Cork GAA Discussion Thread

Figsy32 · 12-07-2015 10:13AM

youngbob wrote: »

What did he do for the 1st hour? Showboat. He is the senior member of the team. Calahane Walsh Cooper & Kearney break the butts for the team and hoggy will shoot(sometimes off balance) if they go over he's a hero if not ah that just hoggy. Cody blows his trumpet about him all the time & 'cork fans' fall for it. If he was in Kk he'd have to put in a full shift we'd see then how strong he'd be in the last 10mins. Even Paudi made a tackle when he came on. does that mean his a warrior too. dream on buddy. Give me the workhorses anyday of the week.

Hoggy just can't win with some people.

Last week it was "ah let's forget that he was great in the first half and played a massive part in putting up such a big lead at half time, sure he missed a goal chance in the 2nd half to close the game out, he should be dropped."

This week it's "let's forget he came up trumps at the end of the game when we needed him, he should be dropped because he "showboated" in the first half."

I feel like I say this every week but when games are close its Hoggy and only more recently Harnedy we turn to.

Pos087 · 12-07-2015 10:45AM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Hoggy just can't win with some people.

Last week it was "ah let's forget that he was great in the first half and played a massive part in putting up such a big lead at half time, sure he missed a goal chance in the 2nd half to close the game out, he should be dropped."

This week it's "let's forget he came up trumps at the end of the game when we needed him, he should be dropped because he "showboated" in the first half."

I feel like I say this every week but when games are close its Hoggy and only more recently Harnedy we turn to.

Spot on. Hoggy stood up and showed leadership In the last 10 min. Which people on here were slatting him for not doing. He was slatted for not scoring from play. The last two games he has score 7 from play our second highest scorer. It's hurling people go out of games.

willietherock · 12-07-2015 12:01PM

Still way more in Lehane and AC. Need to play AC off Harnedy. Galway are utterly beatable. Damien Cahalane's bone rattling challenge on TK was a game changer as TK faded out of it afterwards.

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 12:06PM

Pos087 wrote: »

Spot on. Hoggy stood up and showed leadership In the last 10 min. Which people on here were slatting him for not doing. He was slatted for not scoring from play. The last two games he has score 7 from play our second highest scorer. It's hurling people go out of games.

I was and correctly so huge critical with justified reason to criticise him but I said yesterday stood up tall last ten minutes which is what I wanted and absoultey immense credit sure

Fully deserves be praised

He stood up yesterday like many did

Lot to do but job well done and were better were month ago

Not all ireland contenders but have even chance beat Galway

Pos087 · 12-07-2015 01:56PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

I was and correctly so huge critical with justified reason to criticise him but I said yesterday stood up tall last ten minutes which is what I wanted and absoultey immense credit sure

Fully deserves be praised

He stood up yesterday like many did

Lot to do but job well done and were better were month ago

Not all ireland contenders but have even chance beat Galway

Just thinking back over the game. Alot of time I was out of my seat cheering it was due to hoggy. It was the most nervous I seen cork fans in a long time.

I personally have been critical of Walsh and cahahlan both of which were outstanding yesterday. Clare only scored 4 from frees in the whole game. One of which was a harsh call for over carrying. that is an amazing defensive discipline for a game that was so competitive. Landers must get massive praise for this.

zetecescort · 12-07-2015 02:00PM

Pos087 wrote: »

Just thinking back over the game. Alot of time I was out of my seat cheering it was due to hoggy. It was the most nervous I seen cork fans in a long time.

I personally have been critical of Walsh and cahahlan both of which were outstanding yesterday. Clare only scored 4 from frees in the whole game. One of which was a harsh call for over carrying. that is an amazing defensive discipline for a game that was so competitive. Landers must get massive praise for this.

very true, Cooper and Lawton had fine games too. Cooper in great form, one of the few who performed well in both games against Waterford.

