Cork GAA Discussion Thread

munsterlegend · 18-07-2015 09:59PM

I actually think we would have done better with drier conditions. It was not a night for running the ball up the field. We won't beat dublin but will give them a game. Mark Collins tried hard but always looks like he is going to lose possession or get dispossessed.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:09PM

youngbob wrote: »

cutbert was on a hiding to nothing if Cork lost he'd be slated if they won it was a bad Kerry team. If he is a headless chicken what does that make Hurley. he had a dreadful evening. Kerry made a change in first half hour, how our No15 stayed on for so long I couldn't understand. Shields won't want to see his attempt to get another fella booked...shocking. you're given the jersey to represent your county not act the maggot.

Wrong wrong wrong

In my view i said if cuthbhertt beat kerry today considering kerry wanted avoid Dublin this was must win for them and true test them so no he would got credit if they won

Let's keep this in perspective
He's lost another big game and handy also in but for the weather kerry would steam rolled cork

I'd love to be wrong with this management truly i would but
In judging management as many know here with many Cork ones and other counties I'm normally not far off the mark in seeing good and poor manager and I just can't see this set up being good enough as you look at their records in club and inter county scene and it's poor

Soley purely field play this management are not up to it
Cuthbhertt be good administration but not a manager
He's great passion and commitment and should be involved in cork football but not as a manager
There's better men than him to coach cork

Cleary Driscoll ephie Fitzgerald Kisssne ned English all be much much better than this set up
Even doubts remain with some of these i mentioned

Defence one year in with a blanket that begun v sligo has never improved nor has the link of defence to attack
That is poor reflection on managment

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:12PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I actually think we would have done better with drier conditions. It was not a night for running the ball up the field. We won't beat dublin but will give them a game. Mark Collins tried hard but always looks like he is going to lose possession or get dispossessed.

Read Conor McCarthy article I suggest
Ist line control the controllable
We live in ireland
Be realistic

What are you suggesting next we get a ball boy to bring a towel in every stop to dry the ball
Conditions were the same for both teams
Kerry faster attack would have destroyed cork on a dry day and Dublin will too
Dublin will blow this team away
Backs to the wall performance is gone from kerry the ist day
Dublin will not be pretty

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:18PM

Three points from play in seventy minutes of football is awful
We didn't deserve to win

Were haunted we have Kildare and not Galway as one year in Walsh who I always rates as manager doing outstanding work Galway and they would beat Cork we played

Walsh year one Galway done good work
Cuthbhertt two years Cork going back wards
Difference was Walsh had proven record with sligo unlike our management

munsterlegend · 18-07-2015 10:23PM

I am suggesting that running the ball up the field with an overlap is easier in dry conditions. Seems plausible to me. A towel would be no good only a roof over the stadium. We should have adapted but kicking long call in to a full forward line behind their men would be pointless.

Donnacha is great at being in front of his man and I would have taken Hurley off.

munsterlegend · 18-07-2015 10:28PM

I don't rate Brian Hurley at inter county level. He runs up cul de sacs... Kicks impossible shots. Why doesn't he go straight for goal? Plenty talent but very easily marked by a good corner back.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:30PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I am suggesting that running the ball up the field with an overlap is easier in dry conditions. Seems plausible to me. A towel would be no good only a roof over the stadium. We should have adapted but kicking long call in to a full forward line behind their men would be pointless.

Donnacha is great at being in front of his man and I would have taken Hurley off.

Yes your right but kerry would been suited to dry sod with o donughe Gooch geaney etc and kerry appreciate understand space so teams does need dry day more

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:32PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I don't rate Brian Hurley at inter county level. He runs up cul de sacs... Kicks impossible shots. Why doesn't he go straight for goal? Plenty talent but very easily marked by a good corner back.

Good coaching improved player weak spots and develop strength
Tell me who coaching this team
Now I mean coaching actual coaching not training
There completely two different concepts

Do you know cause if you don't I'll tell you if you like
Have you watched cork train under this set up

munsterlegend · 18-07-2015 10:38PM

Well I never played for cork but I always knew kicking Hail Mary shots usually don't come off and you work the ball to a player in a better position. With thst cork team I would be just doing everything not to shoot but just get the ball to
O Neill to score.

