DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread

RonanP77 · 02-07-2015 06:23PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

Yeah, same here.

I think I'll go early in the morning, 5.30 maybe, and run what I can in the time I have. Have to be home by 6.45 to start getting ready for work. Running at lunchtime wouldn't be feasible as I couldn't shower afterwards and on the day of a work do, I'd definitely want to be showered! :pac:

You'll be hooked as soon as you do one morning run, I absolutely love it, you end up feeling fresh and full of energy for the whole day afterwards.

paulers06 · 02-07-2015 07:09PM

Thanks everybody for your replies. Feels like like I spend all my time stalking running shoes online!

Impulse ordered 2 pairs of Saucony arriving at Lifestyle in Limerick tomorrow. They were on sale for €70 and I couldn't stop myself. Will return them if they don't feel right. Haven't had my gait checked in a while but was neutral last time it was done. Should probably get it analysed again. Used to run in Asics Nimbus for years and quite liked them but there's so many pretty shoes out there for me to try!

I think I need some sort of intervention. I've started carrying a pair of running socks in my bag at all times in case I see a pair of shoes I want to try on.

laura_ac3 · 02-07-2015 07:36PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Your words of run tall and watching my posture were in my head think it helped also discovered I'm a little competitive as I heard someone on my shoulder .... No way was I letting her past me .... What have I become

At least you didn't shout that thought out loud like I did

great meeting you and well done again on the PB.

nop98 · 02-07-2015 07:42PM

paulers06 wrote: »

Have people started thinking about their marathon shoes yet?

Have Kayano's at the moment, about 350miles up and not loving them. Thinking about the Saucony ride 7 next or the Brookes ghost. Can't find Saucony in Limerick so thinking of ordering off lifestyle and can return to a store if I don't like. I'm a 6.5 in Asics, any recommendations on whether to go for a 6 or 7 in Saucony?

I got myself some shiny Mizuno's of late, but we're not gelling. It's not them, it's me.

So, I'll keep the Mizuno's for the mid-week shorter stuff, but I'm seriously thinking of getting a pair of Saucony's (my previous pair) for the longer stuff and the actual marathon.

Phoebas · 02-07-2015 07:49PM

How many miles is the average pair of shoes supposed to last for anyway?

paulers06 · 02-07-2015 07:52PM

Phoebas wrote: »

How many miles is the average pair of shoes supposed to last for anyway?

I've been reading up a fair bit on this. Very light shoes may only last 300 miles whereas a typical Asics type should be changed anywhere from 450 - 550+ miles

Supposedly shoes are at their best 50-150 miles so a lot of runners will buy a pair and do a few short and one long run to bring them to the 50 mile mark for marathon day

annapr · 02-07-2015 07:53PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Where are the wise words of don't look at your watch don't let anyone pass you and take everyone out in front of you for the last 800 meters gone ????? Mmmmm who said that to me ????

as my daughters would say... Get a room!!!

It wasnt me123 · 02-07-2015 08:26PM

I wear Brooks Glycerin 12 - a cushioned neutral shoe.

I have an old pair (No. 11) I use for shortish runs and when the weather is bad

and a newer shinier pair (No. 12) I now use for long runs and racing.

I need another pair though as the 12's wont last on their own until October and the 11's will be finished fairly soon.

Can anyone recommend a cushioned neutral shoe, that isn't Brooks? Just fancy trying something different and something a bit cheaper!!

PJD · 02-07-2015 08:28PM

I have had a lay off this week as my Achilles has been a wee bit tight after last weekend. I have done a few short spins on the bike, am feeling recovered and want to go into the clontarf half fresh and PREPARED! The kit is ready (dg, I will not make the same mistake as last week) and I want to note down the kms where the water stops are and when to take my gels. What is the best method for doing this? A card would be too annoying. I was thinking of writing it on my arm or hand but sweat could make it smudge. Best product / ideas welcome!

Mrs Mc · 02-07-2015 08:30PM

laura_ac3 wrote: »

At least you didn't shout that thought out loud like I did great meeting you and well done again on the PB.

Good meeting you too, might see you again there soon.

