The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

Wompa1 · 16-07-2015 04:29PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

If they really wanted him they would take him. I'm pretty sure a F-16 doesn't care about legal mombo jombo. Where just lucky we have good relations with the US. Look at your man Mozzam Begg they really wanted him so they took him. Same when Irish-British relations went to **** in 70's & 80's they wanted Gerry Conlon so they took him. There was also the Flagstaff Hill incident when the Garda & Irish Army arrested 8 SAS men who were found in the Republic on a mission to take someone from Co.Monaghan into British jurisdiction or kill him. There was also that priest they wanted around 87 or 88 who they thought was a IRA member, luckily relations had improved somewhat by then.

Yeah, that's not on. What the US have done in Yemen and Pakistan is pretty outrageous but this case in the OP is a whole other ball of wax

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:31PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

FYP for you there horse, You seem to have found him guilty no matter what.

I forgot he was modding a hello kitty island adventure server. On can say allegedly all one wants the Americans are seeking though the Irish courts his extradition to face charges. Or is that Alleged charges.

knucklehead6 · 16-07-2015 04:32PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

If they really wanted him they would take him. I'm pretty sure a F-16 doesn't care about legal mombo jombo. Where just lucky we have good relations with the US. Look at your man Mozzam Begg they really wanted him so they took him. Same when Irish-British relations went to **** in 70's & 80's they wanted Gerry Conlon so they took him. There was also the Flagstaff Hill incident when the Garda & Irish Army arrested 8 SAS men who were found in the Republic on a mission to take someone from Co.Monaghan into British jurisdiction or kill him. We wanted to question people over the Dublin & Monaghan bombings we couldn't. There was also that priest they wanted around 87 or 88 who they thought was a IRA member, luckily relations had improved somewhat by then.

About the only thing you said there that makes any sort of sense is that an F-16 doesn't care about legal mumbo jumbo.

Then again, an F-16 IS an inanimate object.

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:33PM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

From what news sources are saying about this site, child porn or any of that malarkey is not allowed on the site, so saying he's assisting pedophiles is very cheap and emotive. I don't know enough about laws to know if he's commited anything by being a moderator but he should not be extradited either way.

Someone would have to see it and remove it. And also not report it to the Police. You know like a mod or an admin.

Smiles35 · 16-07-2015 04:33PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

What if you sent the drugs through the mail. They went into America and then onto their destination?

The postal system is an interesting way of looking at it. Let's face it, the chap didnt invent the infrastructure.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-07-2015 04:33PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Key word. NEVER

Of course they have extradited criminals. It's stupid to suggest they haven't. If a individual cases are grounds for saying never then..Russia have Snowden. Roman Polanski has been kept in multiple countries, Assange etc. etc. etc.

I wouldn't say those countries NEVER extradite criminals.

Where did I say they NEVER extradited people?

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:35PM

Noblong wrote: »

The postal system is an interesting way of looking at it. Let's face it, the chap didnt invent the infrastructure.

Nope he did not, But he did moderate Illegal activity.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-07-2015 04:35PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I forgot he was modding a hello kitty island adventure server. On can say allegedly all one wants the Americans are seeking though the Irish courts his extradition to face charges. Or is that Alleged charges.

If you have evidence of him facilitating crime then maybe you should head to the court and submit it, Otherwise it's innocent until proven guilty, Welcome Ireland.

Wompa1 · 16-07-2015 04:37PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Where did I say they NEVER extradited people?

The post which I replied to said never....you then replied to me with that example

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-07-2015 04:38PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Nope he did not, But he did moderate Illegal activity.

And by your train of thought the mods/admin on here are moderating illegal activity.

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:38PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If you have evidence of him facilitating crime then maybe you should head to the court and submit it, Otherwise it's innocent until proven guilty, Welcome Ireland.

I don't need to the Americans are doing that. And the Irish courts are deciding on whether to allow extradition to face charges.

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:38PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And by your train of thought the mods/admin on here are moderating illegal activity.

Why who is selling drugs for example ?

Wompa1 · 16-07-2015 04:38PM

Noblong wrote: »

The postal system is an interesting way of looking at it. Let's face it, the chap didnt invent the infrastructure.

No, he didn't. I don't think he will be extradited unless there's more to the story. It's possible that there is more to the story.

Lemsiper · 16-07-2015 04:39PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Nope he did not, But he did moderate Illegal activity.

When was he found guilty of that? I missed it.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-07-2015 04:40PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

The post which I replied to said never....you then replied to me with that example

This post

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Yes but as we've pointed out remedially in this thread the only country that thinks it's laws are universal is the U.S. It's a crime to criticise Muhammad in many countries and your internet scribblings can be read anywhere. Yet if you criticise Muhammad don't expect an extradition to Saudi. Or an attempt at extradition.

Also the U.S. forces it's laws on other countries while refusing to extradite both American citizens and even non Americans for much greater crimes.

Sweetheart.

the alliance I am hoping for will be as much European as Russian. It will be primarily be anti-American. And gay rights aren't the only rights - the right to not be murdered in your millions by an imperial power that counterfeited claims of weapons of mass destruction is unarguably a greater right.

( not that the U.S. led the way on gay rights, nor would most of its population have voted for gay marriage were it not judicially forced upon them by the courts)

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:41PM

Lemsiper wrote: »

When was he found guilty of that? I missed it.

