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Is the media making Merkel a villain? Is she one?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,964 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    TallGlass wrote: »
    Was only looking at Germany yesterday and the funking size of the country its huge.

    It used to be bigger.

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭jjC123


    In general, I like her,but I don't agree with her views on SSM at all.

    I am also a huge science nerd (and a female) and she is a physical chemist who went on to become the first female Chancellor of Germany and the 2nd most powerful person in the world, according to Forbes. So I really can't help but respect her. Alot.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Shes been an astonishingly successful Chancellor in Germany, admirable.
    All the same, if the Taoiseach of our own country came out with such a statement, he'd likely be lampooned as an embarrassing Irish eejit.

    And if FG renamed themselves the Christian Democrats and were headed by an evangelical Christian, I suspect they'd haemorrage liberal voters.

    What surprises me is that such an influential figure in European politics, and in fact Irish politics, can get away with this; I suspect she's tremendously popular in Ireland in a way no Irish politician would be... especially amongst liberals.

    I'm not sure why that is. Her very orthodox views have a big influence on European social policy and the Eurozone.

    I don't want to see her demonised for her views. I am sure she is sincere and well-meaning. But lets face it, even Harney and the PDs were more electable than Merkel would be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Merkel is the finest post Cold War politician that Europe has seen. A leader of extraordinary intellect and vision. The Christian Democrat parties in Germany have been the anchor of reason and practicality since the country was reunited. History will treat her very kindly.


  • Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    She isnt the worst German leader ever

    Just when I was hoping everybody in a thread relating to Germany was, for the first time, trying to be original.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    Whatever about her personality or domestic politics, she's the leader of the country that just slammed Greece with a modern-day Versailles treaty, and which actively vetos reform of a monetary union, that inherently benefits Germany (making them artificially competitive on exports/trade) and holds all other Euro countries down (making them artificially less competitive to Germany, on exports/trade).

    Not enough people realise this yet, but the economic crisis for periphery countries was practically built-in to the Euro (probably out of stupidity more than malice), and it's Germany blocking any possibility of reform (and who will probably permanently block reform within our lifetimes), where the only real reform that will fix it is moving towards fiscal union.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 969 ✭✭✭JacquesDeLad


    All the same, if the Taoiseach of our own country came out with such a statement, he'd likely be lampooned as an embarrassing Irish eejit.

    And if FG renamed themselves the Christian Democrats and were headed by an evangelical Christian, I suspect they'd haemorrage liberal voters.

    What surprises me is that such an influential figure in European politics, and in fact Irish politics, can get away with this; I suspect she's tremendously popular in Ireland in a way no Irish politician would be... especially amongst liberals.

    I'm not sure why that is. Her very orthodox views have a big influence on European social policy and the Eurozone.

    I don't want to see her demonised for her views. I am sure she is sincere and well-meaning. But lets face it, even Harney and the PDs were more electable than Merkel would be.

    While some might imagine and dream of a Socialist utopia, she grew up with it.

    I take experience over fairytales anytime. :)

    She's still pretty Socialist. :rolleyes:

    If the Greeks said about the Irish what they've said about the Germans, they'd have the most Social Media'd charcoal embassy on the planet.

    A Taoiseach like Gerry Adams would call for calm but understand why someone, unrelated to Sinn Fein, would launch an improvised barrel bomb attack on a Greek restaurant in retaliation.

    She's more Socialist than Gerry imo.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    While some might imagine and dream of a Socialist utopia, she grew up with it.

    I take experience over fairytales anytime. :)

    She's still pretty Socialist. :rolleyes:

    If the Greeks said about the Irish what they've said about the Germans, they'd have the most Social Media'd charcoal embassy on the planet.

    A Taoiseach like Gerry Adams would call for calm but understand why someone, unrelated to Sinn Fein, would launch an improvised barrel bomb attack on a Greek restaurant in retaliation.

    She's more Socialist than Gerry imo.
    No idea what's going on in that post... Merkel's apparently a socialist with random references to Gerry Adams...?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 969 ✭✭✭JacquesDeLad


    No idea what's going on in that post... Merkel's apparently a socialist with random references to Gerry Adams...?

    When you've no ideas... look to Sinn Fein. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 269 ✭✭Public_Enema


    Merkel is the finest post Cold War politician that Europe has seen. A leader of extraordinary intellect and vision. The Christian Democrat parties in Germany have been the anchor of reason and practicality since the country was reunited. History will treat her very kindly.