Mrs Mc · 02-07-2015 08:33PM

PJD wrote: »

I have had a lay off this week as my Achilles has been a wee bit tight after last weekend. I have done a few short spins on the bike, am feeling recovered and want to go into the clontarf half fresh and PREPARED! The kit is ready (dg, I will not make the same mistake as last week) and I want to note down the kms where the water stops are and when to take my gels. What is the best method for doing this? A card would be too annoying. I was thinking of writing it on my arm or hand but sweat could make it smudge. Best product / ideas welcome!

Best of luck with the run P. Take care coming on and off the beach the soft sand can cause havoc with injuries so take it handy. Mind the achilles ! Would love to be doing it but heading away on hols Saturday. Did it last year and its a nice course. Good luck.:)

PJD · 02-07-2015 08:36PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Best of luck with the run P. Take care coming on and off the beach the soft sand can cause havoc with injuries so take it handy. Mind the achilles ! Would love to be doing it but heading away on hols Saturday. Did it last year and its a nice course. Good luck.:)

Good point! Thanks. Enjoy the hols and remember to pack the running gear!!

tommyh1977 · 02-07-2015 08:38PM

paulers06 wrote: »

Have people started thinking about their marathon shoes yet?

Have Kayano's at the moment, about 350miles up and not loving them. Thinking about the Saucony ride 7 next or the Brookes ghost. Can't find Saucony in Limerick so thinking of ordering off lifestyle and can return to a store if I don't like. I'm a 6.5 in Asics, any recommendations on whether to go for a 6 or 7 in Saucony?

I had to go down a half size in Saucony, hope this helps

Mrs Mc · 02-07-2015 09:00PM

PJD wrote: »

Good point! Thanks. Enjoy the hols and remember to pack the running gear!!

All packed !!!:)

Bungy Girl · 02-07-2015 09:04PM

PJD wrote: »

I want to note down the kms where the water stops are and when to take my gels. What is the best method for doing this? A card would be too annoying. I was thinking of writing it on my arm or hand but sweat could make it smudge. Best product / ideas welcome!

A pace band will do the job! Have a look at this, make it water/sweat proof with sellotape and you'll barely notice it when you're running.

donglen · 02-07-2015 09:06PM

Mrs Mc wrote: »

Best of luck with the run P. Take care coming on and off the beach the soft sand can cause havoc with injuries so take it handy. Mind the achilles ! Would love to be doing it but heading away on hols Saturday. Did it last year and its a nice course. Good luck.:)

Just to add to the note of caution here. I'm a victim of a previous ruptured Achilles, it involves a long long recovery period. This was about 10 years ago and one of the instructions I can still recall from the rehab is that I was to "never run on sand with a weak Achilles". Obviously the softer the sand the more unstable the foot will be, take it handy on that section.

PJD · 02-07-2015 09:12PM

Bungy Girl wrote: »

A pace band will do the job! Have a look at this, make it water/sweat proof with sellotape and you'll barely notice it when you're running.

nice one bungy girl!

advice noted donglen. Will be super careful.

adrian522 · 02-07-2015 09:19PM

PJD wrote: »

I have had a lay off this week as my Achilles has been a wee bit tight after last weekend. I have done a few short spins on the bike, am feeling recovered and want to go into the clontarf half fresh and PREPARED! The kit is ready (dg, I will not make the same mistake as last week) and I want to note down the kms where the water stops are and when to take my gels. What is the best method for doing this? A card would be too annoying. I was thinking of writing it on my arm or hand but sweat could make it smudge. Best product / ideas welcome!

Well, the water stops are so regular you don't really need to remember where they are. Every 3 miles or so. The great thing about Dublin is you get small bottles, about 200-250mls that you can carry with you and drink as you go.

On Gels, need to practice how often you will be able to take them. last year I went with one every 5 miles so carried 4. 5,10,15,20 miles. Not that hard to remember.

But it will be different for everyone, some people will be able to take more, some not able to take that much.

neilthefunkeone · 02-07-2015 09:35PM

adrian522 wrote: »

The great thing about Dublin is you get small bottles, about 200-250mls that you can carry with you and drink as you go.

