Cork GAA Discussion Thread

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Huge week for Cork hurling with munster final Wednesday night and the senior hurling Saturday
Only two teams left
Flynn could be huge loss Wednesday but brennan has to start

Sean mac what do you think are the chance for the replay in the football??

Ttm,

I think we have a chance IF we learn again from sunday. Kelly must start,kerrigan must also start as he was flying in his new role before black card. When kerrigan went off we leaked a load of scores as kelly operated further up the pitch. For me also dorman has to be considered,strong physical and a hard runner evetything kerry dont like.
Undortunately i think fintan who was quiet may have to make way?next 2 weeks all about mental preparation;cork should go back into the bunker,cuthbert et al say nothing let all the ex kerry fellas yerrah away and ****ing explode out of the blocks sat week. The natural conclusion is to say cork lost their chance and kerry will be highly motivated,that could be right but IF cork are cute,plan correctly we have the players imo. Kerry favourites definately but cork should have the belief to go again and while cork have not yet put games back to back under cuthbert they have a chance,lots of IFs do! Have to say flanagan has them in serious condition

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i am hearing the game is on in thurles next saterday at 7 . probabley suites everyone that bit more

You're right I just got a text from 1 of the players

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

the game next saterday will be live on sky sports , so that confirms the throw in time if nothing else 7pm

i get the feeling on this page its the draw nobody wanted either !!!

This is the draw I wanted. If we can't beat Clare in Thurles we have right to be mixing it with the 'big boys'. Clare will probably be favs. nothing like knock out, Cork can't afford to go to sleep like they did for 1st 20mins in 2nd half but if we play like we did in 1st half Clare will have to bring their A game to beat us. I'm still not convinced Hoggie has the bottle for a tight battle. Lehane showed some grit. I just hope our 2 wing backs aren't as loose because this Clare forward outfit will punish any slackness. JESUS I CAN'T WAIT. GAA got it right for once in their choice of venue. nowhere better to hurl

I watched yesterdays match again. Why do RTE have an anchorman when he stopped Joe Brolly everytime he wanted to get stuck into the ref & the penalty decision. The reason the soccer so good was because Bill O allowed Brady & the boys to say whatever was bugging them. Whatever one thinks about Brolly he is entertaining. For all the skill Henry & Eddie had on a pitch in a studio they are like sheep

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Bit much the remark as sheep to both imo
Brennan good pundit
Sheffkin whether he's good or not he's only new so deserves time


As for brolly id day Maloney being new wanted to and rightly so lay down the law I control the tempo of debate as with lyster out you don't want brolly to think hes free reign and brolly makes good point but at times talks across o rourke other pundits and they can't get a word in either way

I think brolly was getting bit excited about the referee and I'd say Maloney was afraid he'd loose the run of himself

Maloney might be new to that gig but he is by no means a greenhorn. He isn't there to control the debate. Lyster at least lets them have their say & comments afterwards if needs be. I'd rather hear what the pundits have to say than listen to the tripe questions Maloney wanted answered( like do you think the penalty award will motivate Cork?). That's the kind of rubbish you'd hear on local radio, where you don't want to upset your neighbours . Maloney is getting well paid he should be professional enough to focus on the biggest decision of the afternoon.

DylanAFC wrote: »

Are the tickets for the Town end on sale in super valu/centra yet does anyone know?

only the killinan end are on tickets.ie, hopefully they will open the Town end during the week. won't be near a sell out anyway so you could always buy on the day.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/cork-need-to-reap-rewards-of-possession-game-341125.html

The stats show cork should won and were better team in the second half

That's my worry in I hope it's not chance gone as Cork have improve again

Cork short kick out was superb but kerry forward full forward line showed made just four tackle when Dublin high end press caused real problem showed the complacency they had and the stats of lowest kerry player in age twenty possession game shows my point I said before lot kerry individuals didn't play well at all and they will be hurting

On these stats kerry were well beaten but draw game should lost and Sunday was one that got away

Cork can win the replay but like I said huge improvement again is needed
Donughe destroyed loughrey ist half but waited twenty six second half minutes get ist touch second half
It should not be though James improved for Cork it's just he didn't be tested
A good management will see this and switch him the poor manager will say James improve leave him there
Last year he got ten points play he got ball
Ist half two points created a load scores


Cork simply have to switch him

One statics not here that should be Cork only four players in games scored
Yes that mean we can improve hugely
Problem is through the league this has been evident to a point and still not solved
Like I said kerry had ten different scorers that shows a system default when individuals were poor



