Two interesting motions at the GUI AGM

Berty44 · 07-07-2015 09:40AM

That's probably where the rumour I heard emanated.

@Russman, I would not have thought that not getting a 0.1 would be much deterrent in causing guys to not play competitively.

I play a lot of club competitions and for a couple of years I went though a terrible run of very poor golf, so much so that by mid summer I had already gone 2.0 over my start of the year handicap, the maximum allowed so I ended up playing out the year in competitions not being given any more 0.1 because I had reached the max. This happened me two years in a row and I missed out on an extra 2.4-3.0 because I was so crap.

redzerdrog · 07-07-2015 09:41AM

Russman wrote: »

Plus there's the potential impact on competition income. Will someone who is playing poorly and got 0.1 on the first day of the month continue to enter competitions knowing he's playing badly and his handicap won't be adjusted ? Some will, some won't I'd say.

This is what make the possible rule so stupid and precisely the reason it can not and will not be implimented. It will cost golf clubs revenue.

I have a hcap I cant play to yet but if after playeing the first comp in the month and getting .1 back I wouldnt bother paying a tenner a pop for the rest of the month to shoot mid 20 points. Id still go out not enter the comp and hope that with play I can get better.

I am sure I wouldn't be the only person thinking like that

Russman · 07-07-2015 10:16AM

thoscon wrote: »

It was to stop a lad who gets cut and goes to play a few opens in a short space of time to get his 0.1s back.

But is that not the way the system is designed and supposed to work ?
I mean, they say we're only expected to play to our handicaps about once every seven games, so what about the other 6 ? Chances are the lad who shoots a good score is going to play badly in his next few games anyway, why must he wait for a period of time before his handicap reflecting it ?

Russman · 07-07-2015 10:17AM

redzerdrog wrote: »

This is what make the possible rule so stupid and precisely the reason it can not and will not be implimented. It will cost golf clubs revenue.

I have a hcap I cant play to yet but if after playeing the first comp in the month and getting .1 back I wouldnt bother paying a tenner a pop for the rest of the month to shoot mid 20 points. Id still go out not enter the comp and hope that with play I can get better.

I am sure I wouldn't be the only person thinking like that

Exactly this ^^^

slingerz · 07-07-2015 10:21AM

redzerdrog wrote: »

This is what make the possible rule so stupid and precisely the reason it can not and will not be implimented. It will cost golf clubs revenue.

I have a hcap I cant play to yet but if after playeing the first comp in the month and getting .1 back I wouldnt bother paying a tenner a pop for the rest of the month to shoot mid 20 points. Id still go out not enter the comp and hope that with play I can get better.

I am sure I wouldn't be the only person thinking like that

ok say you go out and not pay in the comp and shoot 45 points what would your approach be then?

I dont see the getting 0.1 back at the start of the month being a problem really i'd still pay into comps rather happy that my handicap wouldnt drift out further

Russman · 07-07-2015 10:27AM

thoscon wrote: »

I attended a GUI meeting in newlands where they outlined their 5 year plan and bringing in a motion that you only get your 0.1s back at the end of the year was discussed
It was to stop a lad who gets cut and goes to play a few opens in a short space of time to get his 0.1s back.
What was discussed was that at the end of the year you might not get all the 0.1s back that you are due it depends on how you played with the handicap you are on
It might not come to fruition

Two things with that though:
1) It could be an awful lot of work for a volunteer handicap secretary.
2) Its too subjective IMHO. In reality someone constantly shooting 27pts isn't really that different to someone constantly shooting 30pts yet it could be argued that one is doing better than the other. You'd kinda be setting different levels of poorness along with the CSS & buffer.

redzerdrog · 07-07-2015 10:29AM

slingerz wrote: »

ok say you go out and not pay in the comp and shoot 45 points what would your approach be then?

I dont see the getting 0.1 back at the start of the month being a problem really i'd still pay into comps rather happy that my handicap wouldnt drift out further

There is absolutly no chance of that happening though, 45 would be impossible for me to shoot currently. I have played 10 time since getting my hcap (only 1 qualifying) and have yet to shoot 30 points.

Rather than paying 10 quid to play in comp I have zero chance of competing in, playing with people I don't know id rather just play a casual round with Friends after the comp closes.

Russman · 07-07-2015 10:32AM

slingerz wrote: »

ok say you go out and not pay in the comp and shoot 45 points what would your approach be then?

I dont see the getting 0.1 back at the start of the month being a problem really i'd still pay into comps rather happy that my handicap wouldnt drift out further

I think its one of those things where some will do it and some won't, but I'd be fairly sure that not everyone who has got their 0.1 will pay into comps for the rest of the month if they are playing poorly.

You can even see it sometimes when guys have reached their 2 shots back by, say, August.

slingerz · 07-07-2015 11:24AM

Russman wrote: »

I think its one of those things where some will do it and some won't, but I'd be fairly sure that not everyone who has got their 0.1 will pay into comps for the rest of the month if they are playing poorly.

You can even see it sometimes when guys have reached their 2 shots back by, say, August.

ya that is fair enough i would though in the hope that i would have that good round

thoscon · 07-07-2015 01:05PM

Russman wrote: »

But is that not the way the system is designed and supposed to work ?
I mean, they say we're only expected to play to our handicaps about once every seven games, so what about the other 6 ? Chances are the lad who shoots a good score is going to play badly in his next few games anyway, why must he wait for a period of time before his handicap reflecting it ?

They were more thinking along the lines of a lad playing 4 or 5 opens in a week to get the shot back they lost
I've never came across that but seemingly it happens

SaveOurLyric · 07-07-2015 01:17PM

redzerdrog wrote: »

I have a hcap I cant play to yet but if after playeing the first comp in the month and getting .1 back I wouldnt bother paying a tenner a pop for the rest of the month to shoot mid 20 points. Id still go out not enter the comp and hope that with play I can get better.

No need to play the tenner a pop. Just enter supplementary cards without entering the competition and you can collect the 0.1s. You must inform you h/c sec before you start the round though. So joint your mates who are in the comp, but save yourself the wasted €10. There is a limit (12 or 15) to how many of these you can do in a year, but every little helps.

thoscon · 07-07-2015 01:17PM

Russman wrote: »

Two things with that though:
1) It could be an awful lot of work for a volunteer handicap secretary.
2) Its too subjective IMHO. In reality someone constantly shooting 27pts isn't really that different to someone constantly shooting 30pts yet it could be argued that one is doing better than the other. You'd kinda be setting different levels of poorness along with the CSS & buffer.

I agree it would be extra work for the handicap secretary
I agree with the second point, I can't really see it working but something needs to be done to stop the getting 0.1 back brigade

Russman · 07-07-2015 02:24PM

thoscon wrote: »

I agree it would be extra work for the handicap secretary
I agree with the second point, I can't really see it working but something needs to be done to stop the getting 0.1 back brigade

I agree with the sentiment, but at the same time, I reckon the 0.1 back brigade are (with probably a couple of exceptions) simply just inconsistent amateurs who are fitting into the profile of what a handicap golfer should be doing as per the system, ie roughly one good round in every seven.
Chances are we all fit into the "0.1 back brigade" category, we just likely do it over a longer period than someone who can play a few times per week.

I wouldn't have thought that the time spread of bad rounds should really come into it.

Two interesting motions at the GUI AGM

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