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Callan57 · 30-06-2015 09:12AM

Woolly headed economics from Paul Murphy again

Happyman42 · 30-06-2015 09:22AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Woolly headed economics from Paul Murphy again

Nothing wooly about where the money went it seems.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/29/where-did-the-greek-bailout-money-go

Odyssey 2005 · 30-06-2015 09:25AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Woolly headed economics from Paul Murphy again

He's coming across as an arrogant,ignorant know it all pr/ck:(

Call me Al · 30-06-2015 09:25AM

Best news I've heard so far today, Paul Murphy off to Athens shortly.

Callan57 · 30-06-2015 09:26AM

Ah sweet God, you can "make money out of nothing" - Paul Murphy's Economics (now why doesn't that surprise me)

Odyssey 2005 · 30-06-2015 09:32AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Ah sweet God, you can "make money out of nothing" - Paul Murphy's Economics (now why doesn't that surprise me)

He thinks the money tree outside the central bank is real..

Call me Al · 30-06-2015 09:38AM

I thought it was very interesting that he felt informed enough to tell the Greek gentleman, the chairman of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, how they could turn things around.

touts · 30-06-2015 09:38AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Woolly headed economics from Paul Murphy again

It would be "woolly" if it wasn't for the socialist rubbish he keeps spouting being so dangerous. Like all hardline socialist states in history his respect for "democracy" won't apply when he is 10 years in office and the polls are running against him.

Callan57 · 30-06-2015 09:44AM

Call me Al wrote: »

I thought it was very interesting that he felt informed enough to tell the Greek gentleman, the chairman of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, how they could turn things around.

Isn't it ever thus ... those who have never created anything pontificating to those who are at least prepared to put a shoulder to the wheel.
Those who can do and those who can't waffle ... :rolleyes:

Uncle Ben · 30-06-2015 09:48AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Ah sweet God, you can "make money out of nothing" - Paul Murphy's Economics (now why doesn't that surprise me)

I think Murphy is as economically literate as those who believe 11,000,000 Greeks can repay 300 billion. The EEC has gone mad.

Brendan Bendar · 30-06-2015 10:21AM

Call me Al wrote: »

I thought it was very interesting that he felt informed enough to tell the Greek gentleman, the chairman of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, how they could turn things around.

I always love it when these people, Murphy et al plus the various punters attached to Shane Ross adopt the attitude of knowing the way to sort out all these problems.

They have all the 'solutions' but of course it's the implementing that is the difficult part ,like where does the money,resources,come from.

Who suffers as a result,does it disrupt the market,who operates the system,what are the criteria,where do you start.....all these 'little things'.

I take all those wafflers with a pinch of salt.

Odyssey 2005 · 30-06-2015 11:04AM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I always love it when these people, Murphy et al plus the various punters attached to Shane Ross adopt the attitude of knowing the way to sort out all these problems.

They have all the 'solutions' but of course it's the implementing that is the difficult part ,like where does the money,resources,come from.

Who suffers as a result,does it disrupt the market,who operates the system,what are the criteria,where do you start.....all these 'little things'.

I take all those wafflers with a pinch of salt.

The problem is that all the anti establishment voters don take them with a pinch of salt,and their number is growing due to the way the present and last government railroaded over us.

Brendan Bendar · 30-06-2015 01:10PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

The problem is that all the anti establishment voters don take them with a pinch of salt,and their number is growing due to the way the present and last government railroaded over us.

Railroaded

Odyssey 2005 · 30-06-2015 02:35PM

Irish water
Not another Red Cent
The great Alan Shatter cover up
Etc etc.

Brendan Bendar · 30-06-2015 04:43PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Irish water
Not another Red Cent
The great Alan Shatter cover up
Etc etc.

Eh?

alaimacerc · 30-06-2015 04:43PM

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

The problem is that all the anti establishment voters don take them with a pinch of salt,and their number is growing due to the way the present and last government railroaded over us.

Precisely who are these "anti-establishment voters", and what is that they believe? And indeed, want?

I think it's clear that a lot of people voting -- or opinion-polling favourably -- for SF, independents, etc are indeed cheesed off at the present government, and the previous one. Though FG+FF have well over half the electorate in support of them -- and always have. In any other European democracy, that would be a "massive built-in majority for the conservative parties".

But what do these "anti" voters want? If they turn out for Renua, Ross quasi-indies, "gene pool" indies, and other right-populist and incoherent localist ones, then they're in effect voting for exactly the same thing as before... just trying to emplace a new bunch of conventional centre-right spoofers to sell it back to them.

Note in particular that very few of them are voting for the SP or SWP "groupings", so one surely should be very cautious indeed as diagnosing any of the above as a "far left" vote. Or even a coherent "left" vote at all.