Kerry couldn't win any breaking ball at all second half
Cork were good yes and point is Cork didn't allow them
However we must look at those kerry players done it v Donegal and mayo last year so they are going to improve
This post look like in saying kerry are ones we should watch rather than ourselves and that imo only way win the replay as we need to think about how and expect Kerry improve as only then can we stop them and prevention better than a cure


If on the other hand we adopted a view we are better and Barry Driscoll and loughrey can do what done again imo it's huge worry in were not expecting kerry to target them


Cork running game was there all league for people to see
Mcguimness said Cork didn't show their hand in the league deliberately
I disagree as I often remarked cork half forward are picked as runner and don't kick or vary angle attack a lot
It was the same Sunday with seventy one per cent hand passing
It was brilliant Sunday as kerry were weak down the centre and never swarmed cork


However as cavan showed v monaghan when monaghan ran and ran they turnover over huge ball and monaghan only won as they changed to kicking
Kerry will force cork to kick the next day that's why kelly has to start as he was Cork most influential link man and done most kicking
If kerrigan starts he may turnover ball but essentially he's a runner

Cork done lot right Sunday management deserve credit for
However there's still a lot that wasn't done
I still think we play more as individuals than a team
Defence with a double sweeper still conceded two fifteen
Yes we can negate the penalty but then geaney had huge goal chance
Kerry still scored fifteen points on day that start forward only had ist touch second half twenty six minutes and half forward line had no orchestra link man



Cork had superb kelly yet we still can't score enough points
Talk before hand was kerry unlike last year with sullivan had problems as no link man with Gooch on the bench
It proved so as time again Buckley o brien ran cul de sacs

Yet still score fifteen points and created lot


Cork were fitter and hungrier and management and flangan for fitness deserve huge credit
Also cork never gave up and that improvement
They had no talk in the match build up and deserve huge credit that in realised match won on the ptich not on media
They need to do the same again
Cuthbhertt right to mention the referee but then said line was drawn
He couldn't change decision now but brought attention to it while correctly asked clarification black card
But he moved on in unlike last year after mayo game talk about ref was like single reason they lost
Players feed in that
Moving on from the ref he's saying we we robbed but we other areas close game we didn't do it


Kerry will be hungry and much fitter the next day
Cork don't need to be fitter as there at their peak but hunger must remain
Also cork won tactical battle is the talk at present
Kerry won't start the same team of be as naive and complacent the next day and kerry will laud cork praise and do everything bar send cork Xmas card
Cork have be cautious
I must admit McGrath waterford showing signs of cuteness
Wonderfully played him today saying tippeary some best ever hurling played the game
Tippeary don't do hype great so he's dangling the carrot


Cork need say expect Kerry win by cork pundit and kerry win normally replay and kerry greatest team etc
Kerry you see won't be complacent again as who ever looses is out in Dublin was tough but now impossible in three games three weeks
Every game there's new challenge team win all Ireland
Cork essential under no pressure in nobody expected them to win and written off
Next day have to win with games now week on week
There's also pressure of can we improve but crucially this is test any management will they be ruthless know while some played well harsh call may need be made and one player played well dropped as cody kk does it horses courses game


Kerry going for the jugular the next day
Barry Driscoll never like Cork have back line tested defence consistent kerry
Imo cork get half time game on have huge chance
I'd drop Barry driscoll for ist half play clancy
But Driscoll played well yes
Kerry didn't rate him but they now do and will target weak part he game
I'd tell him why being dropped in won't loose confidence in we want go defence with clancy half and contain them and then he'll be on and make it clear it's not anything do performance last day just every game different and him clancy different type players but Cork will go attack the next day second half
Kerry get lead early then it's tough ask
We must contain contain contain then strike for home


I'd leave Kevin Driscoll there
Brian wouldn't be dropped over Barry as he'll create kick passes from defence attack
You see cork can't go running game totally as kerry now waiting for it
Cork need a curve ball we have players kick pass so when kerry beef and plug the centre and become cynical stop either man or ball we should bypass that by fast kick over them to avoid traffic congestion cork can rest on their laurels and laud this performance as improvement and loose the next day



Or they can evolve change things again and go win the game as the only way they will get respect by beating top team
Again they have done nothing like other cork teams haven't done draw killarney but they never pushed on
These lads need to push it on again



