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DCM 2015: Mentored Novices Thread
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Deleted User wrote: »Good luck at the physio's Yoda. Hope it's something little
Lads, am I allowed to ask here, what would be some of your typical diets? I'd love to know what you all eat
That sounds creepy. I'm just so obsessed with food, you've no idea >.>
Breakfast: Porridge or 2 boiled eggs and a greek yoghurt
Lunch : Chicken wrap with tomato (wholemeal wrap)
Dinner : Normally bolognase with wholemeal paste, lasagne (again with wholemeal pasta), chicken paste dish or chicken wraps.
Snacks: The odd bar of chocolate but mainly those Glenisk Greek Yoghurts (the plain ones) - bitter taste, which I like but isn't for everyone one, and high in protein.0 -
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This could be over before it has even begun.
My groin is just getting worse, and now on both sides rather than just the right. Last week it would ache after runs, but now its moving from a dull ache to a sharper pain. I struggled through tonights 5k but it isn't right and I know it. Unfortunately I'm no stranger to groin injuries so I know what this means.
Its crazy, I've been running for months without a bother, generally at a 5.20/5.30 pace. Then I start the marathon training and actually slow down to do so, and bang, injury straight away.
I guess all I can do now is stop for this week, skip week 2 and then go out next Monday and see where its at. Groins take a while to heal though and I know I can't miss the first month of training if I realistically want to do DCM 2015. Second year in a row injury is going to stop me, this really sucks.0 -
bucketybuck wrote: »This could be over before it has even begun.
My groin is just getting worse, and now on both sides rather than just the right. Last week it would ache after runs, but now its moving from a dull ache to a sharper pain. I struggled through tonights 5k but it isn't right and I know it. Unfortunately I'm no stranger to groin injuries so I know what this means.
Its crazy, I've been running for months without a bother, generally at a 5.20/5.30 pace. Then I start the marathon training and actually slow down to do so, and bang, injury straight away.
I guess all I can do now is stop for this week, skip week 2 and then go out next Monday and see where its at. Groins take a while to heal though and I know I can't miss the first month of training if I realistically want to do DCM 2015. Second year in a row injury is going to stop me, this really sucks.
I'm sorry to hear that. I hope the rest does you good and you can get back to running with no problems. 0 -
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bucketybuck wrote: »This could be over before it has even begun.
My groin is just getting worse, and now on both sides rather than just the right. Last week it would ache after runs, but now its moving from a dull ache to a sharper pain. I struggled through tonights 5k but it isn't right and I know it. Unfortunately I'm no stranger to groin injuries so I know what this means.
Its crazy, I've been running for months without a bother, generally at a 5.20/5.30 pace. Then I start the marathon training and actually slow down to do so, and bang, injury straight away.
I guess all I can do now is stop for this week, skip week 2 and then go out next Monday and see where its at. Groins take a while to heal though and I know I can't miss the first month of training if I realistically want to do DCM 2015. Second year in a row injury is going to stop me, this really sucks.
I feel your frustration, like yourself I was happily clocking 30-35 mile weeks. Just after completing the Limerick Half Marathon, improving my time by 16 minutes over my previous and first half, I got struck with a hamstring attachment injury. Here I am 2 months later and only yesterday got the green light from physio to start back running and load the muscle gradually to see how it goes. If it holds I'm hoping to train on for Dublin, if it calves again, then I've decided not this year.
The one thing I learned from injury is to stop all training and get professional treatment sooner rather than later. I wasted at least four, if not five valuable weeks messing around with the injury myself, foam rolling, rolling a hockey ball along the hamstring tendon, icing, anti-inflammatories etc. Turns out I was actually aggravating the problem more than helping it. Here I am less than two weeks after proper treatment and i'm slowly and cautiously starting back. I don't know if the tendon will hold up, but in that two weeks I got ten time further than the 5 weeks I spent messing around myself. Best of luck with it, hope it heals up for you ASAP.0 -
Deleted User wrote: »I can't get the hang of Aqua Jogging at all.
At least - I feel like I can't. Maybe I'm doing it right, but it feels so wrong!
