The Jobbridge Scandal

Not a NSA agent · 24-06-2015 01:36AM

Werent they bringing in something that meant if you were under a certain age it would be compulsory?

snubbleste · 27-06-2015 12:24PM

The DSP said 84 organisations had been "red flagged" for breaching the terms of the scheme since it was introduced in 2011. This meant they were excluded from the scheme for a period of time. There are currently 34 companies on the "red flag" list.
Reasons for excluding companies from the scheme included
a failure by them to put a standard agreement in place with the intern,
non-compliance with monitoring checks,
giving the intern duties which were not advertised,
poor or non-existent mentoring.

Only 84 out of 17,000 companies noted for breaching jobbridge t&c's since 2011 :cool: http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/jobbridge-rules-broken-by-84-firms-31333846.html

27-06-2015 12:33PM

I wonder how many internships are actually checked up on by Welfare? I'm glad to see that some have been found out and sanctions taken.

snubbleste · 27-06-2015 12:35PM

I'm sure as few as possible. Puts the onus on the participant to complain.

Bongalongherb · 27-06-2015 12:42PM

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

Werent they bringing in something that meant if you were under a certain age it would be compulsory?

It's compulsory for 25's and under in relation to the youth guarantee implementation plan. If they refuse to take up a jobbridge offer they will either be cut or cut-off from their payments.

Xenji · 27-06-2015 01:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder how many internships are actually checked up on by Welfare? I'm glad to see that some have been found out and sanctions taken.

Any intern that I have mentored has not been checked up by the SW, when they have about 2 weeks left a member of the SW comes in and asks them how they got on with the internship and then given a few pamphlets.

Actually you could basically hire a friend or family member on the scheme and never once have him come in, all you would have to do is fill out their attendance sheet and send it off weekly or monthly.

Bongalongherb · 27-06-2015 04:35PM

How much does the employer get that takes on an intern for 9 months ? I heard the employer gets €10,000 for each intern for their duration. Is this correct ?.

CatFromHue · 27-06-2015 04:38PM

Employer gets no money.

I think you might be confusing it with a grant for employers hiring, as in paying them a wage on a permanent job, long term unemployed. I think it's 10K for someone who's 2 years unemployed.

Bongalongherb · 27-06-2015 04:39PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Employer gets no money.

I think you might be confusing it with a grant for employers hiring, as in paying them a wage on a permanent job, long term unemployed. I think it's 10K for someone who's 2 years unemployed.

Ah I see. Yeah, I wasn't too sure on the exact scheme.

Xenji · 27-06-2015 05:00PM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

How much does the employer get that takes on an intern for 9 months ? I heard the employer gets €10,000 for each intern for their duration. Is this correct ?.

That would be JobsPlus.

Tipsy McSwagger · 27-06-2015 05:40PM

Xenji wrote: »

That would be JobsPlus.

Isn't that a tax thing?

selous · 27-06-2015 05:51PM

My O.H was given 1weeks notice from her job in January,(3 weeks short of 2 years there) for financial reasons she was told, as a high earner (480pw)she was first to go, the assistant manager was promoted to her job, and a jobs bridge brought in to fill her place, the second jobs bridge girl in the place, 2 weeks ago she found out that all the workers hours have been cut to the bone and two more jobs bridge brought in, last week two workers handed in their notice as the job isn't paying enough to live on, possibly making way for more jobs bridge, how many is a workplace allowed have?

18MonthsaSlave · 27-06-2015 05:52PM

This is how jobbridge and jobplus are drawn together. it is a bribe to take on interns.

http://www.merrionstreet.ie/en/News-Room/Releases/minister-joan-burton-and-the-crafts-council-of-ireland-announce-extension-of-pilot-internship-scheme-for-the-craft-sector.52824.shortcut.html

Since 1st July 2013, companies who employ interns and are eligible for the new JobsPlus Scheme may qualify for a financial incentive of up to €10,000, payable each month over a 2-year period to qualifying employers, which helps to offset wage costs

Bongalongherb · 27-06-2015 06:12PM

JobBridge/Intern... The worst of America brought to Ireland. Get rid of this crap and start paying folk a reasonable paid wage. The minimum wage was implemented for a reason. This JobBridge scheme is making a mockery of it all.

I feel very sorry for the folks that spent 9 months of their life with no job at the end of it all.

CatFromHue · 27-06-2015 06:35PM

selous wrote: »

My O.H was given 1weeks notice from her job in January,(3 weeks short of 2 years there) for financial reasons she was told, as a high earner (480pw)she was first to go, the assistant manager was promoted to her job, and a jobs bridge brought in to fill her place, the second jobs bridge girl in the place, 2 weeks ago she found out that all the workers hours have been cut to the bone and two more jobs bridge brought in, last week two workers handed in their notice as the job isn't paying enough to live on, possibly making way for more jobs bridge, how many is a workplace allowed have?

1-10 employees = 1 intern
11-20 employees = 3 interns (dunno why it isn't 2 as 3 seems alot)

You really should complain to Jobbridge themselves if that's the case. You are not allowed replace an employee with an intern.

I'd contact Jobbridge to let them know what's happening. Back when this scheme started I used to contact both Jobbridge and my local TD's about abuses I saw on the scheme and they do reply (well everyone bar Richard Boyd Barrett bizarrely enough

). They might not do anything about it but the least that will happen is that the number of complaints about the scheme increases by 1.

civis_liberalis · 27-06-2015 07:18PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

You really should complain to Jobbridge themselves if that's the case.