    Such overinflated praise leads to believe you may have hit the cider earlier than normal tonight. German history will treat her kindly but that's it. She did a good job of protecting her banks, from the losses they should have faced for their high risk credit provision. The Euro project has been a win-win for the Germans, their banks gambling have been covered by European taxpayers, and non more heroically than the Irish. But after what has happened to Greece this past week, the mask has slipped somewhat and many people across Europe were disturbed by what they witnessed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,798 ✭✭✭goose2005


    So she actually told the girl the truth rather than saying "ah shure come on over and bring your cousins". God forbid a politician actually not take the easiest route

    And what does twice-married have to do with it? She's Lutheran, they allow divorce.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    She's a cnut. Most Germans are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Such overinflated praise leads to believe you may have hit the cider earlier than normal tonight. German history will treat her kindly but that's it. She did a good job of protecting her banks, from the losses they should have faced for their high risk credit provision. The Euro project has been a win-win for the Germans, their banks gambling have been covered by European taxpayers, and non more heroically than the Irish. But after what has happened to Greece this past week, the mask has slipped somewhat and many people across Europe were disturbed by what they witnessed.

    I think you're the one who's had too much cider tonight.

    She's effectively become Europe's leader through no fault of her own; Cameron is afraid to be seen in Brussels because a large portion of his party hate seeing Britain in the EU, and Hollande and France's economy is not strong enough to lead. The shinners love to portray her as a bully who's hellbent on controlling Europe when she's anything but.

    The Euro crisis has been a disaster for Germany and Merkel; they've lost a heap of money pumping bailouts into Greece which they may never earn back, confidence in the european economy is at rock bottom, and Merkel faces destroying her otherwise great leadership by continuing to give even more money to the clowns from Athens.

    I wasn't disturbed by what happened this week. I'm glad that arsehole Tsipras got what he deserved and hopefully the Greek people will learn what happens when you vote these left wing nutjobs into Govt.


  • Posts: 14,242 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    goose2005 wrote: »
    So she actually told the girl the truth rather than saying "ah shure come on over and bring your cousins". God forbid a politician actually not take the easiest route
    Nobody in the thread claimed that was the alternative. Some people would probably form the opinion that adults should try maintain some sensitivity around crying refugee teenagers facing deportation.
    goose2005 wrote: »
    And what does twice-married have to do with it? She's Lutheran, they allow divorce.
    Some allow remarriage after divorce, others don't.

    Of course, some Lutherans also approve of same-sex marriage, I'm not sure whether Merkel's personal church is more evangelical on either issue.

    Either way, rejecting one and approving the other comes across as a self-serving bias. Rejecting one and not the other doesn't seem like a consistent view on the sanctity of marriage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,062 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    The best leader among the powerful nations, I'd vote for her if i was German and history will judge her well imo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    She's a cnut. Most Germans are.

    Wouldn't go that far now. Tar and brush etc... Enda Kenny springs to mind, what did he say yesterday regards Irish water? Something along the lines of the people once other people pay for it they don't care, ah sure Enda who paid for the bank bailout.

    I just hope the Germans don't think we are all like Enda. Which leads me onto my next question, is been a TD more like a social thing? Once your a popular type of person you'll get voted in not really have a clue whats going on, get a few of the lads that maybe have an idea of whats going on to tell you what they think is going on?

    Or is it just become a TD then make up a load of promises to the people then don't do anything what you said.

    As far as I am concerned it might aswell be FF in power at the moment, they had bully boy tactics and FG have them also, is it just unheard of that a political party can understand that the electorate might know whats going on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Vandango


    The Euro crisis has been a disaster for Germany and Merkel; they've lost a heap of money pumping bailouts into Greece which they may never earn back

    Ah will you stop, no country has benefitted as much as German has under the Euro. You think they've lost a lot of money in Greece? Yet just think of all the money the Irish taxpayer saved them, by shielding those big German creditors from the losses they should have taken. Yes revisionist spin tries to deny that reality, but it is what it is.

    Merkel faces destroying her otherwise great leadership by continuing to give even more money to the clowns from Athens.

    Oh you mean the clowns that were willing accepted into the Euro by Geramny? The clowns that Goldman Sachs fraudulently cooked the books for, to help gain admittance to the Euro club. And the German banks, knowing all of this and with the full knowledge of Greece's poor record of economic management, willing dealt out lots of cheap credit. And why? Because obedient puppets like Merkel would obey. Puppets like her and Lenihan & co, nationalised their private debt and transferred that private debt onto the shoulders of the eurpoean taxpayers.
    I'm glad that arsehole Tsipras got what he deserved and hopefully the Greek people will learn what happens when you vote these left wing nutjobs into Govt.