We must as management look at ruthlessly in defence, cohesion as system get more player four to score, get the match up correct in not leave keane on Cronin and loughrey on donughe and crucially drop Gould start deane and clancy and we have a huge chance then
But change has to happen as for all dominance Sunday some stats we still only drew and while referee had influence we should finished the job and had ample opportunity to but went too defensive and took off Connor such he's direct opponent Fitzgerald allowed ist time game bomb forward score a point



They must say we should left donnacha on
Donnacha wasn't tiring that much all he had to do was stay in he's d zone then Fitzgerald had stay with him it
Donnacha didn't need do anything else bar just be there in great player like donnacha there's presence can sometimes in final moment just be enough lead you home and he key v mayo in come back last year and winning cork all Ireland
Should never been taken off

wackokid wrote: »

Just as well you are only a keyboard warrior TTM.
All this crazy sh1te about resting our best player Barry.O.D 'till we are in the 'catching up' cage.
Wouldn't the great great great awsome Fitzmaurice love to see that move.?
I wasn't at the game but somebody whose opinion I respect totally, tells me that Loughrey gave a masterclass in defending, off camera of course. That cheating little so & so J.O.D. was limited to 2 points from play. Brolly isn't always right but when he said that little so and so shouldn't sully the Kerry jersey with his cheating antics, he deserves credit for highlighting such behaviour. B.J.Keane is another who isn't too concerned about honesty or manliness. So much for this constant beefing up of Kerry's great tradition and sportsmanship by the meja, and of course their long list of former medal holders who practically own our newspaper sports pages.
BTW.........I do enjoy SOME of your analysis, but FFS could you shorten it by 1000 words and stop repeating yourself.

I agree you point regards media bring lot kerry man in Hennessy and McCarthy and leen all kerry etc

Look again and I can't say it again will you stop personal agenda my posts
Well agree disagree so be it leave it gaa
I'm not key board warrior and again another insult
What you and other posters so give opinion in fairness


I agree lot you point at times
I don't rate Hayes etc few you do on performance but surely that my right opinion
I said it here i was wrong like other poster here Kevin o Driscoll had awesome game
You were right
Yes should start next day

Would I started colm no only cause I rate Collins kelly better players
Like you I think kerry can be beaten as Cork have players but Cork have improve again and surely you agree they target few cork better players the next day

Genuinely thanks for the kind words about my post you enjoy some them
I said it before I don't have never did problem your posts
We disagree on few things so be it
But it's gaa related let's keep it that way
Maybe I'm too negative regards cork but look I'm sick teeth false dawns cork winning moral victory loosing when cork have every right expect demand beat kerry
You want that too I guess as you don't like kerry by you posts
Point is kerry will want same half back line Cork as they will pick half forward line to put them on the defence

wackokid wrote: »

Just as well you are only a keyboard warrior TTM.
All this crazy sh1te about resting our best player Barry.O.D 'till we are in the 'catching up' cage.
Wouldn't the great great great awsome Fitzmaurice love to see that move.?
I wasn't at the game but somebody whose opinion I respect totally, tells me that Loughrey gave a masterclass in defending, off camera of course. That cheating little so & so J.O.D. was limited to 2 points from play. Brolly isn't always right but when he said that little so and so shouldn't sully the Kerry jersey with his cheating antics, he deserves credit for highlighting such behaviour. B.J.Keane is another who isn't too concerned about honesty or manliness. So much for this constant beefing up of Kerry's great tradition and sportsmanship by the meja, and of course their long list of former medal holders who practically own our newspaper sports pages.
BTW.........I do enjoy SOME of your analysis, but FFS could you shorten it by 1000 words and stop repeating yourself.

I agree with you on brolly and it shows while you don't like him he's views can still be good


I don't like brolly either but I respect he's kidney work ireland and I never liked Liam Hayes meath as player either but hugely agreed he's point in cork under Counihan
It's not about like or dislike
Donough is great player but disgraceful see kilnsmann type diving in football


As for keane etc kerry manifestly being on edge manly play I'll be honest I admire like kk ruthless want win and sooner cork get that way better
Cork hurling years ago had cynical edge and look at Cusack antic sliothsr particularly v limerick all ireland quarter final and rock was tough as nails etc were hated by other counties but we in cork didn't care


Cork need that and Christ the team of the ninety with cullothy slocum McCarthy by two and McGrath and cahalane and couninhan were tough no prisoners taken on the field
Cork have to wise up and stop being too nice on the field
Sundays showed improvement but has been consistent

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Not been on line since Saturday.