Sorry about the delay whoopsa, I know you're back running but no harm to have a read and maybe continue to supplement your running with aqua jogging. I know I plan to
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Thanks for that The Slow One, it sounds like you're quite self aware regarding what went right and what didn't. Race reports are great for clarifying your thoughts and looking for what you can take from it all. You're dead right to start nailing your pre-race routine down now and glad to see you're looking at your form and breathingThe Slow One wrote: »Busy weekend so it’s a late report on the 5 miler. 50.24, pb by 23 seconds
Pre-race
Hydrated well and ate well in the days leading up to the race. Got 7.5 hours sleep the night before, woke up at 7, pulled back the curtains and went oh crap because the sun was already shining and it was supposed to get cloudy later which meant humidity as well as heat. Had usual pre-race breakfast of muesli, yoghurt and orange juice at 7.15. Got to the start area at 9.15, found some shade and stretched there, warmed up along the Furze Road, beyond the finish line and back. Took my place at the back of the second wave, to have a bit of space to myself at the start, only to realise I was actually at the front of the third wave and mobbed.
Mile 1
Started up the middle of the road to avoid the camber at the side, turning on to North Road a few people cut across me trying to take a big chunk off the corner (seriously folks, if you’re going to sign up for a 5 mile race, run the 5 miles!). Felt comfortable along the North Road.
Mile 2
Thinking about my form and breathing crossing from North Road to Acres Road, going comfortably. Got to Khyber Road and moved to the right-hand side as the cycle path is a bit smoother.
Mile 3
Take it easy coming down hill and a few go ahead of me. Breathing and form feel right. Turn on to Military Road and start uphill. The best I’ve ever run Military Road, consistent pace from bottom to top, legs feel good and the rest of me isn’t feeling any great discomfort.
Mile 4
As well as being net downhill, do the S bends have some sort of psychedelic quality? Always feel better at the end of them. Take it easy on the downhill, concentrating on my form and trying to relax as much as I can. Feels good starting the uphill on to the Glen Road until….
Mile 5
I’ve had stitches before in races but never anything as bad as this. Felt like I was shot on the right of my stomach. Tried to htfu but had to stop let it ease for a moment. Got going again but wasn’t any better than lsr pace. Got going a little bit more down the Furze Road but it was hard work. Got to the finish line and wretched twice, thought I was going to vomit. Wasn’t following my splits on the Garmin but I know the last mile took nearly 13 minutes.
Post-race
Thank god the cups of water were close by. Joined in the boot camp warm-down which was good and walked down Chesterfield Avenue to get the bus from Heuston with no problems. Did a warm-down of about 2.5 miles with no stiffness or soreness. Was in a fouler over the race afterwards. Wife took me to Mad Max Fury Road to cheer me up. Film was awful but at least the race didn’t seem so bad by comparison so I cheered up unintentionally.
Positives
- It’s a pb
- Legs felt good during the race, after the race, that night, the next morning, no stiffness or soreness. Best they’ve ever felt after a race.
- I know my form and breathing does lapse from time-to-time but it still improved significantly in the last 2 weeks thanks to our guru DG72.
- Ran Military Road well and comfortably.
Negatives
- The stitch. I’ve read up a bit this morning and orange juice in the morning might not be helping, so will stick to water in future. Will try a few things out pre-lsr in the coming weeks and see what works. Might need to get up earlier to have breakfast earlier. Any other suggestions will be gratefully received.
- Not being in the right position at the start, my own fault, not going to blame signs.
- Might need to get more sleep midweek.
- No flapjack.
Wasn’t going to do the 10k in Swords initially but signed up for it now. Working down in Limerick this week so looking forward to the change of scenery and getting a few miles done along the Shannon.
What did you take from your pacing strategy and was the stitch related to the hill at all do you think? Sounds like a bad one :eek:
And as for flapjacks...I don't think I'll make it to the Fingal 10k, you might have to wait for the 10 miler :pac:0 -
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It wasnt me123 wrote: »Morning, so I had another look at this week's plan. I had already had to switch it around as my work days have changed but its nice to have fresh eyes on it.
we are off to Wexford for the day so no boot camp this evening, I'll do Dundrum tomorrow evening, its supposed to be flat and I'll do a recovery run Thursday after work, rest Friday as I'm working and lsr Saturday.
