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Ikea to introduce minimum wage of €11.50 per hour

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  • #32
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    So you are a luddite and believer that smashing machine is the answer. independent craftsmen and women did enjoy a somewhat better life before industrial revolution however the industrial revolution brought down the cost of goods, the vast majority of people are not going to pay 500 euro for a hand made chair when you can get a similar one for 80 euro in Ikea.

    Probably 83 euro in Ikea now though.


  • #33
    cormie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,867 ✭✭✭✭cormie


    Now they just need to hire more staff. The IKEA staff I've dealt with are generally quite helpful, but they always seem very busy and a lot say they don't have time to help you find a few things. Sometimes there's no staff in certain departments too. The queues can be ridiculous too when they don't have enough tills open, sometimes queuing for half an hour.


  • #34
    ScumLord
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    Menas wrote: »
    I would argue that it has been ongoing on an industrial scale since the start of the industrial revolution 140 years earlier...but that is another thread!
    They were sort of different types of revolution I guess. The start of the industrial revolution was able to produce a lot of stuff for little money. It still needed a human operator, it wouldn't really have been automation more like jigs to increase production. Automation takes people out of the equation.
    mariaalice wrote: »
    independent craftsmen and women did enjoy a somewhat better life before industrial revolution
    I wouldn't have sthought that, factories were a work place open to women. It gave jobs to women were they wouldn't have had a role before. Craftsmen were probably fairly common before the industrial revolution and that would have forced them to operate at small margins. The industrial revolution may have wiped out a lot of the craftsmen but the ones that were left would have been better off.


  • #35
    wes
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    samapple789 wrote: »
    I have been offered 16K a year working as a Database DEV on a college grad program in Dublin no idea how your post to live on that unless you live at home with your mother and father.

    There chancing there arm with that offer. I started on 25k nearly 9 years ago, and I was able to quickly get increases by moving around after getting some experience.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ScumLord wrote: »
    They were sort of different types of revolution I guess. The start of the industrial revolution was able to produce a lot of stuff for little money. It still needed a human operator, it wouldn't really have been automation more like jigs to increase production. Automation takes people out of the equation.

    I wouldn't have sthought that, factories were a work place open to women. It gave jobs to women were they wouldn't have had a role before. Craftsmen were probably fairly common before the industrial revolution and that would have forced them to operate at small margins. The industrial revolution may have wiped out a lot of the craftsmen but the ones that were left would have been better off.

    The big thing before the industrial revolution was that crafts men and woman say home wavers had status and control over their lives in a way they never has in factors, in fact it was hard to persuade people to work in factors at first they know they were giving up autonomy.


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  • #37
    Menas
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    mariaalice wrote: »
    So you are a luddite and believer that smashing machine is the answer. independent craftsmen and women did enjoy a somewhat better life before industrial revolution however the industrial revolution brought down the cost of goods, the vast majority of people are not going to pay 500 euro for a hand made chair when you can get a similar one for 80 euro in Ikea.

    That is a big jump to make based on what I said.
    I have just said that the lowering of wages goes back a lot further than now (which is what one poster said) and than Henry Ford (which is what another poster said).


  • #38
    TrustedApple
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    wes wrote: »
    There chancing there arm with that offer. I started on 25k nearly 9 years ago, and I was able to quickly get increases by moving around after getting some experience.

    I did take a job for another company after for extremely good money. Would help if i could explain the job :pac:.

    But a lot of the large IT companies are offering peanuts this year with there wages as they don't tell you anything about the pay on to they are offering you the job now. Get ready for a few hart attacks with the wages some places are offering now.


  • #39
    wes
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    samapple789 wrote: »
    But a lot of the large IT companies are offering peanuts this year with there wages as they don't tell you anything about the pay on to they are offering you the job now. Get ready for a few hart attacks with the wages some places are offering now.

    There crazy if they think they will get people who will care about the job at 16k. If that is the kind of money being offered, they have lost the plot.


  • #40
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    The people at the bottom are the wealth creators IMHO. I don't take trickle down economics seriously.


  • #41
    Greenmachine
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    Recently put in an application with them. They already paid more that a lot of similar jobs. My understanding is last year they paid a 9% pro rate bonus to all staff on years end. I think the average bonus for full year staff was €1900, that would indicate that most staff are part-time, but the bonus not something to be sniffed. at.


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  • #42
    TrustedApple
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    wes wrote: »
    There crazy if they think they will get people who will care about the job at 16k. If that is the kind of money being offered, they have lost the plot.

    Do you know what made it hard for college grads ?. Jobs bridge as they can try and take on a programer for notting for 9 months if they wonted to.

    Microsoft where only offering 21k this year as a Grad IT Project Manager that is shocking wages considering it incuded no paid overtime.

    Loads of places have really lost it with what wages there offering and they don't tell you to they offer you the job now with how much there going to pay you.


  • #43
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    samapple789 wrote: »
    I did take a job for another company after for extremely good money. Would help if i could explain the job :pac:.

    But a lot of the large IT companies are offering peanuts this year with there wages as they don't tell you anything about the pay on to they are offering you the job now. Get ready for a few hart attacks with the wages some places are offering now.

    The problem is that IT became so fashionable that too many people trained in IT. The same will happen to science in a few years.


  • #44
    Eugene Norman
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    They were sort of different types of revolution I guess. The start of the industrial revolution was able to produce a lot of stuff for little money. It still needed a human operator, it wouldn't really have been automation more like jigs to increase production. Automation takes people out of the equation.

    I wouldn't have sthought that, factories were a work place open to women. It gave jobs to women were they wouldn't have had a role before. Craftsmen were probably fairly common before the industrial revolution and that would have forced them to operate at small margins. The industrial revolution may have wiped out a lot of the craftsmen but the ones that were left would have been better off.