Good one. Showing Jobbridge in anything other than a glowing light is contrary to their interests.

selous · 27-06-2015 07:42PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

1-10 employees = 1 intern
11-20 employees = 3 interns (dunno why it isn't 2 as 3 seems alot)

You really should complain to Jobbridge themselves if that's the case. You are not allowed replace an employee with an intern.

I'd contact Jobbridge to let them know what's happening. Back when this scheme started I used to contact both Jobbridge and my local TD's about abuses I saw on the scheme and they do reply (well everyone bar Richard Boyd Barrett bizarrely enough ). They might not do anything about it but the least that will happen is that the number of complaints about the scheme increases by 1.

Thanks for that.
She had the best "revenge" though, the customers where she worked, came looking for her to continue the work she was doing, (child care) so has set up her own business and has gone from strength to strength in 6 months all on word of mouth and recommendation, most coming from where she was let go from,

CatFromHue · 27-06-2015 07:49PM

selous wrote: »

Thanks for that.
She had the best "revenge" though, the customers where she worked, came looking for her to continue the work she was doing, (child care) so has set up her own business and has gone from strength to strength in 6 months all on word of mouth and recommendation, most coming from where she was let go from,

Oh yeah?

Maybe if she takes on some interns she'll be able to grow the business :pac:

Xenji · 27-06-2015 08:25PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

1-10 employees = 1 intern
11-20 employees = 3 interns (dunno why it isn't 2 as 3 seems alot)

You really should complain to Jobbridge themselves if that's the case. You are not allowed replace an employee with an intern.

I'd contact Jobbridge to let them know what's happening. Back when this scheme started I used to contact both Jobbridge and my local TD's about abuses I saw on the scheme and they do reply (well everyone bar Richard Boyd Barrett bizarrely enough ). They might not do anything about it but the least that will happen is that the number of complaints about the scheme increases by 1.

30+ employees = 20% of the workforce to a maximum of 200 internships whichever is the smaller.

That is the one that more people should know about, this is how Councils can have anywhere from 15-20 interns at one time, Baxter have gone through dozens of interns on the scheme to offset costs.

Iwasfrozen · 27-06-2015 08:48PM

Xenji wrote: »

30+ employees = 20% of the workforce to a maximum of 200 internships whichever is the smaller.

That is the one that more people should know about, this is how Councils can have anywhere from 15-20 interns at one time, Baxter have gone through dozens of interns on the scheme to offset costs.

Any person who takes up an internship at a council, knowing they can't get a job has only themselves to blame.

Xenji · 27-06-2015 09:31PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Any person who takes up an internship at a council, knowing they can't get a job has only themselves to blame.

Well, "it looks good on the CV".

Mint Aero · 27-06-2015 09:35PM

We're fairly complacent about slavery in modern day Ireland. :rolleyes: I think it was the Nice treaty where this €1.85 per hour wage was introduced. I can remember the Great Gerry Adams holding a placard with such stated on it.

Que some pro government brain washed euro fanatic to recite some gibberish about the "pro" of this slave scheme to fund the elite in the euro. :rolleyes:

PopePalpatine · 27-06-2015 09:38PM

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

Any person who takes up an internship at a council, knowing they can't get a job has only themselves to blame.

Nice to know victim-blaming is alive and well in upper-class Ireland.

Iwasfrozen · 27-06-2015 11:44PM

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Nice to know victim-blaming is alive and well in upper-class Ireland.

I don't know who you're calling upper class but it doesn't describe me.

Tipsy McSwagger · 10-07-2015 01:40PM

Why can't the employer give a hundred euros a week to the intern? 50 euros from the Social Welfare ain't going to cover meals and petrol every week or a creche or childminder. Surely if the onus is on the employer to have to pay something it would weed out all the chancers that have destroyed jobbridge.

ejabrod · 11-07-2015 02:27PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why can't the employer give a hundred euros a week to the intern? 50 euros from the Social Welfare ain't going to cover meals and petrol every week or a creche or childminder. Surely if the onus is on the employer to have to pay something it would weed out all the chancers that have destroyed jobbridge.

AFAIK this was the original proposal for this scandal scheme but IBEC (yes them cúnts) weren't happy and resulted in the employer contribution being withdrawn

flutered · 11-07-2015 03:07PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Why can't the employer give a hundred euros a week to the intern? 50 euros from the Social Welfare ain't going to cover meals and petrol every week or a creche or childminder. Surely if the onus is on the employer to have to pay something it would weed out all the chancers that have destroyed jobbridge.

in the present buisness climate one cannot expect an employer to spend a little extra in wages, now can you, when the goverment says it can supply them for free

flutered · 11-07-2015 03:11PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

Oh yeah?

Maybe if she takes on some interns she'll be able to grow the business :pac:

not a nice remark, especially from a mod

entropi · 11-07-2015 03:31PM

flutered wrote: »

not a nice remark, especially from a mod

Mods are regular posters too, you know. Especially so when outside of their own forum/fora.

flutered · 11-07-2015 03:49PM

entropi wrote: »

Mods are regular posters too, you know. Especially so when outside of their own forum/fora.

that should not matter, a mod should be above reproach, regardless of the fourm, i have got many a pm for less, which is one of the reasons i rarely post on boards any more, one law for mods another for..

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