Brendan Bendar · 30-06-2015 05:01PM

alaimacerc wrote: »

Precisely who are these "anti-establishment voters", and what is that they believe? And indeed, want?

I think it's clear that a lot of people voting -- or opinion-polling favourably -- for SF, independents, etc are indeed cheesed off at the present government, and the previous one. Though FG+FF have well over half the electorate in support of them -- and always have. In any other European democracy, that would be a "massive built-in majority for the conservative parties".

But what do these "anti" voters want? If they turn out for Renua, Ross quasi-indies, "gene pool" indies, and other right-populist and incoherent localist ones, then they're in effect voting for exactly the same thing as before... just trying to emplace a new bunch of conventional centre-right spoofers to sell it back to them.

By
Note in particular that very few of them are voting for the SP or SWP "groupings", so one surely should be very cautious indeed as diagnosing any of the above as a "far left" vote. Or even a coherent "left" vote at all.

At the end of the day it's what you ' have to lose' dictates your vote

Those who have savings,property,families, a future want those in power who will,in their view, support those values and not grind them into the ground with taxes to support non-triers.

It encourages them to to advance themselves and gain qualifications to improve their quality of life.
Those who never contributed owt to the national tax cake don't give a fiddlers who is in power , makes no difference to them, therefore they tend to gravitate towards the candidates who promise everything.

That's how it rolls.

touts · 01-07-2015 09:33AM

Joan Burton is getting her ass kicked by Sean. Destroyed her on Greece, Denis O'Brien and now on single mothers. She's fuming. Grab the popcorn and tune in.

HeidiHeidi · 01-07-2015 09:38AM

touts wrote: »

Joan Burton is getting her ass kicked by Sean. Destroyed her on Greece, Denis O'Brien and now on single mothers. She's fuming. Grab the popcorn and tune in.

Had to tune out.

Her voice has gone up about an octave since the start of the interview, I feared for my crystal :eek:

Callan57 · 01-07-2015 09:40AM

touts wrote: »

Joan Burton is getting her ass kicked by Sean. Destroyed her on Greece, Denis O'Brien and now on single mothers. She's fuming. Grab the popcorn and tune in.

Why doesn't one of her well paid handlers tell her simply to remain silent until Sean finished? She keeps falling into the trap of trying to shout him down.

touts · 01-07-2015 09:42AM

She angrily demanded the details of one texter and then calmed down and said it was to "help her". You could imagine the handlers outside the window in the producers booth frantically waving. But there was a definite threatening tone in her voice. She is way way out of her depth.

Bits_n_Bobs · 01-07-2015 09:42AM

Actually I want a country where political parties follow through on the manifestos they espouse during elections.

Odyssey 2005 · 01-07-2015 09:43AM

Horrible money voice on her. SOR ripping her a new one. Something else for her to talk through though.

Odyssey 2005 · 01-07-2015 09:45AM

We have a long way to go ha ha
And a short time to get there

BarryD · 01-07-2015 09:47AM

Joan is handling him well enough - easy for media people like SOR with no political or economic responsibilities to ask difficult questions. But could they answer them themselves??

Bits_n_Bobs · 01-07-2015 09:48AM

Joan says "We'e a number of months to make it better again"

I hear "We're going to piss away money we don't have at the next budget in the vague hope of buying enough votes to scrape in again"

P. Breathnach · 01-07-2015 09:51AM

Callan57 wrote: »

Why doesn't one of her well paid handlers tell her simply to remain silent until Sean finished? She keeps falling into the trap of trying to shout him down.

It sounded to me that it was Sean doing the shouting down. I don't think that I have ever heard him conduct a more aggressive interview.

Roger_007 · 01-07-2015 09:58AM

Bits_n_Bobs wrote: »

Actually I want a country where political parties follow through on the manifestos they espouse during elections.

......Provided a majority of the electorate vote for them.
Labour got less than 20% of the vote in the last election and yet they get lambasted for not delivering everything they promised. If most of the electorate wanted what Labour were promising, then most of the electorate would have voted for them..............but they didn't.

BarryD · 01-07-2015 10:06AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

Labour got less than 20% of the vote in the last election and yet they get lambasted for not delivering everything they promised.

Yep, they're a soft and easy target.

Why doesn't SOR get our Minister for Finance or Taoiseach in and try his luck?

Bits_n_Bobs · 01-07-2015 10:13AM

Roger_007 wrote: »

......Provided a majority of the electorate vote for them.
Labour got less than 20% of the vote in the last election and yet they get lambasted for not delivering everything they promised. If most of the electorate wanted what Labour were promising, then most of the electorate would have voted for them..............but they didn't.

Questioned about Frankfurts way or Labours way, of which Rabbites response was “Isn’t that what you tend to do during an election?”

And now we have a deafening silece from Labour as Enda gives the Greeks a solid kicking, presumably to please his bosses in Frankfurt.

Appalling.

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