Except the one stand where the scout kids had taken the lids off all the bottles... Damn time giving, caring volunteers!!!

mobfromcork · 02-07-2015 09:39PM

This Fat Girl Runs wrote: »

Yeah, same here.

I think I'll go early in the morning, 5.30 maybe, and run what I can in the time I have. Have to be home by 6.45 to start getting ready for work. Running at lunchtime wouldn't be feasible as I couldn't shower afterwards and on the day of a work do, I'd definitely want to be showered! :pac:

I think you mentioned before that you run in or near the Phoenix Park. It's great at that time of the morning. Very light traffic, sun rising over the city, lots of deer and a nice gentle slope back down Chesterfield if you are coming out the front gate towards the end of your run.
I go there 4 or 5 mornings a week between 6 and 7.15am. It's great in the winter when it's still dark and dawn breaks as you're running around. It has its drawbacks too though. I frightened the life out of one couple who were out for an early morning walk/jog near the Papal Cross a few months ago. I was running along the trail/path under the trees going towards the roundabout outside the Áras and they were ahead of me. They didn't hear me until I was passing them and the woman gave a fairly startled shriek and physically recoiled. If a sweaty, moderately bearded (at the time) skinhead suddenly appeared from out of the trees in the half-light while breathing heavily I think I might let a bit of a roar out of me too! I apologised and trotted on.

I agree with some of the posts above. Morning runs really set me up for the day, both mentally and physically.

Pink11 · 02-07-2015 09:57PM

I have used Mizuno and Asics GT range.

I was going to change to Asics Kayano next. Disapointed to read they didn't work for you. What was wrong with them? Should I stick with the GTs?

Food - normal mid week food:

breakfast: porridge with hazelnut or almond milk and a tiny spoon of peanut butter to make it taste nice. Also put in a spoonful of ground flaxseed and prune.

Lunch: stir fry (either chicken/veg or just veg and brown rice)

If I'm doing a big run I'll have a small bowl of porridge with water at about 4.30/5pm

Dinner (after run/exercise): Stir fry variation again or a tuna sandwich or wheat free spag bol. I pack that with veg too.
If I've had along run I'll have some hot coco with almond or hazelnut milk. Recently got dark chocolate flavour soya. I think this might be my new favourite.

I eat chocolate almost every day. It's my weakness. Normally have a bit at night with my peppermint or green tea.

I have stomach problems so I stay away from wheat and dairy. I try to cut down on meat and stick to as much veg as possible. If I don't have meat in my meal I'll replace with various beans for example kidney, butter beans, lentils etc.

Still haven't picked my training plan! But I'm still doing my usual i.e bending marathon training plans to suit my schedule! I did the 8km last Saturday at the SSE race series. Took Sunday off although I read after on here I should have done a little run! I'll know better next time....

I ran 20km on Monday evening. I normally just take water with me but decided to experiment. Put a tiny bit of lucozade sport in as I was exhausted from the humidity and a long day at work. I have to say it worked a treat. Had a really comfortable run. I also wanted to practice as I've never drank energy drinks while running believe it or not! Presume this is not something I should keep up in training? I should run without it?

Running the HM on Saturday in Clontarf. Very excited! Today was a rest day so I spent it preparing meals to take me up till Sunday!

My Garmin forerunner 110w arrived today. Can't wait to use it on Saturday. Never used one before but after reading on here etc how important it is, I decided to invest.

nop98 · 02-07-2015 10:00PM

Us Novices have logged > 1,000M in the tracking spreadsheet. Go us!

chrislad · 02-07-2015 10:06PM

I'll probably need new shoes about the time of the half marathon in Dublin. I was using GT 2000s but I switched to Brooks Ghosts 7s and I've been alternating between both of them the last few weeks. I did my run in the Brooks tonight and found them a bit more comfortable than the GTs. I'll pop into amphibian king when I'm getting a new pair as those will be the marathon shoes.

paulers06 · 02-07-2015 10:21PM

Pink11 wrote: »

I have used Mizuno and Asics GT range.