Hurlers. Great to win away to Wexford. To be fair the home team are brutal enough. We started well and had the well and truly won by ht, some great scoring and performances. Unfortunately with 12 to go there were only 6 points in it and had they scored an unlikely goal, they could have pushed on for the win, which should never have been allowed. Awful pussy footing around with ball in the defence in the second half, disappointing. Glad of thewin though.
Next up Clare in Thurles, this will show us exactly where Cork hurlers really are. We are capable of winning but it will be tough, pity its on Sky- will have to go to the pub!

Footballers- robbed of a deserving win in Killarney, we just can't get over the line down there. It was great being in Kerry on Sunday. We started like a train. Good defensive setup took our scores well. Gave away a stupid goal. Then the blackcard changed things. Kerrigan had been doing a good job and him going off upset the tactics and we didn't recover from it till half time with Kerry throwing 5 over thebar on the trot at one stage. Fair dues to Donna - great point at the death!!
While our defence lost its way a bit it did allow us bring on Paddy - a player we really should be starting. He is a fantastic link player.

I heard the worst at ht. Good start, fell away, 4 down at ht having played with the wind, I fully expected Kerry to win the second half by 6 or 7 points. Thankfully we regrouped and ran at them in the second half - which was great to see!!! There was always a big question mark over Kerry's full bvack line and we certainly provided more. A super effort in the second half. O Connor at midfield had a huge game, delighted for him and this gave us an advantage I didn't think we would have. Great attack minded running also caused Kerry so many problems.
Fukin gutted not to have won. That ridiculous decision for the pen, Christ almighty but you have to think you are not going to win when yet another decision goes against you! O'Brien and Donaghy around the neck tackles, yellow, easily could have been a black. Donaghy in particular was lucky as he really cannot tackle. More often or not he gives a free away , he should be booked more offer for persistent fouling.

Pity about the 45, tired legs I reckon, also poor decision to bring Sheehan off as O O'Donoghue looked about as uncomfortable as possible when he took an important one. Also re really falls down 'easily' and seems to 'hurt' his face lot.

When you get a chance to beat Kerry in Kerry, you simply have to take it, beating them in 2 weeks again in Killarney will be a serious job, one I would love to see happening, but cannot see them being as bad again. Will be change tactics, can we?

Lots to look forward to at least.

We played with far more intensity than Kerry and were better by 6/8 points. Kerry will improve hugely and we've shown our hand wrt Barry O Driscoll and KOH's excellent restarts - they'll lokk to address these matters.

P Power has us as big outsiders again for replay and management will have to harness the lack of respect from bookies and pundits who see our chance gone 'Let's ram it down their throats' - I'd see us having the intensity needed but can we improve in other areas ? We'll need to and I think we can. If we win then we have a reasonable shot at reaching the final and anything can happen then.

TTM - you are losing the plot wrt Cork Footballers.

I never said that Kerry don't respect Cork. Fitzm said he expected a very tough game and got it - he also admitted that they were fortunate to get a draw.

Loughrey did well on JOD - who was regarded as the country's most dangerous foward and was usuall double marked, in the closing stages, last year. Kerry got on top at MF in the 2nd quarter and we lost our way, a bit. Keane and JOD got good ball and converted a few - Kerry with good possession and space are adept at expert kick passing to their forwards - it's very difficult for defenders in such circumstances.

Kerry were gifted 2 goals but they were worth more than 6 points as they came when Kerry were on the ropes and gave them big momentum.

Cork have excellent players and now that the management has learned from last year and is performing - we are a very good side. We can beat every side apart from Dublin IMO - we'd need huge luck and improvement to match the Dubs.

You need to acknowledge that our management team are doing very well this year.

Gary Neville wrote: »

TTM - you are losing the plot wrt Cork Footballers.

I never said that Kerry don't respect Cork. Fitzm said he expected a very tough game and got it - he also admitted that they were fortunate to get a draw.

Loughrey did well on JOD - who was regarded as the country's most dangerous foward and was usuall double marked, in the closing stages, last year. Kerry got on top at MF in the 2nd quarter and we lost our way, a bit. Keane and JOD got good ball and converted a few - Kerry with good possession and space are adept at expert kick passing to their forwards - it's very difficult for defenders in such circumstances.

Kerry were gifted 2 goals but they were worth more than 6 points as they came when Kerry were on the ropes and gave them big momentum.

Cork have excellent players and now that the management has learned from last year and is performing - we are a very good side. We can beat every side apart from Dublin IMO - we'd need huge luck and improvement to match the Dubs.

You need to acknowledge that our management team are doing very well this year.