Thanks for that, have a good day folks, I'll be paddling at Fethard on Sea :P
Great day for paddling! Let us know how you get on, I expect a full and detailed race report Don't go off too hard and remember 'breathe, run tall, relax and SMILE'! 
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Hi guys,
I've been training with a marathon in mind for months on my own but just hadn't decided which one I'd do. Now that I've the all clear from work in October, I've decided I'll do the DCM.
I would love to join this thread for motivation and have so much respect for Dubsgal. Been lurking through the thread for weeks now and you all seem great - love the positive attitude. I really think this thread will help me and I hope I can help others too from my mistakes to date!
So, I'm having trouble picking a training plan. I've been doing a lot of research but just not sure which will suit me best.
I have a strange routine with work/travel so my long runs would have to be done on a Monday Or Tuesday evening after work. I can train mid week easily enough. My weekends can be messy at times but they are days I could get my short runs in.
I can commit to 4/5 days a week of training. And I also do TRX, circuits and free weights/toning at least once, if not twice a week.
Sometimes life gets in the way and I have to move things around so that's where I need help picking a somewhat flexible plan. Sorry for asking in this thread, just really need help picking one.
Thanks in advance to all. This thread is so inspiring. I'm really excited to run my first marathon!
Hi Pink and welcome! So your schedule is pretty much back to front?! From my own experience, I'm not sure how a long run after work will work out. What time do you finish work at? You'll be out for 90 minutes frequently and more as the weeks go on. Remember you have to factor in stretching after, tissue massage via foam rolling/tennis ball etc, shower, food and unwinding...plus get your 8hours plus on top of that. Can you aim to do some of your long runs on the morning of your day off? This will get you used to running long miles in the morning which is what you want to train your body to do for marathon day...
You will also need to prioritise running and this may mean limiting your gym sessions to once a week.
What plans are 'grabbing you'? And of course it will help to know where you're at via *the questions* 0 -
Hi jmcc99 thanks and welcome back back back...backHi Guys,
I've decided to join in again this year as I have enjoyed this thread no end over the past few years. Also I am still to achieve my goal of a sub 4 hour marathon, although I have come dangerously close on 3 occasions (Dublin 2015 will be my 4th Marathon hopefully)
What is your athletics background? Have you run before? What other sports have you taken part in and at what level?
I have been running for around 4 years. I gradually picked up the distance over the years. I have run DCM 2013 (4:04:35), Berlin 2014 (4:01:30) and DCM 2014 (4:03:50). There were only 4 weeks between Berlin and DCM 2014
Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
5km - 21:14
10km - 47:20
10mile - 1:19:20
HM - 1:48:00
Marathon 4:01:30
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training ? (No problem if you do)
No
How much training do you currently do incl cross training? Distances, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
I tend to run three to 4 days a week - I try to do one day core work at least, and cycle about 4-5 miles each day (commute)
How many days a week do you run only?
3-4
What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
Still hoping to break the 4 hour
What marathon programme are you following/intending to use?
I tend to take a few of the plans that available and tamper with them to fit my life and the training with my running club
The marathon is a great event, the training for it is tough, but can be extremely enjoyable and very rewarding. The feeling that those of you doing your 1st marathon will get when you cross the line will never be forgotten.
I look forward to getting to know ye over the next few months. The novices thread is a great resource and thanks to @Dubgal for mentoring! Wow, we're feeling the pressure now to get you sub 4 :eek: What do you think was missing from the last three attempts and is it something you'll be able to overcome this time round? Just curious about your tampering...will you give us a glimpse of your plan this time round please?!
Hoping to hear lots and lots from you on this thread, we want to squeeze every bit of marathon-related experience out of you!0 -
Took two days rest after the SSE 5 mile race on Sat. Went out for my usual 6k run this am. Was feeling grand & taking it very handy @ 5:45/km because it was very warm/muggy (even at 6:15am!).
Then, right at 5k, felt a twinge in my hip & it quickly became painful. It wasn't an excruciating pain, but was too uncomfortable to run. I walked the 1km back home. Been limping around the place today. Dunno what happened. Off the the physio later. Hopefully it's nothing serious.
Ouch, keep us posted won't you?
Edit, just saw your update. Glad to see you're in good hands. Do as you're told now 0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »Good luck at the physio's Yoda. Hope it's something little
Lads, am I allowed to ask here, what would be some of your typical diets? I'd love to know what you all eat
That sounds creepy. I'm just so obsessed with food, you've no idea >.>
My goodness you are a healthy lot!
