Cork GAA Discussion Thread

The White Feather wrote: »

The point is we all (I would think) thought we would get hammered and we didn't.

We came within aa few secs of a win.Dodgy penalty as well.

We have to give hem credit and feel good about things.Its up to them to put in the same performance next time. We know they can do it so no reason why they cannot do it again.

Imagine if Cork were Kerry and Kerry were Cork in the second half. We (as in Kerry) needed a soft penalty and a last ditch point to get a draw all while at home.Then we would be saying we will get finished off in the replay

Its a case of optimism or pessimism. We have to feel like we can do it again. I agree that we should have finished them off but we didn't. No reason why we should be negative or think we cannot reproduce that second half again.

All the pressure is on Kerry.They know they probably should have lost and know it will be a big battle.

I suggest you read my posts since Thursday kerry team named
I changed hugely from certainly saying kerry win to we had chance

I had doubts with Cork making changes but said kerry there for taking and Cork could have chance
Said half time kerry full back line awful and Cork still in it

I genuinely hate been seen as always negative
Im not but realistically we have say this wasn't kerry's best team and just back warm weather training so yes good performance and postive but I am keeping it in perspective til the replay

Gary Neville wrote: »

He'a a top forward and worked very hard today both on and off the ball but he could learn a lot from Donncha and hopefully he is. He missed one great opportunity to release Cronin who was through on goals but he's young and this part of his game will improve plus when playing for the club he has to shoot most of the time so that's his natural instinct.

I wouldn't put him in top bracket of forwards just yet. He did work hard off the ball and always does he always makes himself available for the ball. But with ball in hand a lot of the time he has no awareness of other players around him making good runs or in better scoring position. It's not just today I've noticed this from last year

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Where is the replay

Killarney again

Gary Neville wrote: »

He'a a top forward and worked very hard today both on and off the ball but he could learn a lot from Donncha and hopefully he is. He missed one great opportunity to release Cronin who was through on goals but he's young and this part of his game will improve plus when playing for the club he has to shoot most of the time so that's his natural instinct.

Absolutely nothing at all at all to do with it
Have you seen him play under twenty one where he always made good decision making
He was coached to do so


Have you seen him for haven
He scores but isn't selfish
James McCarthy etc coached him sanyty also at club where he works for team
Always a team player
With Cork senior he's playing as individuals like so many others as no effective system there yet
He needs be coached
Wonderful potential

The point I make time and again here is Cork problems all year have been midfield and defence and management reading a game flow making subs and playing not individual but with a system


Let's look at the defence
People say we could improve the next yes we can
Will we
Well all league and again sorry mention this as some so emotions high after this moral victory won't want hear it but Cork under this management at minor were conceding huge scores under two years conceded huge scores and this year league and v Dublin armagh Galway challenges and then clare and two fifteen today with kerry having forwards like Buckley o brien keane and Walsh who wouldn't be huge scores but have other strength


So will we improve the next day
We have seen absoultey nothing say we will buy this half back line won't change now but kerry know and respect them as three lads made debut so bar outstanding Brian Driscoll two other came under the radar

O Connor be fair was outstanding midfield and proved real asset and my doubts he'd last game I was proven wrong
He did and was great
Other tests await
Maher made huge difference when came on and will start moran next day
So have cork solved midfield
Better last year but midfield faded at key moments imo


Forward play in cork always had forwards but don't get enough fast creative ball and ran kerry weak centre next day have kick through it

Only four cork players scores today so Cork yes three goals but kerry defence will be tighter
Cork got around seven points play not good in truth just two ist half so we have huge opportunity to improve as get three thirteen with still not forwards getting ball huge scoring


But this problem has remained cork for while so again were waiting it improve


Cork blanket defence is not effective and balance attack is still not cohesion where kerry had around ten different scorers so kerry are getting more sum parts
Individual brilliance cork rely on


Kerry up ahead yet made three changes before cork weren't enforced

Cork waited nearly hour bar enforcement kelly to make changes
Cork reacting too slow to adjust game flow


Fitzmaurice will be ruthless critsed arrogance picking weak team cork by some in kerry
You see kerry are winners and this do not critse isn't option no matter who you are
Fitzmaurice ruthless make changes and will and some started today be very lucky play kerry this year again


Cork I hope be wrong will see this as wonderful achievement and stay loyal same team next day when cork could win if change is made


Brian o Driscoll should be at half forward or wing back
Clancy has come in and deane huge impact and should started
Kerry are beatable if cork pick best team


Donnacha was tiring yes but game slowed down so he'd survive if he held he's position outside the d as kerry would has mark him and left space others and he's leadership and accuracy get huge score when needed

Should stayed on
Today showed cork have the footballer yet soon cork loose people will say we don't have them
What we need is ruthless environment of organisations structure effective team plan and tactically astute management to win



Nothing today imo showed we have that
Referee was appalling but hope cork dont do mayo and in say referee cost us game
Yes it huge turning point but look kerry had goal chance too missed so we can't say with out doubt kerry wouldn't got goals if needed one if the penalty didn't go in


The fact ten different scorers scores kerry with few actually having individual brilliance imo shows how they have systems structure that acts as default system all great team have to win when they should loose


Kerry should of lost today but didn't as they never kicked on four up and they didn't have the forwards to do that starting
That's the sign of a system and structure when ten team score rather one player
Fitzmaurice improve them every game last year
Cork management still in areas team yet show they can


So it's not cork haven't scope to improve yes they have the concern is have they the set up to harvest the potential to improve to actual on the field performance

Time will tell

Cork will be owed a game so in kerry with the pairc
Should pushed for the gaelic grounds or Thurles

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Cork will be owed a game so in kerry with the pairc
Should pushed for the gaelic grounds or Thurles

There's an agreement in place apparently. We will get an equal number of games in the pairc when it reopens.