It makes sense · 12-07-2015 02:08PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Outstanding win tactically master class in Wexford I remain be convinced regards system but today outstanding and no goal two games Ellis sweeping brilliant and Brian Lawton take a bow take a bow awesome awesome awesome truly epically brilliant display in deeper rile and he's best position cork

Doubted he half forward never rated him there cork but huge huge huge approval credit management reinventing he's sweeper half back role and if make sense poster take my hat off you you called this month ago half back he's portion

Hunger balls steel want desire he's was immense hookij blocking intelligent passing running he was Sensational and like Ellis and Harnedy and Cooper and lehane and cadogan be fair jbm brought in most these unknown guys made them awesome

This doesn't mean we beat kk no way does mean is best clare and I feared clare as thought out possession sweeper was too late in clare game too early wanted limerick but winning we no fear over rated Galway who took too games bear Dublin who poor in transition and kk dominated so yes Galway dangerous we can beat them hopefully tippeary we meet over kk in defence having awesome turn around been weak to strong with lorchan come back we with new system momentum and confidence and course hunger last year could maybes run tipp close

We won't talk all ireland yet but least still not gone worse under jbm and this is exceptional good clare team and yes I have admitted davy should brought galvin sooner but think be fair Cork hard beat today and were still ahead limerick etc others

Walsh I huge fan always and cahalane I really one few stood up them here and Murphy was awfully critsed after one poor mistake debut but said last year had play cork he was star makings and stood up Cronin hugely here also and he delivers and all did

I hugely critsed horgan step up need greatest and be fair credit due he did last ten minutes so I'll excuse wides

I'll say more game later but full back line Ellis cahalane really strong cut bite down centre and Walsh Murphy add huge presence centre with copper and o Neill and lorcan come back add last bench depth but could be better still

Since he made debut two years ago I said exact words Harnedy star was born

Christ oh beautiful lord thank you so so much giving cork hurling Harnedy no exaggeration but hunger will win balls drive leadership scoring the creativty the pace he's everything you want cork hurling and said last week is Paul o connell cork Roy keane he is to this team the jesus leading he's disciples

What a humble humble guy off ptich but warrior really great great meant great player and I belive after today importance this cork team up there alongside great legend christy ring

I truly believe this

Two games he's single handedly made awesome difference cork and people now see why genuinely said Cork never chance beat waterford without him
Improved cork by fifty per cent won free game be won

We probably won't play Waterford again but with system taking shape fit Harnedy lorchan who struggle get game now I'd love play Waterford again as no doubt no doubt we'd beat them

Great great day see poor Dublin inspired key management changes cunningjham win game and put humphrey Kellher quiet manager had be sacked loosing twelve games with huge against odd wins and showed players belive him great come back
Dublin will be beaten waterford tipp as poor forwards but dominated limerick second half and despite making poor mistake

Dublin got league semi final and now all ireland quater final so good solid year cunningjham and lot change so build new team with only eight imo current team up it but he's definitely right man do it

I feel for davy would went clare but I'm cork but yes he'll term be looked at but if Kinnerk comes back unless stand out candidates come in I'd leave him there

Cunningjham and ed coughlan imo got lot critsim some totally justified some not but people right their opinion but today good day cork all round and tippeary football with peter creedon

Jbm rightly critsed but immense credit adapting system and changing things and landers huge huge part that and when jbm goes landers should stay on Cork man

Lot do still even come close kk but delighted jbm and every cork panel members and huge congratulations all round for skilful hearty gutsy game and also huge huge fan coughlan felt was better sub all ireland final replay wasn't sure used but was terrific tonight hunger running and brilliant point

Cork learned lot two week it's amazing and we bit hope

Amazing day cork hurling all-round

Seamus Harnedy freedom cork sooner he's captain better

Great win yesterday and great to see Lawton in his best position facing the ball as I said even in his club that had to move him back to get the best out of him in the second half v kildorry and next game v Aghabullogue, my mom was cooper harmedy good but cooper set the tone with his work rate all round it was great to win half back line super walsh and murphys best games with Ellis again very good only person I thought struggled was Cadogan even Hoggie stepped up to the plate in last few minutes great to see. We now stand a good chance of making semi and then who knows well done to jbm and landers for changing system

youngbob · 12-07-2015 02:22PM

Figsy32 wrote: »

Hoggy just can't win with some people.