I was going to change to Asics Kayano next. Disapointed to read they didn't work for you. What was wrong with them? Should I stick with the GTs?

I found them a bit rigid if that makes sense? I had the Asics nimbus before these and they felt lovely. Like strapping marshmallows to your feet and running on a cloud. I think they had more mesh on top too so a bit more give in them.

Suppose it's all about personal preference. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I don't dislike the Kayano, just not in love with it. For the price of them I'd want to be drooling over them to buy again

Phoebas · 02-07-2015 10:23PM

paulers06 wrote: »

Like strapping marshmallows to your feet and running on a cloud.

If they can guarantee that at mile 22 they have a deal.

RonanP77 · 02-07-2015 10:24PM

If people find something that works for them would they not just keep getting a newer pair of the same? I'll need new runners for the Marathon, I intend getting them soon enough and wearing them every so often so they're worn in, I wear Brooks something or others, they suit because I have flat feet, I was going to go with the same again.

Pink11 · 02-07-2015 10:26PM

paulers06 wrote: »

I found them a bit rigid if that makes sense? I had the Asics nimbus before these and they felt lovely. Like strapping marshmallows to your feet and running on a cloud. I think they had more mesh on top too so a bit more give in them.

Suppose it's all about personal preference. Different strokes for different folks and all that. I don't dislike the Kayano, just not in love with it. For the price of them I'd want to be drooling over them to buy again

Thanks for that. Did you find the Nimbus were fully supportive? They are supposed to be 'neutral' support where as Kayano and GT are geared towards 'stability' - which is what I need. I need full support across my feet according to the experts. The saying 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' is hammered into me but I'm also curious to see if I can get better or even lighter shoes.

Suppose we all just have to try them out for ourselves.

Phoebas · 02-07-2015 10:30PM

RonanP77 wrote: »

If people find something that works for them would they not just keep getting a newer pair of the same? I'll need new runners for the Marathon, I intend getting them soon enough and wearing them every so often so they're worn in, I wear Brooks something or others, they suit because I have flat feet, I was going to go with the same again.

I suppose you never really know if there's a better pair out there for you.

I've only been running for 3 pairs worth, so if I stuck to one pair now, I'd never know if there was a fluffy marshmallow pair out there somewhere that I'm missing out on.

hillsiderunner · 02-07-2015 10:36PM

RonanP77 wrote: »

If people find something that works for them would they not just keep getting a newer pair of the same? I'll need new runners for the Marathon, I intend getting them soon enough and wearing them every so often so they're worn in, I wear Brooks something or others, they suit because I have flat feet, I was going to go with the same again.

I agree. Used to wear a particular model from Mizuno for years until they changed the midfoot design to become less flexible in last year's update, and it wasn't a good option for me after that (still have to stick that pair on ebay in fact ....).

Had to find a new option and am in *love* with the Saucony Jazz (neutral, cushioned, light for higher-arch supinators). Have gone through 1 pair already, are rotating two right now, and there is a fresh pair on top of the wardrobe for the future. Have them in two colours

.

But all this is irrelevant to anyone else, because you can only choose a pair by visiting a shop which has expertise, trying pairs on and getting advice (of course in the future you can re-order the same pair online). The brand of the shoe is irrelevant, you need the right model for your type of foot.

(and in fact I got a minor injury (small stress reaction) by buying a new version/number of the *same* model over the internet.)

hillsiderunner · 02-07-2015 10:39PM

Pink11 wrote: »

Thanks for that. Did you find the Nimbus were fully supportive? They are supposed to be 'neutral' support where as Kayano and GT are geared towards 'stability' - which is what I need. I need full support across my feet according to the experts. The saying 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' is hammered into me but I'm also curious to see if I can get better or even lighter shoes.

Suppose we all just have to try them out for ourselves.

If you're supposed to be in stability shoes, then I think you shouldn't be in the Nimbus. That's what I meant above when I said brand is irrelevant, *Model* (Kayano versus Nimbus) is what matters for your particular feet. Listen to the experts in the shops anyway.

Had a pair of the Nimbus many years ago but didn't love them as much as people here personally ...

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