The White Feather wrote: »

Breaking News....

About that Penalty decision...

Ref has been arrrested!! :eek:



Joking aside, surely there is no need for this. No one should be attacking the ref no matter what he did

It's disgrace fan attack a referee
He was poor but no excuse

so we have the replay on the 18th, lose and the qualifier would be a week later and a 1/4 against Dublin the week after. Makes winning the replay even more important to avoid 3 games in 3 weeks with the Dubs the final one.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Look unlike yourself which is your right i don't chop change on one game with my views

When I see sustainable evidence we have changed then I'll be convinced

You have changed views as you well you know now be fair regards huge critsed cork to them jumping on the band wagon with few wins to then slate the set up despite not seeing the problem that are there


O Driscoll was outstanding but kerry half forward didn't test cork defence wise


How was management superb
You said last week cork have good results with draws one point losses before so with greatest respect posting wise you seem view that it acceptable loose games or draw games should won


Imagine Roy keane here like draw Holland away he was fuming as they should won


Kerry had five starters on the bench
Loughrey was left on donughe
Cronin outstanding taken off
Gould faded and deane on too late
Hurley stayed on while donnacha brilliant taken off


Now kelly should started but for Kerrigan wouldn't came on

Yet you say management were outstanding
In fairness now that's your view fair enough but I have higher standards in my rating of management


I called it probably only one last few days say kerry were complacent and at half time said Cork with goals real chance
Yet you say I'm digging
In fairness I'm saying what I said before


Where I was wrong was Kevin odriscoll who was outstanding be fair
Cork scored two points play with wind ist half and conceded two fifteen so hardly great display

Good heart and fight and individuals performance but still huge work do with the system

100% agree with you

Let's hope they build on this for the replay

Willie how was this a master class second half from management


They again bar the enforced change of awesome kelly who they failed to start didn't make one change til close to before the hour kerry had soon cork went level made changes total three up to that point cork one



We left a half back never in he's life corner back yes never ever on best forwards kerry had on field starting all game despite being roasted and kerry getting scores off Donough creative


O Connor got made goal four frees was involved three scores yet subbed and Hodnet thrown in deep end


We left Cronin half back when so great could held Donough and could be new Anthony lynch


Midfield cried out fresh legs yet deane comes on mine minutes left


Hurley was turning over ball like connaught do in rugby at huge rate yet he stays longer cork best forwards donnacha


Fitzmaurice was no angel today left Fitzgerald on Connor and was destroyed but just cause fionn got awesome point level it don't doubt he won be dropped next day or changed faster


Fitzmaurice also got bit arrogance in not starting five key players and Murphy sub earlier in defence but he done this as Dublin tried thirty six players in ten games and he trying build team but kerry now know too well can't loose next time or all Ireland is gone as loose two week and qualifier week after with Dublin week after that so don't want three games together

Kerry management made mistakes but they had excuse in trying build squad cork dont in cork have get team right as we crave ist win

Kerry for all faults today truly believed they draw as Fitzgerald went kick than play it in
Compare it o Neill outstanding free taker debut years ago kerry drew game with forty five and could scores but imo unusual he miss such kick but comes down imo Cork throwing kitchen sink kerry as hurt all negative views but still truly didn't belive could win as they had victory in sights

People seem oblivious fact Murphy young player year Gooch who just held deep when cork half back were all attacking scored and he'll do that next day as he'll start game geaney maher all made huge difference and kerry won't give cork momentum next time


Fitzmaurice will get critsed and rightly so and that worries me as with school team winning all Ireland and last year senior this management like even cody makes mistakes what departed them from other manager imo is unlike other who don't learn from mistake cody and he and Gavin will

Are cork ruthless know there must be changes next day at the back and kerry had forwards of work ethic but have that and guile and creativity and cohesion next day so must evolve


The dog on the street knows kerry will change for two weeks and pity not next week as they with hard day today couldn't improve fitness much week Saturday game as won't training til Tuesday but two week break means o Neill ramp up fitness this weekend and probably run them ground as have week recover next game as kerry looked lethargic also


Pat flangan deserves awesome credit for fitness cork and outstanding fitness coach but he's cork operating elite level in can't improve much as training since November and he target this game
Clear dawn break day kerry were recovery mode after warm weather camp three week ago
They won't be two week


We have hope and postive if we change some things but we must be wary and caution cork wounded today and we got reaction kerry now wounded and will be severe critsed by their own
Kerry will improve that's certain
Will cork improve
If we do we have a chance and we'll know Thursday week when the team is named