Last week it was "ah let's forget that he was great in the first half and played a massive part in putting up such a big lead at half time, sure he missed a goal chance in the 2nd half to close the game out, he should be dropped."

This week it's "let's forget he came up trumps at the end of the game when we needed him, he should be dropped because he "showboated" in the first half."

I feel like I say this every week but when games are close its Hoggy and only more recently Harnedy we turn to.

That's 1 of the few close matches Cork had. In 1st waterford match last year Cooper came in at half time and turned the game. Hoggy got the praise for scoring points from frees. Munster final Cooper was outstanding again Harnedy got the goal to turn the game. Last years semi when Cork needed hoggy to settle Cork he missed unbelievable frees. Against Waterford he got no score from play. people will only see what they want to see. he'll look good tonight on the highlights when RTE will show his frees but over 70mins he barely puts in as much effort as Cads & Cronin. To say he was the winning of the game is juvenile.He is the Ronaldo of Cork hurling it's the Keano's that stirs the blood

ShamoBuc · 12-07-2015 02:27PM

Anyone who thinks Hoggie did not step up is seriously deluded. He delivered the scores under huge pressure in the closing ten minutes and was doing OK previously. Stepping up means taking charge of the game when you are under pressure most, looking for the ball, taking on your man, confident enough to take a shot etc look at the last 10-15 mins again he stood out!
I think having Walsh at HB is a seriously good move. He seems to be facing the ball more and attacks it better. Broke free and drove on a few times as well. Also his physical presence seems to felt more in that position.

We shot way too many wides. We didn't score a goal. We had quite a few players that should be capable of better the next day - that is certainly enough for jbm to talk about at the next meeting. But we won!

Pos087 · 12-07-2015 02:35PM

youngbob wrote: »

That's 1 of the few close matches Cork had. In 1st waterford match last year Cooper came in at half time and turned the game. Hoggy got the praise for scoring points from frees. Munster final Cooper was outstanding again Harnedy got the goal to turn the game. Last years semi when Cork needed hoggy to settle Cork he missed unbelievable frees. Against Waterford he got no score from play. people will only see what they want to see. he'll look good tonight on the highlights when RTE will show his frees but over 70mins he barely puts in as much effort as Cads & Cronin. To say he was the winning of the game is juvenile.He is the Ronaldo of Cork hurling it's the Keano's that stirs the blood

He will look good on the Sunday game and decervably so. We didn't win solely because of him but I Beleive we wouldn't of won without him. He is the one I want on the ball to win the game. IMO teams work better with a keano and a ronaldo in it. Roll on Galway.

Figsy32 · 12-07-2015 02:40PM

youngbob wrote: »

That's 1 of the few close matches Cork had. In 1st waterford match last year Cooper came in at half time and turned the game. Hoggy got the praise for scoring points from frees. Munster final Cooper was outstanding again Harnedy got the goal to turn the game. Last years semi when Cork needed hoggy to settle Cork he missed unbelievable frees. Against Waterford he got no score from play. people will only see what they want to see. he'll look good tonight on the highlights when RTE will show his frees but over 70mins he barely puts in as much effort as Cads & Cronin. To say he was the winning of the game is juvenile.He is the Ronaldo of Cork hurling it's the Keano's that stirs the blood

You won't win a game with 15 Bill Coopers. You won't win a game with 15 Pa Horgan's either. You need both types of player. Acknowledging one doesn't take away from the other.

Horgan will look good on the highlights like he looked good in real time because he was our top scorer from play and came up with scores in the last 10 when we needed them.

It's not the first time he's come up trumps like that. Dublin 2013 AI semi, Clare last year.

I'm not saying he alone was the winning of the game, far from it. The likes of Cahalane, Cooper and Walsh were immense. But you still need lads who can take scores and Hoggy does that better than anyone else we have, and he can do it in big situations.

