me 50c an hour would put a lot of these concerns in retrench mode, either cutting hours or letting people go.

Sorry for being a bit long winded but I would not equate genuine concern for the health and stability of the domestic economy across all locations and industries with the hypocritical " tighten your belts" from CJH.

Callan57 · 20-07-2015 11:35AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Not on this occasion.You see,57, the real skill in management is to manage when times are 'good'.

Don't want to get away too much from topic, but that was the downfall of Bertie, Biffo et al. They just threw money at everything, let the PS run riot, let prices get out of control not seeming to realise that once the toothpaste is out of the tube,it's verrrrrry difficult to get it back in:p

This country is barely, I repeat, barely, in recovery and the domestic economy,particularly the small businesses are really struggling, and that struggle is very uneven as the lad said.
We have the 3rd highest min wage in Europe and to remain competitive we HAVE to keep check on costs.
Believe me 50c an hour would put a lot of these concerns in retrench mode, either cutting hours or letting people go.

Sorry for being a bit long winded but I would not equate genuine concern for the health and stability of the domestic economy across all locations and industries with the hypocritical " tighten your belts" from CJH.

I'm was not talking about the amount of increase, or even the justification or otherwise for any increase, I talking about the optics of people on big salaries discussing very minute increases for others. But aside for the optics even surely it would make a lot more sense to hold the line or indeed "tighten up" at the top first (perish the thought!). After all it wasn't workers on minimum wage who bankrupted the country now was it?

foxtrot101 · 20-07-2015 12:14PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Not on this occasion.You see,57, the real skill in management is to manage when times are 'good'.

Don't want to get away too much from topic, but that was the downfall of Bertie, Biffo et al. They just threw money at everything, let the PS run riot, let prices get out of control not seeming to realise that once the toothpaste is out of the tube,it's verrrrrry difficult to get it back in:p

This country is barely, I repeat, barely, in recovery and the domestic economy,particularly the small businesses are really struggling, and that struggle is very uneven as the lad said.
We have the 3rd highest min wage in Europe and to remain competitive we HAVE to keep check on costs.
Believe me 50c an hour would put a lot of these concerns in retrench mode, either cutting hours or letting people go.

Sorry for being a bit long winded but I would not equate genuine concern for the health and stability of the domestic economy across all locations and industries with the hypocritical " tighten your belts" from CJH.

Only around 3% to 4% of all the jobs in the economy pay the minimum wage. The "health and stability of the domestic economy across all locations and industries" would not be threatened by a 50 cent increase in the rate. Any affect would be negligible.

Brendan Bendar · 20-07-2015 07:55PM

Callan57 wrote: »

I talking about the optics of people on big salaries discussing very minute increases for others. But aside for the optics even surely it would make a lot more sense to hold the line or indeed "tighten up" at the top first (perish the thought!). After all it wasn't workers on minimum wage who bankrupted the country now was it?

With all due respects who the Fcuk else would talk about national min. wage increases?

People on €12.00 per hour !

Remember the top first as you refer to them pay huge amounts of tax.

Remember that the top first are by and large universally qualified and internationLly mobile, so if they are being screwed here,they will move elsewhere,with the consequent huge loss of revenue.

People here need to wise up and realise that we need to be competitive, that means competitive rates of pay, productivity to match that, and prices that consumers are prepared to pay.

Fcuk all use paying a guy in a hamburger van €11.00 an hour if you have to charge €5.00 for a burger and nobody buys?

C'mon man, understand the situation in this country, forget the socialist idealism for a few hours eh ??

Callan57 · 20-07-2015 08:07PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

With all due respects who the Fcuk else would talk about national min. wage increases?

People on €12.00 per hour !

Remember the top first as you refer to them pay huge amounts of tax.

Remember that the top first are by and large universally qualified and internationLly mobile, so if they are being screwed here,they will move elsewhere,with the consequent huge loss of revenue.

People here need to wise up and realise that we need to be competitive, that means competitive rates of pay, productivity to match that, and prices that consumers are prepared to pay.

