Is UFC/Mixed Martial Arts fixed?

Dep! · 12-07-2015 03:31PM #1

It all looked a bit WWE Lite last night lads and too much mega money is riding on a McGregor Vs Aldo showdown for the belt for them not to have asked Mendes to take one for the team.

Boxing has been rampant with fixed matches for years so why should this be any different?

osarusan · 12-07-2015 03:33PM

No it isn't.

Boxing hasn't 'been rampant with fixed matches for years either'.

Mr_Muffin · 12-07-2015 03:33PM

I wouldn't think so. These fighters only got to that level due to the desire and ambition to win/become the best.

But then again everyone has their price.

Nodin · 12-07-2015 03:34PM

Dep! wrote: »

It all looked a bit WWE Lite last night lads and too much mega money is riding on a McGregor Vs Aldo showdown for the belt for them not to have asked Mendes to take one for the team.

Boxing has been rampant with fixed matches for years so why shoud this be any different?

By jaysus, I haven't heard a such compelling combination of evidence and persuastion since that fella tried to sell me a pet invisible unicorn.

Cool_CM · 12-07-2015 03:36PM

Dep! wrote: »

Boxing has been rampant with fixed matches for years so why shoud this be any different?

Because it is?

kneemos · 12-07-2015 03:42PM

osarusan wrote: »

No it isn't.

Boxing hasn't 'been rampant with fixed matches for years either'.

I'll meet you for the rematch.

Gatling · 12-07-2015 03:43PM

Haters be hating

Cantona's Collars · 12-07-2015 03:44PM

Mendes gave as good as he got,he did better than others who faced McGregor.Took a vicious left then went down and all he could do was cover up.
I'd challenge anyone here to take a punch like that and not do similar.

Did anyone look at the Lawler v McDonald fight on the card? Could you call that a fix?

It's amazing the begrudgery of the Irish.

Dep! · 12-07-2015 03:51PM

osarusan wrote: »

No it isn't.

Boxing hasn't 'been rampant with fixed matches for years either'.

:pac:

Seriously?!

Take your pick! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/965780-13-most-shocking-scandals-in-boxing-history/page/6

Dep! · 12-07-2015 04:01PM

zerks wrote: »

It's amazing the begrudgery of the Irish.

Lol. Nothing to do with begrudgery. I think UFC and MMA in general has fixed fights, be it with McGregor or whoever.

Money talks and there was too much of it riding on a McGregor Vs Aldo showdown for the belt.

Gatling · 12-07-2015 04:07PM

Dep! wrote: »

Lol. Nothing to do with begrudgery. I think UFC and MMA in general has fixed fights, be it with McGregor or whoever.

Money talks and there was too much of it riding on a McGregor Vs Aldo showdown for the belt.

Based off exactly if that's the case every major sports event is fixed .

Do you think mini mendes and mcgregor sat down with a script first

Dep! · 12-07-2015 04:21PM

osarusan wrote: »

No it isn't.

Boxing hasn't 'been rampant with fixed matches for years either'.

1947. That's as far back as rigged boxing matches go.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/965780-13-most-shocking-scandals-in-boxing-history/page/10

In 1947, Jake LaMotta was a great boxer on the rise, but he was looking for a greater rise, and favor with the mob.

The mob controlled boxing, and wanted LaMotta to take a dive against Billy Fox for an extra $20,000 and a guaranteed title shot against Frenchman Marcel Cerdan.

LaMotta tried to hit him, and Fox's knees went weak. LaMotta carried him in what increasingly became an obvious fix.

By Round 4, the fix was obvious, and LaMotta lay against the ropes to allow the light-hitting Fox to pounce on him. Fox was awarded the fourth-round TKO.

LaMotta was awarded his promised 20 grand and title shot, as well as an investigation from the FBI years later

Two more words for you regarding boxing and how dodgy it has been in the past: Don King!

osarusan · 12-07-2015 04:23PM

Dep! wrote: »

:pac:

Seriously?!

Take your pick! http://bleacherreport.com/articles/965780-13-most-shocking-scandals-in-boxing-history/page/6

Seriously.

One of those links is a proven fix, which happened over half a century ago.

There is one other alleged fix, which also happened over half a century ago.

One fix and one allegation is not even close to proof of fixing being 'rampant'.

osarusan · 12-07-2015 04:28PM

There is no doubt that when the mafia controlled boxing, there were fixes, as most money could be made gambling. But that ended a long time ago.

But it certainly is not 'rampant' any more - certainly not at title level, where there is so much money involved that a bribe isn't worth enough to throw a fight.

Are there fights that are fixed? I'd say so, but they are very rare - rare enough to make the news. Danny Green vs Paul Briggs is the most recent I can think of that looked fixed to me (at least, Briggs dived, for whatever reason).

Junkyard Tom · 12-07-2015 04:51PM

All the butt-hurt CMcG haters have no angle left except to say the fight was fixed.

Get.
a.
life.