Why would they want to extradite someone who did not break any law ? Yes he is innocent until he is found guilty of a crime. That does not stop them requesting extradition to bring him before a court of law.

RedemptionZ · 16-07-2015 04:42PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Someone would have to see it and remove it. And also not report it to the Police. You know like a mod or an admin.

Definitely plausible. However I assume there are far more permitting forums in the deep web that anyone who knows about the Silk Road probably knows about them too, and thus there wouldn't really be a need. I'm under the impression that it was basically just used for drugs and that's what it was known for. Kind of like I wouldn't go to a car forum and start a thread about where to get football boots. I've never been on the site though so I don't know what it's like, maybe they have an off topic forum where other illegal things were posted

Wompa1 · 16-07-2015 04:43PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This post

Sorry then...It looks like the post was edited...

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-07-2015 04:43PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why who is selling drugs for example ?

The prophet Mohammed was a paedophile.

There you go I have just broken a law somewhere, If the mods don't remove that and report me to the police then they are (by your own definition) facilitating illegal activity.

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:44PM

RedemptionZ wrote: »

Definitely plausible. However I assume there are far more permitting forums in the deep web that anyone who knows about the Silk Road probably knows about them too, and thus there wouldn't really be a need. I'm under the impression that it was basically just used for drugs and that's what it was known for. Kind of like I wouldn't go to a car forum and start a thread about where to get football boots. I've never been on the site though so I don't know what it's like, maybe they have an off topic forum where other illegal things were posted

True.

Lemsiper · 16-07-2015 04:44PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why would they want to extradite someone who did not break any law ? Yes he is innocent until he is found guilty of a crime. That does not stop them requesting extradition to bring him before a court of law.

Oh, it's just you basically said he was guilty. Thought you knew something we didn't.

Eugene Norman · 16-07-2015 04:46PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

This post

I should have said rarely. Clearly they extradite to Israel for instance. However there are plenty of examples where the U.S. refuses to extradite for crimes it expects extradition to the states.

By and large historically to be extradited anywhere you had to commit a crime in the country demanding the extradition by physically bring there to commit the crime. The U.S. Is now claiming worldwide jurisdiction.

darkpagandeath · 16-07-2015 04:47PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The prophet Mohammed was a paedophile.

There you go I have just broken a law somewhere, If the mods don't remove that and report me to the police then they are (by your own definition) facilitating illegal activity.

Well here for a start but I willing to bet you won't be pursued for it under the Blasphemy law. It's a bit silly comparing freedom of speech with facilitating the sale of illegal drugs.

Timberrrrrrrr · 16-07-2015 04:49PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Well here for a start but I willing to bet you won't be pursued for it under the Blasphemy law. It's a bit silly comparing freedom of speech with facilitating the sale of illegal drugs.

But I have just broken the law, You have it right there in front of you, by not reporting me to the police you are facilitating criminal activity as are the mods and admin of the site.

Wompa1 · 16-07-2015 04:52PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I should have said rarely. Clearly they extradite to Israel for instance. However there are plenty of examples where the U.S. refuses to extradite for crimes it expects extradition to the states.

By and large historically to be extradited anywhere you had to commit a crime in the country demanding the extradition by physically bring there to commit the crime. The U.S. Is now claiming worldwide jurisdiction.

Not that it's a good example BUT a guy was arrested in UAE for complaining about his employers whilst on holiday back home. He was arrested when he got back to the country. Technically, his crime was committed when out of the country but then I wouldn't strive to be on par with the UAE when it comes to law.

I'm not saying that this young lad should be extradited but I have no problem with the US seeking extradition. Also, there may be more information that we're all not privy to.

hatrickpatrick · 16-07-2015 04:56PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

where did i mention giving the US jurisdiction over the entire internet?

i said, and i quote,

So if the proceeds of a criminal act go through a US bank they claim jurisdiction. I never mentioned the entire internet. Do not put words into my mouth to suit your own agenda.

I'm not at all. In this case we're not talking about US banks - the US government's position is that any data which flows through US infrastructure in transit becomes subject to US laws. So if that data breaks US laws, they regard it as their jurisdiction to prosecute. See the case of Eric Eoin Marques for an example.

See the "Transit Authority" section here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STORMBREW

StinkyMunkey · 16-07-2015 05:01PM

Give him to the yanks tbh, saves the tax payer. The yanks prolly pay for the flight too.

end of the road · 16-07-2015 05:08PM

Wompa1 wrote: »

What if you sent the drugs through the mail. They went into America and then onto their destination?

wouldn't matter. they wouldn't be going to america no matter what. america can pay for the cost of trial here and can provide their evidence. they can pay for the cost of prison should it come to that

end of the road · 16-07-2015 05:10PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

He facilitated Criminal activity, That's all people need to understand. Whether America has Jurisdiction over him is not really that big an Issue. That's why the courts are looking into the request. The DPP were probably informed by the Americans of this lad and that's why they did not bother doing a case as the Americans are. Seems pretty cut and dry.

not cut and dry at all. he was only a mod, nothing more. therefore america making a claim is just that, a claim

Means Of Escape · 16-07-2015 05:10PM

Federal charges have a very high conviction rate so he knows his goose is cooked once he is put on a plane bound for the US.

The US Think They Can Extradite Gary Davis

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