O rourke coming in to fray so Cork have options
As harsh may sound Barry Driscoll may have make way as he'll be defence tested next game and clancy has come in and Cork have forwards so Driscoll unfortunately imo be left out
He won't be allowed attack the next day cork have been smart
Loughrey has switch Cronin
Deane has start as something new to kerry

Kevin o Driscoll be fair was very good so he's to start
Suddenly within short space time Cork by some seen real deal when there's still same flaws parts team
Nobody wants be negative after game you draw but you got be to move forward where needed

Talk is kerry I hear had chat for hour half after game this evening if true so point is there not waiting till training they had clear air meeting fast where I'd say home truths said and kerry won't be arrogance next day and wounded kerry team is at most dangerous

wackokid wrote: »

All of TTM's sentences start with 'I' or 'I' told ye all, especially when it came to the O Driscoll brothers. Colm did his bit too when he came on and that late rugby tackle in mid field was the work of a man with brains. May well have saved us from a goal as the middle was wide open.
No doubt he will manage to wriggle out of his many silly predictions later. A bit like that silly grinning flute Brolly who now has so much egg on his mug that nobody takes him seriously now.

Here's a prediction for you TTM. Cork are better than Kerry and will beat them in the replay in spite of their very own ref.

Kevin was outstanding to be fair you absolutely outstanding

Colm be fair can't rate as wasn't on but you read my post I backed him hilt for black card as be fair took one for team and that deserves respect


That was never the issue
The worry is lack creativty he has
As seen again today cork didn't give o Neill hurley enough ball and colm wasn't even playing point is not just him I question
Can we please stop with your personal agenda my posts
We agreed lot things before be fair and you if you look back praised me only problem was when I question three players on performance that many other did also be fair
I won't go tit tat you as whether you belive it not I actually agree lot you say at times regards cork football bar few players


Referee was appalling worse Nolan last year in under twenty one but he gave decisions cork too


Brolly I have went off over personal attack on martyr but look brolly everything said and o se and even sweeny paper be fair had reason to on what we saw before today


And for all cork superior play we still drew a game
One swallow never made summer so until we have back back games doubts remain

I hope your right the next day and I ll be ist say you right kerry loose


Kevin Driscoll has stay defence role as I'd still wonder going forward has he scoring with in but I'd love be proven wrong

There's no wriggling out as before you posted i said after game o Driscoll brilliant and colm was right get send off


Would I started colm over Paddy kelly or Collins who outstanding today no I would not
So if you want colm start who do you drop
I have nothing against colm I just think cork have better and throw o rourke in and I'd start Brian Driscoll before colm also as Brian imo all star forward back in the making

Defence is still poor so is bring in gene Driscoll asap as worked cuthbhert before to fix this as knows players from under age so wouldn't disruption camp bringing him in now

Brolly made good point how bad referee was as I watched it there he was bad


Brolly also right before today cork two nice
Today cork weren't nice great see

See kerry went down and needed a lift picked fights as Tomas se said last week
That's why kerry win it win all cost
Cork shower it today but must do it and more next week to win

Gary Neville wrote: »

Master Class since the league final. The development of KOD is amazing. I didn't think he was IC class but he's one of our main men now. I also thought it was a huge mistake to play Barry O D at HB but he was unreal - Kerry couldn't handle him - MOTM.

I'm delighted for Cuthbert and the management - came in for very unfair criticism especially O Se and Masters although O Se did admit he went too far in criticising Cubby.

Training was closed doors and it looks like it was 1st class - KOH has really turned around the re-starts now - must have done huge work on this.

Kerry were gifted 2 goals and were outclassed for all but the last 15 minutes of the 1st half - that's an amazing turnaround in 12 months.

Even Brolly was full of admiration for Cork's character - got up off the floor twice and desperately unlucky to be caught.

This will be the makings of this team and management - I believe that there's an AI there before too long - I think we have reclaimed out seat at the top table.

was today a big improvement? yes but we were coming from such a low position. one swallow never made a summer, to think we are contenders just on today is foolish imo.

The White Feather wrote: »

I was utterly convinced this was the case for the match today and only got home for the second half as I thought why rush to see us hammered.

They put pride back into the jersey and I hope they can display the same fight and determination the next day.Take out the extremely soft penalty and we would have won.

Lets try to look at the many positives rather than thinking why bother turning up the next day. If we play like that second half we will win a lot of games.

Very proud of the Cork players now. I was so sure they would be hammered but they really stood up! We should have won definitely but no reason why we cant the next day.Now they know they can play like that they need to stand up again and finish the job off.The O'Driscolls were fantastic!

Dont be fooling yourself. Kerry were bad today and will never be as bad again. Cork will never be that good again. Kerry will destroy Cork in replay and then Dublin will murder us.

Brian Hurley stank the joint out yet again. Maybe Eammon Sweeney will blame Cubby? Mark Collins wasn't a whole lot better.Castleheaven will be quite for a while. Expect Kerry to win the replay as they have the better players but Cork will put up a fight again. Pitty they are so badly screwed by the draw.