Student set alight in a nightclub, guy who did it gets 5-year sentence

VisibleGorilla · 09-07-2015 12:52PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

It seems a perfectly reasonable proposition to me. He should be made pay all his medical bills as well. It's called being responsible for your actions.

Ok, at what point does it end?

Should he pay for this potential future wife, kids? Any pay he makes in future directly into his victims bank account?

Cop on.

Baggy Trousers · 09-07-2015 12:52PM

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

How could anyone think that someone isn't going to burn if you set fire to them? I don't believe for a second he didn't realise the consequences of his actions. It was attempted murder and he got off lightly.

Are you absolutely positive that he knew the consequences of his actions?

Did he know that the costume was made by using highly flammable glue and that the cotton wool was stuck to the victim's cotton t-shirt and pants?

Did he know that the victim would be engulfed immediately and have to be placed in an induced coma for weeks after suffering over 75pc burns to his entire body?

Are you sure he knew this would happen??

Awfully stupid thing to do no matter what the outcome and a horrific ongoing life changing ordeal for Matthew Sheridan but a little balance please.

ohnonotgmail · 09-07-2015 12:53PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Are you absolutely positive that he knew the consequences of his actions?

Did he know that the costume was made by using highly flammable glue and that the cotton wool was stuck to the victim's cotton t-shirt and pants?

Did he know that the victim would be engulfed immediately and have to be placed in an induced coma for weeks after suffering over 75pc burns to his entire body?

Are you sure he knew this would happen??

Awfully stupid thing to do no matter what the outcome and a horrific ongoing life changing ordeal for Matthew Sheridan but a little balance please.

it doesnt seem like he cared about the consequences of his actions. the judge described them as reckless.

Baggy Trousers · 09-07-2015 12:59PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

it doesnt seem like he cared about the consequences of his actions. the judge described them as reckless.

That is not what I asked.

He was reckless. We don't need a judge to tell us that.

LorMal · 09-07-2015 01:03PM

While I am uneasy about some of the more extreme sentiment expressed on here, I do feel the sentence was totally justified in this case.
I don't think it was attempted murder (the intent was not to kill) but it was a horrible act done with no consideration for the victim whatsoever. 5 years is about right - the rest of his life will also be destroyed in many ways - and he deserves to suffer.

(I still have a scar on my chest from a cigarette burn I received when some bastard flicked a lit cigarette behind his shoulder while we were in a crowd watching the Barry Mc Guigan v Pedroza fight back in 1985! It landed in my shirt pocket and I didnt see it until my chest was on fire.).

ohnonotgmail · 09-07-2015 01:25PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

That is not what I asked.

He was reckless. We don't need a judge to tell us that.

you asked if he knew the consequences of his actions. My response was totally on point. whether he knew the consequences or not is irrelevant.

eviltwin · 09-07-2015 01:26PM

Guy could have died. Five years isn't long enough.

inforfun · 09-07-2015 01:27PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

he had a damn sight better chance of being a surgeon than you had of being a professional footballer. your comparison is flawed.

Ever seen me play in my youth?
Nope you didnt.

ohnonotgmail · 09-07-2015 01:30PM

inforfun wrote: »

Ever seen me play in my youth?
Nope you didnt.

i'm sure you were the next Pele.

bucketybuck · 09-07-2015 01:32PM

A question for all the "attempted murder" angry people. Should the guy in this video be charged with attempted murder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErmx5WywWE

Explain your reasoning please?

frostyjacks · 09-07-2015 01:34PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Ok, at what point does it end?

Should he pay for this potential future wife, kids? Any pay he makes in future directly into his victims bank account?

Cop on.

No, just compensate the victim for the money he would have made had he not been burnt to a crisp. Stop when he reaches retirement age.

inforfun · 09-07-2015 01:37PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

A question for all the "attempted murder" angry people. Should the guy in this video be charged with attempted murder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErmx5WywWE

Explain your reasoning please?

They kissed and made up. I am fine with that.

But if the guy in the bed would have gone to the police and filed a report.....

You really have to be a special kind of idiot to find these "pranks"

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 01:42PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

He should still have got the max punishment permissible though, 12 years. Even that is lenient when you look at the suffering he's inflicted on the victim.

unfortunately, whether we like it or not, several factors are taken into account when sentencing

no previous record, a guilty plea and remorse are all things usually applied

a mandatory set one level penalty means things like this would never be taken into account in deciding a sentence

Snickers Man · 09-07-2015 01:47PM

Nidgeweasel wrote: »

A student, probably absolutely rotten, in Galway at Haloween.

"There's a buck covered in cotton wool, light abit of his costume there for the craic."

Clearly just a young lad, locked out his mind, that made a terribly stupid mistake which got drastically out of hand. Not mentally ill, not a sociopath- just young, full of beer and stupid.

Sad case. Two lives wrecked.

Setting fire to somebody's clothing and thereby maiming them for life is not just "a terribly stupid mistake which got drastically out of hand" Nor is it "attempted murder" but it is recklessly dangerous, has life-long consequences for the victim and SHOULD have similar repercussions for the perpetrator.

Especially seeing as it appears to have been his strategy (under legal advice presumably) to delay the reckoning until HE had finished his legal studies, thereby putting the victim through more uncertainty and stress without so much as an apology.

Any law firm that took such a creature on should be shunned in my view. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

bucketybuck · 09-07-2015 01:52PM

inforfun wrote: »

They kissed and made up. I am fine with that.

Thats results orientated thinking, as a gambling Mod I assume you know why thats the wrong way to judge things.