Just a few observations; watch out for hidden sugars (Nutella - not so hidden, peanut butter etc), avoiding processed foods will generally get you over that hurdle. A spoon of Nutella and peanut butter would be a great recovery snack after a long run of 90 mins+ though
Have a google for how decaf coffee is made. You might decide to stick to the real stuff after reading :eek: and also avoid sparkling drinks, I may be wrong but my understanding is sparkling drinks interfere with bone calcium.
I like to alternate breakfasts with a carb based one and a protein based one (generally porridge with Greek yoghurt alternated with some form of egg based meal).
Lunch is generally a wrap or bagel, sometimes soup or home made pizza.
Dinner is the usual, always made from scratch. Current fave is local salad with sugar snap peas from the garden (get me ) with chopped nuts and out-of-the-world balsamic and eucalyptus dressing from lidl all topped off with some grated hard Italian cheese.
Snacks are generally dried fruit/trail mix, nuts and seeds. Oh and dark chocolate...and ok, sometimes milk choc...and maybe a teensy bit of other crap. Just not too much
A glass of vino goes down well but it is timed with military precision these days, after a hard run but always at least two days before my next hard session. And the crazy thing....I don't even mind!!!
And like Adrian says, marathon training us not a blank cheque to eat what you want, sorry guys :mad:0 -
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Funny, isn't it? I know this is only my 4th week of running 4 days a week but not once yet have I wanted to get out of a run. Hopefully the enthusiasm will continue even when the weather is not so nice!
I couldn't agree with you more Toulouse, i actually look forward to my nightly runs, i've even started to skip pages when i'm reading my kids their bedtime story to get out quicker. i think my daughter is on to me though. 0 -
Physio on speed dial? So frustrating but probably get to the underlying cause of this....let us know won't you?bucketybuck wrote: »This could be over before it has even begun.
My groin is just getting worse, and now on both sides rather than just the right. Last week it would ache after runs, but now its moving from a dull ache to a sharper pain. I struggled through tonights 5k but it isn't right and I know it. Unfortunately I'm no stranger to groin injuries so I know what this means.
Its crazy, I've been running for months without a bother, generally at a 5.20/5.30 pace. Then I start the marathon training and actually slow down to do so, and bang, injury straight away.
I guess all I can do now is stop for this week, skip week 2 and then go out next Monday and see where its at. Groins take a while to heal though and I know I can't miss the first month of training if I realistically want to do DCM 2015. Second year in a row injury is going to stop me, this really sucks.Week 2 officially started. 3 easy miles done.
Slowing down during runs really helps, who knew!
Great stuffbetty swollox wrote: »well i gotta say i'm a slave to the plan:), went out for a run at 9pm (to avoid the heat) and i was sweating like Wayne Rooney on countdown. In all fairness i'm really enjoying training this time around and this thread has been invaluable.
Lovely to hear! There will be days though...we'll kick you out don't sorry!Funny, isn't it? I know this is only my 4th week of running 4 days a week but not once yet have I wanted to get out of a run. Hopefully the enthusiasm will continue even when the weather is not so nice!
Why would you deviate from the plan so much? Hhn2 has one HM in week 9... There is no need for three HMs during marathon training.Last night I mentioned fitting in a 3rd event if I changed things up a bit. Today I had a look and came up with 3 that suit.
Rock 'n' Roll HM - 02/08
I'm down for a 21.1k LSR that day anyway so that fits in perfectly.
Longford HM - 30/08
27.4k LSR is the plan for that day so this wouldn't be too bad, a bit of a slow warmup beforehand would see me get the miles in.
Moone Kilomarathon (26.2k) - 27/09
24.4k LSR planned so about the same.
There are 4 weeks between each event, they all tie in with LSRs of similar distance from my plan, they're all relatively close to me. All are preceded by a x-training day and followed by rest days so that suits too. I'd be dropping the events I was going to do so this would be it for me for the summer.
Now for the big question, am I allowed to do these or am I in trouble?
I took on board the previous advice about avoiding having events too close together, I figure the race series has them about 4 weeks apart so this should be OK.0 -
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