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 03:07PM

It makes sense wrote: »

Great win yesterday and great to see Lawton in his best position facing the ball as I said even in his club that had to move him back to get the best out of him in the second half v kildorry and next game v Aghabullogue, my mom was cooper harmedy good but cooper set the tone with his work rate all round it was great to win half back line super walsh and murphys best games with Ellis again very good only person I thought struggled was Cadogan even Hoggie stepped up to the plate in last few minutes great to see. We now stand a good chance of making semi and then who knows well done to jbm and landers for changing system

Your outstanding poster to be honest absoultey outstanding

What a call bold open brave call

You said it week ago and you were bang on
I hope you post more here I love your posts

youngbob · 12-07-2015 03:50PM

Just arrived in Thurles. Can't help wondering if Cork put last weeks 1st half & yesterdays 2nd half we'd take all comers but sport being sport you must take your chance on the day. delighted for JBM & the backroom. I gave them some stick in the past so i must credit them when it comes off. Workrate wins matches & they got that from most players yesterday

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 05:36PM

Scarecrow 2 wrote: »

Thinkstoomuch

Ger Cunningham won a Waterford title with a star studded Ballygunner team. It would of being harder to lose the county with the team they had. They same applies to the fresher teams that have being under his watch in UCC.

I believe the UCC team this year has being the strongest team/ panel of players they have put together in past 5 years and he made a serious balls of that.

This Dublin job was going to make or break him imo if he really is as good as you say and he is under savage pressure into year 1 to even be there in year 2.

I think a big mistake of his was bringing in Ed Coughlan, with all reports saying he is no good, putting patches over players eyes at training. sounds to me the man needs to get a job in specsavers.

Shay Boland got Dublin minors 2 leinster titles and 2 all Irelands in a 2 year stint as minor manager. I know he is one of the 1st eople I would seek to meet if I was to go into Dublin as manager.

Delighted for Ronan Dwane winning Intermediate during the week. You slated him being appointed back along and nice to see your knowledge on coaches, players and teams (Waterford in particular) can be taking with a pinch of salt.

You were saying about me and waterford

With respect One swallow never made a summer and just cause you belive great great hype media love romantic story outside top two fair enough but don't critse me if I'm realist please

Beat Cork with out Harnedy and Wexford yesterday showed importance Harnedy cork so Cork never had chance without him

Ist real real test were beaten by as Michael duignan said tippeary were team going through motions no where near as good can be

Kk trust me will beat waterford

So in essence I wasn't wrong regards waterford but absoultey correct and huge huge problem Watford have can't score was evident today again from play

Waterford were never that good

Solid team won league that championship proved no relevance championship now as tippeary no interest league and kk were depleted and one game v Cork was blown out all proportion imo

Much much better team won today
It's a pity cork won't play Waterford again full strength
In counter debate what I say at times add real value rather you viewmy view it be taken pinch salt

Just my opinion of course

youngbob · 12-07-2015 05:55PM

If anyone told me before the match Callanan would be held scoreless from play I have given Waterford a chance but when he was held and tipp still won must be very disheartening for the Waterford fans. As i said after the Cork match we gave away 3 softish goals(i know the 2nd was taken very well) but we only lost by 4pts. Atmosphere was really great during the match but disappointing game. Thurles on Munster final day is always the best day of the year

youngbob · 12-07-2015 08:36PM

Ididn't watch any telly yesterday, can't wait to see Davy's puss. He'll probably go now? Who'll take over if he does? I heard JMB was as gracious as ever. Whatever one thinks of his decisions at times he has always conducted himself with incredibly grace. I think with Ellis playing so deep allows Calahane to play more to his strengths as he is not 'a tidy CB'. he can use his aggression in a way that suits his style. I'm still getting stick in my local over my comments on Hoggie. I'll have another chance to see on SG & probably eat humble pie(again). By the way I thought Barry Kelly(ref) was outstanding, he left the game flow as much as possible unlike the Dublin game where IMO the ref was heavy with the whistle over small things. Delighted Lawton had such a good game so early in his IC career, he might be light but when he bulks out as Lehane did after his 1st year he could have a great future. the auld dog Brain Murphy is a dream to watch so cool so strong. hope every underage CB was watching him to see how its done.COME ON THE WORKHORSES

:D:D

RGS · 12-07-2015 09:26PM

Originally Posted by Scarecrow 2 View Post

"Shay Boland got Dublin minors 2 leinster titles and 2 all Irelands in a 2 year stint as minor manager. I know he is one of the 1st eople I would seek to meet if I was to go into Dublin as manager."