    You're basically speculating about the past. Women worked in farms. In the industrial revolution some were employed in industry but most workers in physically demanding labour were men. Like mine workers. A lot of women went into service. Most working class women did work, though. Hence the name.

    The early stages of the industrial revolution saw general wage declines ( hence Marx and others assuming an "iron law of wages") and it was only mass mobilisation of unions and some middle class groups ( often religious) that opposed child labour, 7 day weeks and 16 hour days as well as proper remuneration that saw wages increase. It's not inevitable that wages increase in capitalism.

    By the time of Ford it was recognised that increasing wages increased consumerism. And Ford himself understood that his own workers could be purchasers of his cars given a rise. So he did. $5 an hour. Given that some countries in Europe have minimum wages of just 8€ now that's obviously spectacular. He also forced his competitors ( and industry generally) to up their game. Higher wages meant more car sales.


  • #45
    Streetwalker
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    11.50 an hour?? Break out the champagne


  • #46
    Eugene Norman
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    samapple789 wrote: »
    Do you know what made it hard for college grads ?. Jobs bridge as they can try and take on a programer for notting for 9 months if they wonted to.

    Microsoft where only offering 21k this year as a Grad IT Project Manager that is shocking wages considering it incuded no paid overtime.

    Loads of places have really lost it with what wages there offering and they don't tell you to they offer you the job now with how much there going to pay you.

    In IT the juniors are basically learning the ropes. Microsoft will pay less but you will have worked for Microsoft.


  • #47
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,565 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    What qualification do you need to work in IT?


  • #48
    Kintarō Hattori
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    Brianna Quick Brake wrote: »
    Go away out of that. It's only 24k a year. And that's if they get 40 hours a week every week. With little chance of progression.

    I don't work there myself but know that you can work 20, 30 or 40 hours per week. A surprising amount of their workers choose part time. In terms of progression they have supervisors, deputy managers and managers for each of the many departments. If you feel like a change you can apply to work within a different section of the company so you could for example look to leave the checkouts and move into the bedroom/kitchen departments etc for which you'd receive training.
    Once you've moved from checkouts to supervisor to deputy manager to manager of a department to duty manager you can always move elsewhere if you so desired. My point being that it has no less promotion opportunities than most other companies. Factor in higher rates for those with extra training, longer service, bonuses and a pension contribution etc it's not hard to be above the basic pay grade. You also get heavily subsidised food (there are a lot more offerings than in the restaurant).


  • #49
    Eugene Norman
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    What qualification do you need to work in IT?

    It depends what people mean by IT. For programming etc a computer science of equivalent degree ( ie engineering level 8) is often mentioned.


  • #50
    Clandestine
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    They can afford it, I wonder how many small business's can?


  • #51
    Eugene Norman
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    Clandestine wrote: »
    They can afford it, I wonder how many small business's can?

    I suppose that's neither here nor there.


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  • #52
    jester77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭jester77


    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    VAT is lower in Germany.

    How long is a piece of string.

    A person on 24k in Ireland takes home €1726.28 a month
    A person on 24k in Germany takes home €1373.61 a month


  • #53
    awec
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    samapple789 wrote: »
    Do you know what made it hard for college grads ?. Jobs bridge as they can try and take on a programer for notting for 9 months if they wonted to.

    Microsoft where only offering 21k this year as a Grad IT Project Manager that is shocking wages considering it incuded no paid overtime.

    Loads of places have really lost it with what wages there offering and they don't tell you to they offer you the job now with how much there going to pay you.

    This is wrong.

    Also it's a salary, not an hourly wage which means no overtime is normal. Tech companies will more likely give you time off in lieu if you put in extra hours.


  • #54
    Gringo180
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Depends on the amount of hours they get for it, in Aldi they pay nearly €13 to some of them but as far as I know they don't get much more than a 30 hour week.

    Well even if they did cut hours it still benefits the employee as he wouldn't have to work as many hours to earn what he was earning on a lesser wage.


  • #55
    DubDani
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    jester77 wrote: »
    A person on 24k in Ireland takes home €1726.28 a month
    A person on 24k in Germany takes home €1373.61 a month

    The Income Tax systems are so different that it is difficult to compare. If you make the same calculation based on one earner per Family with 2 kids the numbers stack up more in favour of the German worker.


  • #56
    Chain Smoker
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    With a minimum wage of 8.65 in Bumblef*ck, Co. Roscommon you'd really expect the de facto minimum wage around Dublin to be closer to Ikea's rate.


  • #57
    Tigger
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    Chain Smoker wrote: »
    With a minimum wage of 8.65 in Bumblef*ck, Co. Roscommon you'd really expect the de facto minimum wage around Dublin to be closer to Ikea's rate.

    I believe the minimum wage in Dublin should be 20% greater than less developed area and that cork etc should be somewhere in between
    However I believe that the base should be lower so maybe 8.35 in mayo and 10 in Dublin with 9.20 in the cork Limerick Galway type places


  • #58
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    samapple789 wrote: »
    I have been offered 16K a year working as a Database DEV on a college grad program in Dublin no idea how your post to live on that unless you live at home with your mother and father.
    I'm sure you lived on less in college. Just look at it as a chance to get experience.


  • #59
    anncoates
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    Brianna Quick Brake wrote: »
    Go away out of that. It's only 24k a year.

    If the thread was about 24k being a good salary in Dublin, people would be lining up to say no.

    If the thread is about the equivalent hourly rate, it's suddenly an obscene level of remuneration.


  • #60
    darkpagandeath
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    Ha meanwhile Irish businesses say a new minimum wage will give the plebs false wage expectations across the economy.


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  • #61
    Permabear
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