To be fair you chop and change your views like the weather at times
You know that now let's be fair
One draw and were all ireland contenders
You still refuse explain some point regards Sunday
How did loughrey do well
He still taken ist half two points and turned three times
Second half donughe didn't touch ball twenty six minutes
How is that down loughrey defending
Two week ago you said you didn't rate him corner back and you're right


What have we learned our improvement last year hugely?
Attack have we
If so why only four players scored all game
Defence improved
Has it
Why so another huge score conceded


Game management
No improvement really in best forwards taken off such Fitzgerald got taken cleaners got up level when o Connor went off
Why cork smallest defender Cronin on their tallest man outside loughrey in keane
Why didn't kelly start
If kerrigan hadn't got any card kelly wouldn't came on and no link play be there
Why did we make only one enforced change to kerry three by the hour mark
Gould as paper said faded badly so why deane sit he's hole for hour bench

Only way cork were saved by goals and I said half time that
Sunday game also said it
Why did cork only score seven points play full game
We didn't crumble like before so yes improvement but kerry never had forwards blow us away


You say well beat anyone outside Dublin
We'd beat mayo
Would we beat Donegal
We won't score goals against them so have score points
Please dont say we got four in meaningless league game in spring


Will you stop your nonsense luck win all Ireland
We need system tactical innovation like any team beat Dublin
Your talk remind me journalists Martin kiely limerick leader last year saying he was at some holy place last year he prayed divine inspiration limerick win all Ireland after kk
They believe lady luck deserted them against kk
Yet they don't realise luck was with them that it rained heavily kk couldn't play fast game to expose the lack of pace


Yes referee was bad Sunday
But Cork were lucky kerry picked team five starters on bench and trained Portugal month ago no where near full fitness

Let's keep it real as no point having false dawns
We can beat kerry but we have huge huge work do that you fail realise imo

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/killarney-2015-could-be-historical-watershed-for-cork-football-341158.html


Very balanced view by shannon

He's right the summer will tell if cork managment turned a corner and kerry have start maher next day

Key like he said like harte said replay new game you must add new dimension
That's my worry in can cork do it
If management do they deserve huge huge huge credit



As for Cork all ireland he's right we came back brilliant from Dublin but brolly was right we struggled beat poor poor down team and limerick in extra time and kerry beat us game should won so doubts will remain that all ireland great cork winning ist twenty years Cork due style labour play one dimension slow build up will be regarded as Cork team struggle stumbled all ireland when in truth we should steam rolled it and post all ireland years when game evolved further showed Hayes brolly were right to critse cork style play

Heart character never in doubt

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/how-cork-can-beat-kerry-and-vice-versa-341098.html


I respect fogarty article some not all and he's right to opinion that's he's job
Wouldn't be seen by many Cork fans as always cork favourite towards them but at times he's good stuff imo


However here naming team you be inclined think wants kerry win
Is he seriously having a laugh in fairness kelly was involved every single attack nearly dictated play and lack pace he has more made up by he's brilliant absolutely awesome footballer mind with absoultey awestruck epically outstanding magnificent football passing like pirlo alonso soccer sees things before other think them


He drops kelly and says kerrigan starts defend
No he's imo done it wrong in you pick clancy as holding defender stop runners that kelly can't track over Barry driscoll as kerry won't allow cork running them and you allow kelly there as kick passing only way beat kerry and kerrigan can kick pass but decison making and ability isn't good kelly and he's ist instinct is to run kelly is to kick

Also Murphy hugely strengthen kerry defence and kerry have creative influence at centre forward to test he's cork half back line that three out out attackers

He's basically saying same cork team good enough beat kerry with making two changes improved kerry fifty per cent yet that same cork team couldn't beat kerry ist day conceded huge score and even kelly cork didn't get enough ball to hurley etc o Neill
Take kelly out cork won't score at all

If cork start that team imo they will loose
Has to be something new and changes

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/another-cruel-defeat-has-left-cork-hurling-on-its-knees/

The very last part Murphy is bang on the money
And Cork still need more money invested help outstanding work rebel og


Also cork are out of the minor football for a good few weeks now so why not appointment minor set up next year in rather wait October appointment now would mean management set up plans next year go watch players and see who's on radar and by players knowing now who manager seen games gives them encouragement play good

Kerry were fast by improving way do things saying next under twenty manager is jack and he's already put s and c plan in place under twenty one team


Minors kerry understand will wait as kerry still in minor all ireland and another outstanding success again second minor two years under jack in munster before announced he's successor



Rumours has it if true tommy griffin will be involved who good coach
Cork have to get the minor management right as the talent is there