Scarecrow just to let you know Shay Boland is part of the Dublin senior backroom team.

youngbob · 12-07-2015 10:00PM

who was on sky that gave Harnedy MOTM I'd have given it to Cooper or Walsh

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 10:05PM

youngbob wrote: »

who was on sky that gave Harnedy MOTM I'd have given it to Cooper or Walsh

Harnedy

Walsh Ellis cooper Murphy by two cahalane Lawton all could won it but Harnedy had to

Paul o connell Roy keane cork hurling

The gods of this team leading fourteen disciples
Up there ring importance this team
Awesome humble interview after game brought tears to my eyes

What a legend

youngbob · 12-07-2015 10:46PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Harnedy

Walsh Ellis cooper Murphy by two cahalane Lawton all could won it but Harnedy had to

Paul o connell Roy keane cork hurling

The gods of this team leading fourteen disciples
Up there ring importance this team
Awesome humble interview after game brought tears to my eyes

What a legend

I see a lot of him in junior matches where he's double marked most times if not treble marked & the punishment he gets is unreal & still not a dirty stroke from him. Lovely lad. Speaking of humble fellas Joe Canning was in Thurles yesterday & the amount of photos in stood in for with the kids in the old stand. We in this island are blessed to have such role models within touching distance of our children. I'm not just speaking of those two but of 99.9% of the players who contribute to entertain us every season

thinkstoomuch1 · 12-07-2015 10:55PM

http://m.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/joe-brolly-serious-sport-has-nothing-to-do-with-fair-play-it-is-war-minus-the-shooting-31369627.html

zetecescort · 13-07-2015 09:07AM

Losers of Munster final replay play Kildare and then Dublin. Winners play Fermanagh or Westmeath in 1/4 final. A lot more than medals at stake next Saturday, vital we win now

rebel girl 15 · 13-07-2015 12:06PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.the42.ie/kerry-cork-munster-ladies-football-final-report-c-2211742-Jul2015/

Hard luck but history shows cork lost battle and in role reversal men when it comes football and kerry cork usually win important big games kerry in Dublin
He's record justified that we put faith Ryan and panel learn and evolve and turn it around again

The only team imo beat Cork would be Galway I don't fear kerry monaghan or Dublin

Galway???

Monaghan and Dublin are always ones to be fearful of, Dublin have such a young squad out for vengence. Galway are made to look decent because of a poor Mayo, but have some decent footballers.

Playing Meath in the next round should be fine - but Rena and Briege were wrecked before they started having played the camogie game, given the fact that the two Kerry goals were very poor, it would have be much closer. Just a poor day at the office really. Happier to be losing now than later on in the season - Kerry won the Munster 2 years ago as well, but Cork won the All Ireland. Unlike the men, I can safely say Cork won't play as badly the next day!

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 12:12PM

Football team to be named Wednesday probably

Pos087 · 13-07-2015 12:23PM

Just sat down to watch hurling match on sky sports. The national anthem they played was from the Wexford game. There was no singer in thurles on Saturday night.