As for watching them train no I have not.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:40PM

Kerry brought on galvin as the condition suited

Cork should played the conditions
I was never a fan but game cried out for colm Driscoll in wet conditions he should played sweeper like o mahony and run to half way not beyond it and let Collins who played well sweeper but need creative influence help kelly could pushed forward with colm the sweeper instead in of gould
O rourke injured Collins should moved up
Colm Driscoll would love this type game
Management play him games don't suit him then don't use him game crying out for he's sweeper abilities with Gooch on

Sheehan dominated cork from central forward with creative passing

keano25 · 18-07-2015 10:43PM

We were awful. Hurley should of been pulled off. Kerry were ****e, we were worse.

Neither Cork or Kerry will win an All Ireland this year. Hopefully Cuthbert will stand down.

And what do you get if you leave a Kerryman build a covered stand? Wet.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:43PM

munsterlegend wrote: »

Well I never played for cork but I always knew kicking Hail Mary shots usually don't come off and you work the ball to a player in a better position. With thst cork team I would be just doing everything not to shoot but just get the ball to
O Neill to score.

As for watching them train no I have not.

I agree totally with your points

That's my point cork half forward wasn't creative kick passing it was based on running game
It was poor reflection management
Like rugby team in pissing rain trying to run everything
When common sense is game management by kicking game
Kerry kicked to pick cork off and only hand passed when wanted slow the game down
Kerry controlled the game from the start to finish

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 10:45PM

keano25 wrote: »

We were awful. Hurley should of been pulled off. Kerry were ****e, we were worse.

Neither Cork or Kerry will win an All Ireland this year. Hopefully Cuthbert will stand down.

And what do you get if you leave a Kerryman build a covered stand? Wet.

Kerry have huge defensive problem but kerry improve and while Dublin are able to expose them kerry have had tests that Dublin wont likely get

Kerry are kerry the longer their around they always find a way
They evolve

keano25 · 18-07-2015 10:50PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Kerry have huge defensive problem but kerry improve and while Dublin are able to expose them kerry have had tests that Dublin wont likely get

Kerry are kerry the longer their around they always find a way
They evolve

I agree. But I'm sick of going down to Killarney and playing straight into their hands. We do it everytime. Occasion always seems to get the better of the Cork teams down there as has shown in the past when we get the replay in Cork we usually thump them. A very poor Kerry side at the moment and an as bad Cork team.

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:02PM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/cuthbert-question-will-be-answered-today-31352152.html

Everything said here is absoultey correct as every game has proved

Barry driscoll half back expirence is not right in better half forward he'd poor game and taken off and one game again complacent kerry did not prove anything

Kilkenny and flynn will cause cause huge defence problem as both Dublin players have work rate and pace track the counter attack of cork but when they get turn over they will hit cork on the break
The part about the phenomenon management is modern day with all talk modern cliches is one hundred percent correct as proven again but what worse is actually some belive it

The only thing wrong with that article was if happened this game than the ist day
But that have no doubt was kerry complacent and off the boil and more kerry didn't do than what cork did
I said this after the last day

Interesting brolly now who changed sail with Cork what he says now
I never fan anyone critsed team defeat then jump bandwagon false dawns win then loose critse them again
Imo consistent views you get more respect

Tomas o se and masters were right
Derek daly said it cork needed news script this game
Mcgenney talked the talk with armagh and our management is similar they talk a great game but that's all it is

Worse thing going forward nothing will be learned as interview after match management said they felt up kerry Goal they were in control game
Sorry now and it saddens me to say it we were never in control this game

acequion · 18-07-2015 11:03PM

keano25 wrote: »

I agree. But I'm sick of going down to Killarney and playing straight into their hands. We do it everytime. Occasion always seems to get the better of the Cork teams down there as has shown in the past when we get the replay in Cork we usually thump them. A very poor Kerry side at the moment and an as bad Cork team.

Your "very poor Kerry side" happen to be the All Ireland Champions and have a first class manager.

And actually your Cork team aren't so bad either. Don't be such a bitter loser!

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:16PM

keano25 wrote: »

I agree. But I'm sick of going down to Killarney and playing straight into their hands. We do it everytime. Occasion always seems to get the better of the Cork teams down there as has shown in the past when we get the replay in Cork we usually thump them. A very poor Kerry side at the moment and an as bad Cork team.

