DART Underground planning due to lapse, but lots of Airport Luas talk?

I'm dumbfounded as to why anyone would be surprised/shocked etc. by this.

It's business as usual.

the whole tram and BXD is a shambles.

it should've all went underground from the beginning with luas taking traffic and pedestrians and everything out of the equation along with the city centre mess at the moment.

A luas to the airport is no use, its too open and too slow in terms of actual speed and number of stops (Stops include actual tram stations and traffic stops for light changes etc.) in comparison to an underground system.

I've used both underground in Paris and London getting from the airport to the city and a direct , fast link is what you want. Not a tram that everybody uses to get about and for scumbags to run a muck on with too many stops.

underground should go ahead for the basics such as speed, quality, capacity, separated from traffic/congestion/incidents on route that the luas has all the time such as traffic, blocking of a track / accidents etc. with it going to the airport.

why you would choose a luas over underground is beyond me.

but the underground must go to the airport as it will make it more worth while also and Irish rail have come out and said it can do it with dart underground no problems.

Idbatterim wrote: »

what is the best place to start putting pressure on the minister for transport? writing to him? to local papers? or getting a fund together to put something in a prominent national newspaper to show it up for the sham that it is and take it to pieces there? I pay thousands a year in tax, get nothing in return and it appears Dublin is about to get yet another mickey mouse, hatchet job solution. I have no problem donating money to a fund that could bring this sham into the spotlight...

Local TD I would say (and encourage others to do same). If he/she is worth their salt, they'll bring it up.

Idbatterim wrote: »

I have raised those issues before, also the airport is going to be about 25,000,000 this year, god knows what by the time whatever option is built, that figure alone makes a joke out of anything other than MN or MNO (optimised) or heavy rail... Lets say it is 30.000.000 - 35,000,000 that is a seriously big airport and a tram going out to it is laughable...

I can't see a similar sized airport on this list with no rail link

cgcsb wrote: »

There are more and more offices being planned for Dublin Airport campus, Swords is the fastest growing town by population, last I checked, in the state.

What about the Greater Blanchardstown Area?

There is an election coming in the near future. I am expecting the Government to announce an extension of the Broombridge Luas line to Blanchardstown.

Two senior ministers in the constituency, which I think for the moment goes right out as far as Swords.

LVaradker (FG) was in charge of Transport for a number of years. I would be surprised if he hadn't been eyeing this project up all along. I think that maybe he was waiting for the right moment to announce it to his constituents, until he was suddenly given the poisoned chalice and moved to Health.

The other Minister in the area is Joan Burton (Lab), who is also the Tainiste. She is part of the 4 man EMC which controls all the financal decisions of the Government.

Both FG and Lab would want and greatly benefit if this major good news project was announced just before the upcoming election.

James Reilly (FG), who has zero credibility with the public at this stage (imo), is based in Swords. I think he was deputy leader of the FG party (not sure if he still is). Any good news on luas/rail commuter improvements would be greatly welcomed by him

As I said, expect a really big announcement.

Murt10 wrote: »

I am expecting the Government to announce an extension of the Broombridge Luas line to Blanchardstown.

To Ballycoolin maybe, but a line to Blanch proper would go through a lot of empty land alongside an existing rail line so would be pretty hard to justify.

An extension of BXD to Finglas Village & Charlestown and/or a spur to Ballycoolin & Tyrrelstown would probably be the only appropriate extensions to BXD I think (both far in the future).

If the D2 underground section from Broadstone to Stephen's Green did go ahead in the future, it would probably be best for the Green line to become Swords to Bride's Glen. Then BXD could become the city centre section for the the line to Finglas and perhaps the Tallaght via Teranure line. These lines would much better suit the capacity constraints of BXD than the Green line & Airport line.

We have enough dreamers that are willing to believe in Paul Murphy's dogma and the money tree that SF have in ther back garden that would also be clueless enough to believe anything this fool says. I just dont know what he gets out of it

why in gods name when you go that close to the other line, would you not link them? so if you are currently on the northern line and wanted to get to the airport, you would have to go into town and back out again?!

We have a massive housing shortage, higher capacity rail can support higher density housing etc. Is this really the extent of the vision here?

From page 1 of the Aecom report. "The overall objective of this Finglas / North Dublin transportation is to identify the optimum long term public transport solution to connect Dublin City Centre, Dublin airport and Swords" LOL!

is this from the same school of planning that now what the "upgraded" M50 over capacity just as we are coming out of recession?