Fcuk all use paying a guy in a hamburger van €11.00 an hour if you have to charge €5.00 for a burger and nobody buys?

C'mon man, understand the situation in this country, forget the socialist idealism for a few hours eh ??

What a pity these "high achievers" aren't articulate enough to have a discussion without resorting to vulgarity.

Brendan Bendar · 20-07-2015 08:11PM

Callan57 wrote: »

What a pity these "high achievers" aren't articulate enough to have a discussion without resorting to vulgarity.

What a pity some people saddle up the high horse when confronted with reality.

michael999999 · 20-07-2015 08:47PM

Callan57 wrote: »

What a pity these "high achievers" aren't articulate enough to have a discussion without resorting to vulgarity.

That's middle Ireland for you!

honeybear · 20-07-2015 09:00PM

Just listening to podcast of today's show. Did anyone think Vincent McGee? Didn't sound very well when looking back on the sporting weekend-I think it was his breathing which sounded quite laboured?

Bits_n_Bobs · 21-07-2015 09:39AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

With all due respects who the Fcuk else would talk about national min. wage increases?

People on €12.00 per hour !

Remember the top first as you refer to them pay huge amounts of tax.

Remember that the top first are by and large universally qualified and internationLly mobile, so if they are being screwed here,they will move elsewhere,with the consequent huge loss of revenue.

People here need to wise up and realise that we need to be competitive, that means competitive rates of pay, productivity to match that, and prices that consumers are prepared to pay.

Fcuk all use paying a guy in a hamburger van €11.00 an hour if you have to charge €5.00 for a burger and nobody buys?

C'mon man, understand the situation in this country, forget the socialist idealism for a few hours eh ??

You are of course correct. If the dirty uneducated and likely smelly proletariat would only realise that we need to drop their wages to a level comparable to China in order to 'compete' the country would be 'booming and getting boomier' to paraphrase one of our great leaders...

padd b1975 · 21-07-2015 10:16AM

Here's Sinead!

Stating the bloody obvious.....

Brendan Bendar · 21-07-2015 01:32PM

Callan57 wrote: »

I'm was not talking about the amount of increase, or even the justification or otherwise for any increase, I talking about the optics of people on big salaries discussing very minute increases for others. But aside for the optics even surely it would make a lot more sense to hold the line or indeed "tighten up" at the top first (perish the thought!). After all it wasn't workers on minimum wage who bankrupted the country now was it?

The 'optics' of discussing an increase in the NMW on national radio is, in my opinion, is a far reaching decision which would impact on many businesses in this country and would be a major policy decision for any Govt.

Therefore the 'optics' of people on big salaries debating it wouldn't surprise me at all.

alaimacerc · 22-07-2015 08:25AM

Relatedly... what are the "optics" of using the word "optics" to mean "appearances"? As opposed to using "optics" to mean "optics"?

Just wondering.

hullaballoo · 22-07-2015 10:26AM

Mod:

If you want to discuss the meanings and origins of words, please do so in either Linguistics & Etymology or the English language forum. Please don't derail this thread further. It does nothing to enhance the optics of this forum.

neris · 23-07-2015 09:58AM

another man blaming the drink for his anger issues. amazing the amount of people who go out at a weekend get ****faced and dont cause public order offences or get arrested. funny how paddy never seems to get an interview out of someone up on their 1st offence that involves booze

Callan57 · 31-07-2015 09:19AM

The weather might be lousey but at least it's good to be listening to good economic news for a change - fairly obvious in Galway yesterday that we're over the "great unpleasantness". Onwards and Upwards!

Bits_n_Bobs · 31-07-2015 10:40AM

Ivana sent out to bat and defend the shambles of Irish Water..."Eurostat is rong rong rong" seems to be her line

Callan57 · 31-07-2015 10:47AM

Michael O'Regan talks an awful lot of sense - there comes a time when you just have to cut your losses

Bits_n_Bobs · 31-07-2015 10:50AM

So Ivana thinks no-one should be made redundant no matter how overstaffed it is? And this is the reason why eurostat didn't give it a nod and a wink

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