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 12:53PM

zetecescort wrote: »

Losers of Munster final replay play Kildare and then Dublin. Winners play Fermanagh or Westmeath in 1/4 final. A lot more than medals at stake next Saturday, vital we win now

Kildare with the greatest respect to them are awful and Cork usually beat them

The real test is Saturday as brolly said it starts now

If cork loose to kerry well beat Kildare but I for one won't glorify it as improvement
Cork should be beating Kildale

If we loose Saturday we are going to be beaten by Dublin

Just one point again Dublin proved what a blanket defence is effectively in six points conceded is outstanding and unlike cork they defend zonal
Cork defend numbers but don't know how to defend space

If cork played westmeath we would probably conceded one ten at best
My point is Cork defence is no where near as good as it's made out to be defending and kerry blitz us key moments in the game

Brolly was right in what he said but he's just changing wind of sail imo to cover himself if cork win

If they loose he'll change again

All the talk is about Alan o Connor now being brilliant and pat Spillane said it yesterday again

Have no doubt kerry are targeting him

Spillane in fairness didn't play the yerra card yesterday but said that teams win replay hugely favourite ist day and it's because they learn the most and do what they should day one

Cork have a chance but if the same team is picked we have lost before we start as it's indication imo from management that all was fine v kerry when it was not in just four players to kerry ten scored defence too attack minded and we had Cronin on keane and loughrey on o donughe and there poor match up plus our use of subs were too slow

I'm not trying to be negative but realistic and imo it's shows more respect for a team to actually call it as it is then just get carried away and laud team with false praise as kerry will do this week
Brolly said what I always said Cork have some of the best footballer out there
Coaching will be key and we'll know Saturday
Loosing by few points is not an option as I won't glorify moral victory

Cork fans expect to turn up and beat kerry yet they said we'd loose the week before
Fogarty was right at times there is no balance and can be fickle
Limerick thought on last year they were destined for all ireland final this year
Conceding of seven goal in four games went untouched last year such that four more games this year conceded eight goals

Point is they ignored the problem

Waterford all year main problem was from play scoring from play and yesterday just nine points from play came home to roost yesterday
Cork clare tippeary all got fourteen or fifteen point from play

Waterford were way off that but the signs were there all year
Cork had make shift defence v waterford and waterford huge score wasn't looked at a face value

Point is Cork have like both teams I mentioned huge problem in defence and linking attack to defence and we can turn up the next day and hope it clicks
Cork have to have worked on this the last two week
This game will tell us all we need to know regards has there been an improvement in coaching this set up
Cork can't be just as good the next day they actually have to be better to win as kerry won't be as bad
Kerry are absolutley bullying for road they want revenge
There in role reversal of the ist game
If cork are under pressure like kerry were have we a system to default on to come though as o Connor Driscoll just have been slightly not as good as kerry this game and then we need a collective system to help us through

I suppose I should be more respectful of Dublin and monaghan ladies football in could beat Cork I just feel cork beaten them so many big games like Cork kerry in men game and kk hold over tipp cork have advantage over them where young Galway came to cork lost league game by a point and pushed us replay league final and are a upcoming team with few that beat Cork at under age

I suppose Dublin winning the under twenty one few those players have confidence to beat Cork so they could be dangerous
With Ryan though as Cork management like cody you always belive when the need is greatest he may loose a battle and he will win the war
It's not arrongance in more I have huge belief and confidence in Ryan just like kk fans have with cody as their legacy of sustained success have earned them that privilege imo

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 02:21PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/jimmy-barry-murphy-hails-superhuman-effort-from-cork-342124.html

Good read and Lawton deserved huge praise

thinkstoomuch1 · 13-07-2015 02:27PM

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/stats-showed-coopers-importance/

Horse84 · 13-07-2015 03:13PM

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/stats-showed-coopers-importance/

Christy o'connor says here that Lawton's man marking job didn't pay off at all. On the Sunday game and in other reports he's being lauded. The stats suggest that kelly still had a huge influence on the game. Does the truth lie somewhere in between or what do people think?

youngbob · 13-07-2015 03:25PM

I said here a while ago about Corks tackling last year. It wasn't up to Tipp & Kk and that was 1 of the reasons Landers was called in. I saw the match again this morning & that was there in abundance. Hoggie & Lehane did it on Sat so I take back what I said about him. I told ye I'll probably be eating humble pie but I don't mind doing that with the sweet taste of victory. Hoggie did look good on SG when they only show the scores whereas the only time Cooper was shown was when he gave a stray pass. Without Donal Og saying how well he played you won't have got the true story of his display.

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