Nodin · 12-07-2015 05:11PM

Dep! wrote: »

Lol. Nothing to do with begrudgery. I think UFC and MMA in general has fixed fights, be it with McGregor or whoever.

Money talks and there was too much of it riding on a McGregor Vs Aldo showdown for the belt.

You seem to be saying its the norm. While its safe to say that - human nature being what it is - a fight may on occasion - be fixed by one or both parties, you've provided no evidence of this and seem to be just trotting out wild generalisations.

Cosmo Kramer · 12-07-2015 05:19PM

Not a fix but the whole thing was just a money making excuse once the Brazilian lad dropped out. McGregor was parading around with a belt that means nothing afterwards. A pointless exercise really.

Herpes Cineplex · 12-07-2015 05:32PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

All the butt-hurt CMcG haters have no angle left except to say the fight was fixed.

Get.
a.
life.

You wouldn't get it any other country. Ireland is full of bitter lemon suckers and the bitterness is strong in them.

Nodin · 12-07-2015 05:35PM

osarusan wrote: »

There is no doubt that when the mafia controlled boxing, there were fixes, as most money could be made gambling. But that ended a long time ago.

But it certainly is not 'rampant' any more - certainly not at title level, where there is so much money involved that a bribe isn't worth enough to throw a fight.

Are there fights that are fixed? I'd say so, but they are very rare - rare enough to make the news. Danny Green vs Paul Briggs is the most recent I can think of that looked fixed to me (at least, Briggs dived, for whatever reason).

Last major one I remember involved Lennox Lewis. Don King had managed to get some old woman in as one of the judges. She'd never judged a boxing match in her life, and they asked after how she marked it. She said 'Mr King had one of his friends help me'. The referee (British, well known) made a few calls that even ITV were aghast at (albeit in the understated British way). He left the stadium immediately after the fight, went straight to the airport, and was unable to be found or contacted for some considerable time afterwards. Can't remember who Lewis was fighting at all, at all.

Gatling · 12-07-2015 05:35PM

Cosmo Kramer wrote: »

Not a fix but the whole thing was just a money making excuse once the Brazilian lad dropped out. McGregor was parading around with a belt that means nothing afterwards. A pointless exercise really.

Ah sure the guy who turns up once a year in the ufc has fought 8 times but ducked out 5 times in the 8 fights for various reasons.
Wonder who's belt means nothing

Dep! · 12-07-2015 05:40PM

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

All the butt-hurt CMcG haters have no angle left except to say the fight was fixed.

Get.
a.
life.

You and others need to calm down. The title of the thread asks "Is UFC/Mixed Martial Arts fixed?" not "Was Conor McGregor's fight fixed?"

The first question has been raised for years, Im not the first one to point it out. McGregor's fight is merely being used as an example.

I do find it interesting that, per poll, at least 14 other people agree with me but have yet to post in this thread. Speak up lads.

Nodin · 12-07-2015 05:42PM

Dep! wrote: »

You and others need to calm down. The title of the thread asks "Is UFC/Mixed Martial Arts fixed?" not "Was Conor McGregor's fight fixed?"

..........

You realise that the former implies the latter also.....?

Dep! · 12-07-2015 05:44PM

Nodin wrote: »

You realise that the former implies the latter also.....?

Christ :rolleyes:

Yes but Im looking for a general debate on it.

AllGunsBlazing · 12-07-2015 05:47PM

Nodin wrote: »

Can't remember who Lewis was fighting at all, at all.

Holyfield.

michael999999 · 12-07-2015 05:48PM

Nodin wrote: »

By jaysus, I haven't heard a such compelling combination of evidence and persuastion since that fella tried to sell me a pet invisible unicorn.

Would you have a number for him by any chance?

Dep! · 12-07-2015 05:51PM

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Holyfield.

Interesting. Was that Holyfield Vs Lewis I or II?

AllGunsBlazing · 12-07-2015 05:58PM

Dep! wrote: »

Interesting. Was that Holyfield Vs Lewis I or II?

The first one. Not exactly fixed, but King pulled every stroke possible to make sure his man avoided defeat.

Nodin · 12-07-2015 06:10PM

Dep! wrote: »

Christ :rolleyes:

Yes but Im looking for a general debate on it.

"Are some MMA matches fixed?" is the thread title you wanted there.

pmasterson95 · 12-07-2015 06:20PM

Brave move OP going against a bandwagon. Never gunna go well here tho.

Mr. CooL ICE · 12-07-2015 06:25PM

There has been fixing in MMA. Pride FC had huge ties with the yakuza and many fighters claim they were 'approached' before fights. The now defunct EliteXC (which had backyard brawler Kimbo Slice as a champion) was corrupt as fcuk. It happened when the sport was young and relatively unregulated.

Was last night a fix? No.

Wabbit Ears · 12-07-2015 06:29PM

Its a buisness first and as 'sport' second. If course matchups are calculated and instructions given. It is real fighting with real skill and real talent, but its laughable that anyone believes there is nothing more to it then two men in a ring mono 'n mono.

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