    Isn't democracy a bítch? Yes lets punish the people for not leaning to the the far right obedient drone mantra. Hitler needed to use tanks and planes to bring nations to heel. Today Merkel and her ilk merely need to use ATM machines. Something did change in europe after what happened last week and it has left a very bad taste in people's mouths.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    A European leader who is popular at home is likely to be distrusted in Europe.Yes she is an Ossi,but she has the soul of a Schwabian gelbfusser wife.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭Hans Bricks


    She upset a Palestinian refugee. That's bound to get the blog and twittosphere champagne socialists into a frenzy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,365 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Vandango wrote: »
    Something did change in europe after what happened last week

    Yes, the crackpots of Sinn Féin, Podemos and Syriza have been crushed by our German friends and we owe them a great debt of gratitude for this.


    The Germans played very well. I endorse fully their no-nonsense approach against Greece - a country that is the sponger of the European taxpayer and should not be in the euro in the first place.

    I guess we will leave it to Germany to say the last rites on their euro membership when taxpayers in Ireland would have to pay €1.4bn contribution to bail out such a feckless country.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    That's one thing she has in common with Syriza anyway. They don't want same sex marriage in Greece either.

    If she looks east and south she will see only countries which either limit marriage to man woman, or which completely ignore the subject of SSM. To the west there are some countries like Ireland which have SSM but it is by no means a settled issue in much of Europe.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    Vandango wrote: »
    Hitler needed to use tanks and planes to bring nations to heel. Today Merkel and her ilk merely need to use ATM machines.

    I think you've said enough tonight..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I'd love some maultaschen washed down with a few bottles of Rothaus Pils Tannen Zäpfle now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,964 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    What surprises me is that such an influential figure in European politics, and in fact Irish politics, can get away with this; I suspect she's tremendously popular in Ireland in a way no Irish politician would be... especially amongst liberals.

    Libertarians maybe. Certainly not Liberals.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    To the west there are some countries like Ireland which have SSM but it is by no means a settled issue in much of Europe.
    And Britain, France, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, Spain, Portugal


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,335 ✭✭✭wendell borton


    She doing what's best for her own country rather than being a lick are to the rest of Europe unlike our own leaders.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭dissed doc


    Whatever about her personality or domestic politics, she's the leader of the country that just slammed Greece with a modern-day Versailles treaty, and which actively vetos reform of a monetary union, that inherently benefits Germany (making them artificially competitive on exports/trade) and holds all other Euro countries down (making them artificially less competitive to Germany, on exports/trade).

    Europe needs a crisis as a union that is resolved without reverting to war, but instead with diplomacy. This is not the first time Greece has defaulted, it has done so about 500 times in the last century. This time, the plan to prevent it happening again and becoming a military dictaorship or "Defecting" under the Asia Minor or Russian sphere.

    It has nothing to do with the Euro. What has happened, has happened over and over in Greece for decades.

    "It is all the fault of Brussels" is easy to grasp and reductionist, so not a suprise that Anglophone media would focus on it. Plenty of countries both within the EU and in or outside the Euro are doing just fine. The presence of Euro has simply forced the weaker countries to get their sh1t together, like Ireland, which did (although by retaining as much of a welfare state as possible, thus hammering home grown businesses and middle class, which has its own consequences, but that is how FG FF and the political class decided it should be).
    Not enough people realise this yet, but the economic crisis for periphery countries was practically built-in to the Euro (probably out of stupidity more than malice), and it's Germany blocking any possibility of reform (and who will probably permanently block reform within our lifetimes), where the only real reform that will fix it is moving towards fiscal union.

    By reform you really mean lose fiscal policies. It would be a step backwards and whoever is the big dog calls the shots. America is world police with regard to the Army and wars, Germany is Europe Police with regard to debt and finances. No bad thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,772 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    she was a bit too blunt and forthright.
    A German was too blunt and forthright? Where will it end?

    At least she didn't tell the little girl to move along because she was sitting on her towel.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,462 ✭✭✭blinding


    TallGlass wrote: »
    Was only looking at Germany yesterday and the funking size of the country its huge.
    It still wasn't big enough for them before the second world war.

    Its big enough and they have enough but they don't always see it this way.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,867 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    , and which actively vetos reform of a monetary union, that inherently benefits Germany (making them artificially competitive on exports/trade) .


    I don't think this deal will benefit Germany in the long term because I don't think Greece can ever pay their debts.

    What will happen is that the EU/IMF/GERMANY/WHOEVER will throw good money after bad by giving Greece another bailout. They will wind up losing even more money than they are presently in the hole for because it's pretty much impossible for Greece to trade their way out of their debt.


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