Kerry normally don't care bout games in cork
History shows kerry always win important games against cork and ones they want and that's the real sickening think

Look next year in the league this management will hose kerry in cork and some will get carried away
Fact is despite kerry taking the yerra they want to win point is they don't give a monkeys unless it's championship and in kerry
One of the worst performance in ten years in kerry imo by cork senior team
Huge set back in golden opportunity was had get start kerry in transition but fitzmaurice well truly has cork number at senior

Cuthbhertt probably get three year extension

And jack after under twenty one winners all ireland next year or two will then take on kerry another term while Fitz take break
Kerry will dominant cork next five years
Lot cork lads beat kerry under age Now lost huge confidence had over kerry teams in lost now to kerry last four years and like old cork team going forward will be beaten before ball is thrown in
Only way forward is new management but has happened fast

Too late to change now but to start the process for next year sack currently management now and yes loose Dublin but might well get new management in now

We're going nowhere under this set up and players made look poorer than there are

O Connor experiment will imo be what I always feared exposed for real lack of pace outside munster when faces Dublin just like two years ago
Cork management probably have Stephen Cronin awesome player but small marking physical Paul flynn while loughrey marks brogan and half back line be too attack minded and gould probably start midfield the next day as gould will have man match v Kildare as he always does in those games

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:18PM

acequion wrote: »

Your "very poor Kerry side" happen to be the All Ireland Champions and have a first class manager.

And actually your Cork team aren't so bad either. Don't be such a bitter loser!

Congratulations on the win
Kerry no where near as great old teams but have system and outstanding coach and management get everything out this team

Cork are awful in play as individuals but never once played imo as team under this set up

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:23PM

http://www.the42.ie/peter-creedon-tipperary-resignation-2224247-Jul2015/

See such a humble management and he done well with tippeary and under twenty ones he knew call it day

Cutbert as selector and manager is in year three
But he won't imo resign
He'll ask for new term

keep going · 18-07-2015 11:25PM

The game was up as soon as o conner got yellow after that everything went according to plan

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:36PM

keep going wrote: »

The game was up as soon as o conner got yellow after that everything went according to plan

Kerry had him targeted
Cork management school boy naivety couldn't see he needed protection
Put him in full-forward shows no tactical game plan
Mahony was delighted as sweeper

Bit like you need try rugby you can not create try out of guile or cohesion so all you know is right I'll kick a garryowen up and under huge kick in the sky so high it gathers snow you hope the full back does a Webb in drops ball England v ireland thirty years ago and Brendan mullins runs in to the corner for a match winning try
Odd day it comes off but most days it won't
Cork could not out think kerry so we resorted to kick and hope hail Marys and pray that the wet day we would get a break

Management probably think cork lost as we got no breaks no luck etc
Usual nonsense when it's clear as dawn breaks day we had no game plan and no plan b

Kerry were laughing at us when brought on galvin
Eammon Murphy tweeted that tonight
He's right
Course I said kerry laughing cork months ago I was the villain here
I was only calling it as it was
Kerry are laughing at cork tonight have no doubt
And we can't blame them
There laughing as Cork though that they arrived at the top table but kerry know there are no where near that level

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:58PM

http://m.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2015/0718/715753-fitzmaurice-we-won-a/

He's great manager and you can't fault him but imo rubbing it in to cork we had serious battle etc etc
Like mick o dwyer line we beaten second team best ireland every year winning munster

In truth imo he won't admit it but kerry new for this game they had cork number

A truly sickening defeat but not unexpected

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:59PM

Where Kildare game on please

thinkstoomuch1 · 18-07-2015 11:59PM

Hurling on the sunday another expense for Cork fans

keano25 · 19-07-2015 12:36AM

acequion wrote: »

Your "very poor Kerry side" happen to be the All Ireland Champions and have a first class manager.

And actually your Cork team aren't so bad either. Don't be such a bitter loser!

There's maybe 4-5 top class Kerry players at the moment. For as long as I can remember Kerry have always had 10-12 top class players starting so yes in my opinion this is a poor Kerry side.

And Cork are a poor team, they lack leadership on and off the field and they also lack scorers. Besides the forwards I would be interested to see how many scores have come from midfield or defensive positions throughout league and championship games the last 2-3 years.

thinkstoomuch1 · 19-07-2015 12:50AM

keano25 wrote: »

There's maybe 4-5 top class Kerry players at the moment. For as long as I can remember Kerry have always had 10-12 top class players starting so yes in my opinion this is a poor Kerry side.