This guy intentionally set another kids clothing on fire, just as the defendant in the OP did. Should he be charged with attempted murder?

09-07-2015 02:06PM

VisibleGorilla wrote: »

Ok, at what point does it end?

Should he pay for this potential future wife, kids? Any pay he makes in future directly into his victims bank account?

Cop on.

At the very least he should be made pay for all medical expenses and should be penalised financially as there is no doubt that the victim in this case has lost on. He has had to put his life on hold for a number of years and will never be the man eh was on his way to being.

bucketybuck wrote: »

A question for all the "attempted murder" angry people. Should the guy in this video be charged with attempted murder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErmx5WywWE

Explain your reasoning please?

If the victim of that prank suffer 75% burns on his body, had fingers fused together, had to be put into an induced coma, spend years in agony and look at a lifetime of expensive medical care then you can argue for it. Saying that it is attempted murder may be a little out there but there was a very real chance that the victim in this case could have died, perhaps attempted manslaughter may be more apt.

frostyjacks · 09-07-2015 02:07PM

Riskymove wrote: »

unfortunately, whether we like it or not, several factors are taken into account when sentencing

no previous record, a guilty plea and remorse are all things usually applied

a mandatory set one level penalty means things like this would never be taken into account in deciding a sentence

I didn't see any remorse, only at the sentencing. A guilty plea on the eve of the trial is a joke, judge should have told him it was too late. It's like everything is weighted in favour of the defendant and the victim is left to rot.

bucketybuck · 09-07-2015 02:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the victim of that prank suffer 75% burns on his body, had fingers fused together, had to be put into an induced coma, spend years in agony and look at a lifetime of expensive medical care then you can argue for it. Saying that it is attempted murder may be a little out there but there was a very real chance that the victim in this case could have died, perhaps attempted manslaughter may be more apt.

They both did the same thing, they both set somebody else's clothing on fire. The question of whether it was attempted murder does not depend on the final outcome. Do you really believe either of these people were attempting to murder their targets?

Say I shoot at your head, hit you and you are left brain damaged. Or I shoot at your head and the bullet grazes your temple but you survive ok. In both cases I did the exact same thing but the result were different. How can one be attempted murder but the other isn't?

Ash.J.Williams · 09-07-2015 02:21PM

i read that article last night and have been thinking about it ever since....absolutely horrific what happened to that chap.

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 02:24PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Say I shoot at your head, hit you and you are left brain damaged. Or I shoot at your head and the bullet grazes your temple but you survive ok. In both cases I did the exact same thing but the result were different. How can one be attempted murder but the other isn't?

If you deliberately shoot a gun at someone it can be attempted murder regardless of the injury or even if you miss completely

The act of shooting a gun would be considered as seeking to seriously injure or kill someone

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 02:25PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At the very least he should be made pay for all medical expenses and should be penalised financially as there is no doubt that the victim in this case has lost on. He has had to put his life on hold for a number of years and will never be the man eh was on his way to being.

that's a civil matter and I imagine a separate case for damages/costs would be likely

bucketybuck · 09-07-2015 02:25PM

Riskymove wrote: »

If you deliberately shoot a gun at someone it can be attempted murder regardless of the injury or even if you miss completely

The act of shooting a gun would be considered as seeking to seriously injure or kill someone

Exactly.

So the guy in the linked video should be charged with attempted murder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErmx5WywWE

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 02:26PM

frostyjacks wrote: »

I didn't see any remorse, only at the sentencing. A guilty plea on the eve of the trial is a joke, judge should have told him it was too late. It's like everything is weighted in favour of the defendant and the victim is left to rot.

they still have to be taken into account

who know show long a trial would have taken and we have seen plenty get off on technicalities etc

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 02:27PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Exactly.

So the guy in the linked video should be charged with attempted murder?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErmx5WywWE

Yeah, maybe

but I would class what he did as more serious than this case, consequences aside

Egginacup · 09-07-2015 02:27PM

ken wrote: »

The victim wanted to be a paediatric surgeon. They make a lot of money. If it turns out that because of his injuries he ends up not being able to do that the other guy should be made to attempt to make up the difference of pay every year till the victim is retiring age. That way he'll not forget for the next 40+years what he did to that young man.

You can't really do that in fairness. If that were the case then everyone who got into a scrap could come back and say "Look, he broke my nose or chipped my tooth or left me with a scar on my chin. I had planned on being the highest paid male model in history and now those plans lie in ruins. I want him to compensate me for the rest of my days. £10 million a year!"

Hrududu · 09-07-2015 02:28PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Are you absolutely positive that he knew the consequences of his actions?

When someone lights a lighter and holds the flame to a 'thing' they do so in the expectation that the 'thing' will catch fire.

Baggy Trousers · 09-07-2015 02:28PM

Snickers Man wrote: »

Any law firm that took such a creature on should be shunned in my view. Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.

So no legal representation?

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 02:30PM

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

So no legal representation?

he means no should hire the defendent

LorMal · 09-07-2015 02:30PM

Riskymove wrote: »

If you deliberately shoot a gun at someone it can be attempted murder regardless of the injury or even if you miss completely

The act of shooting a gun would be considered as seeking to seriously injure or kill someone

Not true. Attempted murder requires intent to kill.

Riskymove · 09-07-2015 02:30PM

LorMal wrote: »

Not true. Attempted murder requires intent to kill.

my point is shooting a gun at someone's head would be evidence of intent to kill

Student set alight in a nightclub, guy who did it gets 5-year sentence

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