Sorry but if you don't engage with the public consultation you don't have much right to complain imo.

Aard, I dont deem it acceptable, that we have to battle constantly on many fronts here, to get the right thing done. I find it totally and utterly unacceptable. Most of us I am assuming have busy lives. Should we constantly try to be on top of politicians and planners to do the right thing? Who's job is it, I know for damn sure I am not getting their ridiculous pay and it is not my job...

Wasnt there a report done years ago, that said Luas was not adequate for that corridor? Here we are, growing strongly again and now all of a sudden, luas is an adequate option?

You advocate we base things on figures and sound facts, well those making the decisions arent influenced by them...

I travel to the airport a lot, live close to dundrum luas, would love to be able to take rail transport to the airport, but if it is some botch convoluted luas job, reluctantly I will have to keep going by car. Getting to the airport is time critical, I have no interest in stopping every half minute for a mini tour of Dublin...

on another thread on this subject, multiple flaws were highlighted with that Aecom report...

Idbatterim wrote: »

Aard, I dont deem it acceptable, that we have to battle constantly on many fronts here, to get the right thing done. I find it totally and utterly unacceptable. Most of us I am assuming have busy lives. Should we constantly try to be on top of politicians and planners to do the right thing? Who's job is it, I know for damn sure I am not getting their ridiculous pay and it is not my job...

Wasnt there a report done years ago, that said Luas was not adequate for that corridor? Here we are, growing strongly again and now all of a sudden, luas is an adequate option?

You advocate we base things on figures and sound facts, well those making the decisions arent influenced by them...

I travel to the airport a lot, live close to dundrum luas, would love to be able to take rail transport to the airport, but if it is some botch convoluted luas job, reluctantly I will have to keep going by car. Getting to the airport is time critical, I have no interest in stopping every half minute for a mini tour of Dublin...

on another thread on this subject, multiple flaws were highlighted with that Aecom report...

Grandeeod had a post on the first page I think of this thread that pretty much says all that needs to be said about things. The public consultations and letters to TD's don't really seem to make much of a difference as far as I can see. The rural TD's and in fact TD's even in other areas of the city will fight this tooth and nail within their parties and no doubt through countless other methods as they try to garner pet projects for their own constiuency to secure seats.
The half assed approaches such as luas in this case are as a result of the political structure here favouring localism over a holistic plan, something that has existed since 1922.

No government will ever vote to change the setup so we will be left with a status quo until the population probably breaks 10 million or so (if even?) ,the country is mainly urbanised and we have a more informed electorate who can see beyond some seemingly large figures.
Sorry if I'm being pessimistic...

Murt10 wrote: »

What about the Greater Blanchardstown Area?

There is an election coming in the near future. I am expecting the Government to announce an extension of the Broombridge Luas line to Blanchardstown.

Two senior ministers in the constituency, which I think for the moment goes right out as far as Swords.

LVaradker (FG) was in charge of Transport for a number of years. I would be surprised if he hadn't been eyeing this project up all along. I think that maybe he was waiting for the right moment to announce it to his constituents, until he was suddenly given the poisoned chalice and moved to Health.

The other Minister in the area is Joan Burton (Lab), who is also the Tainiste. She is part of the 4 man EMC which controls all the financal decisions of the Government.

Both FG and Lab would want and greatly benefit if this major good news project was announced just before the upcoming election.

James Reilly (FG), who has zero credibility with the public at this stage (imo), is based in Swords. I think he was deputy leader of the FG party (not sure if he still is). Any good news on luas/rail commuter improvements would be greatly welcomed by him

As I said, expect a really big announcement.

It'd be a bit hard to sell when the Maynooth line could easily serve Blanchardstown if Dublin Bus were bothered to provide a suitable feeder bus service.

Aard wrote: »

Not the Northern line.

Oh right. Got confused talking about Blanch. True enough but a future extension to somewhere like Donebate could easily have been done in the future. The luas to airport proposal goes right past the Maynooth line and doesn't connect.

end of the road wrote: »

he does have a right yes . we live in a free country, not a dictatorship

Oh god give over with the free country stuff. Not engaging with the consultation then complaining afterwards simply amounts to protest. It's not conducive to influencing the process.