And Cork are a poor team, they lack leadership on and off the field and they also lack scorers. Besides the forwards I would be interested to see how many scores have come from midfield or defensive positions throughout league and championship games the last 2-3 years.

Look this is simple and there's no need to complicate things from cork view point

Cork have leaders kelly sullivan Shields loughrey o Connor o Neill all leaders

Problem is how in God's name can loughrey lead when he's played corner back out position

How can kelly lead when kerry dominate midfield he gets no ball

O Connor is leader but moran maher sheehan had him covered

Donnacha outstanding but how in God's name can be leader when he's subbed like last week crucial part game

Look the real inditement management is shown by kerry leading by a point had two subs two forward in the Gooch and geaney were going for the win before cork made sub
Kerry brought on two games changers cork then brings on gould later
With greatest respect him he's not game changer against kerry

That's sums up this management in a nutshell compounded by the fact only one change bar the enforced one to kerry four from the drawn game plus kerry played the conditions

It's common sense surely weather forecast was taken in advance
I posted Thursday weather was bad and Cork running game would not be suited to the weather
Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why can't this management team see what fans can
I'm not being harsh seriously this is basically basic basic management skills you expect
They were naive in thought they turn up as it was the ist game and thought kerry would roll over
The cork goal was great and saved us but Cork real real trouble before then and couldn't break kerry down

thinkstoomuch1 · 19-07-2015 01:05AM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/gaelic-football/10-key-issues-that-could-decide-the-munster-final-replay-between-cork-and-kerry-31356865.html

Interesting points

Good thing from Cork is there's so much to improve also but that's the key
Defence can and has to improve
Scoring and link between attack and defence has to also

Three other key points have to improve i think

Cork need more better spread of players than four to score
We still like in keys periods last year this year don't do great teams do yet in great teams when out games still manages keep score board ticking over

Ronan o gara always said hallmarks great Munster wins was they always kept the score board ticking over

We scores just one two play in the ist half of football and yet in the second half didn't score from play for twenty minutes of the final part of the game bar a goal

We are not scoring enough points in long periods from play at key moments for long spells
If and you expect worst play kerry as only then you ready every eventually and prevention better any cure kerry stop goals then cork need greater point scoring return
We can still get a goal but if we get one and not two we have to make up the difference points wise

Cork done a lot right in the build up last week particularly with shut mouth catches no flies in they were brilliant all credit due by saying little in building up to the game

They be fair deserve credit they learned from before
Same approach should be said and if have to give one interview but say kerry are team beat all ireland champions die hard and it wasn't the real kerry the ist day in Kerry will be harder to beat the next day
Say how mayo found it hard last year in the replay and Cork are building etc
Yerra mode has to be full throttle
Obviously closed doors you tell players belive you can win
Sean mac was right he said Cork need to close shop again for the replay
There's a song should be played every cork panel members between now two weeksin the less said the betterin the build up to the game
It's you say it best when you say nothing at all by boy zone

There's no hiding place this time for either team and ist time in yonks we l won't get phoney war munster final asthe way the structure draw is with Dublin waiting who ever looses in truth looses possibly of more than a munster final
The stakes have never been higher for both teams for championship football

Cork loose it means likely loose Dublin so another season two big games losses and it hinders true evolution and progress

Kerry loose there real danger going out early and won't go down well in kerry in least expect is strong showing defence all ireland title

I posted that after the draw game
Concerns I had were clearly there but ignored by management and that's why I blame the management
Nearly twenty minutes again with out score

All blacks say once accident twice is trend
It's now trend cork awful attacking and awful Blanket defence

thinkstoomuch1 · 19-07-2015 01:35AM

Gary Neville wrote: »

TTM - you are losing the plot wrt Cork Footballers.

I never said that Kerry don't respect Cork. Fitzm said he expected a very tough game and got it - he also admitted that they were fortunate to get a draw.

Loughrey did well on JOD - who was regarded as the country's most dangerous foward and was usuall double marked, in the closing stages, last year. Kerry got on top at MF in the 2nd quarter and we lost our way, a bit. Keane and JOD got good ball and converted a few - Kerry with good possession and space are adept at expert kick passing to their forwards - it's very difficult for defenders in such circumstances.

Kerry were gifted 2 goals but they were worth more than 6 points as they came when Kerry were on the ropes and gave them big momentum.

Cork have excellent players and now that the management has learned from last year and is performing - we are a very good side. We can beat every side apart from Dublin IMO - we'd need huge luck and improvement to match the Dubs.

You need to acknowledge that our management team are doing very well this year.

You will hopefully learn one swallow doesn't make a summer
This isn't by the way a told you so merely point out before you say I'm loosing the plot again with respect hopefully you won't get that confused with realism

I point this out now as you probably will have view cork still in good place after tonight management learned and cadogan was huge loss as was weather you will probably blame
It's just it's predicable what your view is now

Cadogan no real loss in great player but as I said prior to throw in he's replaced by sullivan at full back and like for like and sullivan was outstanding and held Donaghey so cadogan would best just done that no extra bonus to cork
Sullivan is excellent but isn't half back but have no doubt cads back him sullivan play half back and sullivan as proven before at half back as no pace that role and cads if there centre back too attack minded

You said here clear signs cork management had learned
No they did not as if they did wouldn't started same team bar sullivan v kerry, prevailed running game when everyone knew it was going to rain and again like ist day slow make changes as seen by kerry two changes before cork made one and then gould brought on when deane or colm Driscoll would been ideal come on

You said here you think we have no chance v Dublin and we need luck

Will you change this view when we beat Kildare in to Dublin to we can actually beat them?
You probably will and fair enough that's your opinion if so

Is admire your enthusiasm and optimistic views I once like that but Cork football thought me be realistic and Cork haven't a hope v Dublin who won't be naive like last year as Gavin admitted made mistakes then, Dublin beat defence country and Cork can't score with just three points from play

Kerry conceded seven goal three games gave cork hope
Dublin will at best if even conceded just one goal
Just six points conceded last week
Fair play westmeath got same cork tonight six points against Dublin last week with no where near forwards we have against much better defence than kerry
Yes cork got goal

Midfield is like kerry there good and sullivan pace cause o Connor problem

Cork defence worst out top four teams in country and conceded huge amounts in challenges championship and league since implementation this myth of so called blanket defence last July v sligo

Dublin attack with flynn and Kilkenny tracking cork all out half back attack will counter at pace and with rock free taker real quality connolly brogan mceonmsn they will with Kilkenny and flynn also scoring threats get high score v Cork and Cork won't be able to match that

Due to basket ball coach mark ingle Dublin defend space in zonal area rather than man mark and know too well Cork all year can't score long distance so they will actually leave cork go deep for the ball while they always protecting the d zone and unlike kerry poor defence cork face best defence in the country and imo a ruthless Dublin will beat Cork hugely

Cork have problems but Kildare are truly awful with greatest respect to them and while cork at worst could struggle they will beat Kildare but not a chance imo Dublin will loose to anyone bar kerry or Donegal if even that

Cork imo contrary your views would not beat Donegal and I think Galway excellent Walsh manager would beat Cork
You need to acknowledge that our management team have not made much improvement this year bar the excellent Flanagan lot same old problem remain and kerry ist day imo like I said were complacent by picking weaker team and also warm weather camp month before cork way off training

Fitzmaurice said it tonight kerry trained hard the last two weeks
And kerry weren't complacent and always control winning this game even if Cronin got goal kerry would came back again

So far we had league thank fully we stayed up but lot close wins and false dawns poor game v clare and draw moral victory kerry but tonight another poor performance so all in all marginal improvement from Cork but with a very talented panel imo under performing and a lot is down to management imo

Amprodude · 19-07-2015 02:50AM

munsterlegend wrote: »

I don't rate Brian Hurley at inter county level. He runs up cul de sacs... Kicks impossible shots. Why doesn't he go straight for goal? Plenty talent but very easily marked by a good corner back.

Exactly. He has talent but always does the wrong thing.

Amprodude · 19-07-2015 03:01AM

Kildare might do us a favour, sure we will get a tanking from Dublin anyway. Cork football is a shambles. 300 clubs or so if I'm right and we can't find a top class 15 players. Something wrong somewhere, politics of the GAA in the county rotten to the core it seems. Kerry are good but sometimes I do think Cork play into their hands, we don't have a jim McGuinness who would change the psychology of the players, they know they are beaten before they ever go into battle. Kerry smell defeat by Cork before the ball is ever thrown in and the Kerry fans love dishing out the joy of winning each time they beat Cork. It's so common now that it's second nature to them. That may never change until we wipe out the panel with fresh players and get a good manager.

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