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NUIG agrees to gender taskforce recommendations

  • 24-06-2015 10:07PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    NUI Galway (NUIG)’s governing authority has welcomed the recommendations published by a gender equality taskforce on Tuesday and has committed to implementing them as a matter of urgency.

    However, the university’s Siptu branch has reiterated its call for an “external, independent review” of its gender policies, saying that the “credibility of the taskforce is still in question”.

    The chairwoman of the governing authority, Judge Catherine McGuinness, said it accepted the four initial recommendations of the taskforce, namely the establishment of a new position of vice-president of equality and diversity; women holding 40 per cent of positions on management committees by the end of 2016; the roll out of “mandatory unconscious bias training” this year; and a review of promotion and career development policies.

    The judge said that “the university is fully committed to achieving equality for all staff, irrespective of gender” and that the governing authority’s acceptance of the recommendations was “a strong confirmation of the commitment we have here at NUI Galway to eliminate gender inequality”.

    Siptu response

    However, Maggie Ronayne, Siptu academic staff stewards committee spokeswoman, said that staff did not believe the taskforce was independent due to its composition and the manner in which it was set up, without consultation with the trade unions.

    She said Siptu would meet to consider a formal response but from her viewpoint “there is very little in this for the vast majority of women”.

    She said that there were a number of cases of women on the “wrong grade”, or otherwise disadvantaged because of their gender. She also noted that the taskforce’s mandate did not extend to looking at “historical cases”.

    The Irish Federation of University Teachers (IFUT) said it broadly welcomed the report, in that it indicated that NUIG was addressing the issue of gender discrimination.

    However, IFUT urged the college to find a mechanism to include the staff and trade unions in the solution.

    The taskforce was set up by NUIG in response to last year’s Equality Tribunalruling which found that botanist Dr Micheline Sheehy Skeffington had been discriminated against in a 2008-09 promotion round.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/nuig-agrees-to-gender-taskforce-recommendations-1.2260404
    Addressing concerns

    At a meeting today, the NUIG governing authority also committed to:

    ■Establishing the position of a new vice president of equality and diversity, who will initially focus on gender equality,

    ■Ensuring all major influential committees are comprised of a minimum of 40% women and 40% men by the end of 2016,

    ■Allowing an external expert to reviews its promotion and progression policies for all grades of staff.

    I'm all for equality of opportunity but not equality of outcome and definitely not quotas. Fighting discrimination with 'positive discrimination', an oxymoron in itself, is not the way to go about forcing change.
    NUI GALWAY IS to introduce training to address “unconscious gender bias” among staff members, its governing authority has confirmed.

    The training will be mandatory for all senior management staff, including heads of schools, committee chairs and heads of interview boards.

    Participants in the training will learn to “recognise their own biases [to help them] make better and more rational decisions”, a report endorsed by the university’s board said.

    Even if no subconscious bias exist, they will invent one and root it out. Mad stuff.
    “Having more women in senior positions within an organisation improves the quality of decision making and diversity also enhances creativity and innovation which are at the heart of university business,” she said.

    No citations offered to back up this statement, of course. This type of identity politics that calls for positive discrimination and 'equality quotas' is quickly creeping in from across the Atlantic. Which is worrying as it's toxic.


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Comments

  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 75 ✭✭Muckracker


    I thought feminists wanted equality not special treatment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    How about just hiring suitable qualified people and not hire because of a specific gender...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,758 ✭✭✭RedemptionZ


    Yes let's not pick people on their merits but rather on the basis of their gender. This is the way forward right guys? Idiotic idea that will probably be enforced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,635 ✭✭✭✭PARlance


    In before the Alcohol v Weed brigade


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 31,696 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    It really annoys me (as a woman) the whole 'positive discrimination' and mandatory percentages of women on committees stuff.

    I do agree that there is quite likely gender inequality going on, some awareness training could be good (though the die-hards won't be influenced by it) and there may well be unfair appointment situations that could be revisited. But appointments should be on merit regardless of gender (sex?).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,448 ✭✭✭crockholm


    I suppose if this sort of numbskullery was to be implemented anywhere,Galway would be the place


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Because "positive discrimination" doesn't have the word "discrimination" in it.
    Um. Yeah.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    Only a woman (or a man trying to get a blowjob from said woman) could think this kind of crazy muck up.

    There are women in positions of power everywhere, the glass ceiling was shattered years ago. Why can't they just leave well alone?

    Meritocracy please, in ALL walks of life.


  • Posts: 81,308 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Joslyn Straight Meal


    What doctor jimbob said

    Am against quotas


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    "The university is fully committed to achieving equality for all staff, irrespective of gender”

    If thats the case, why accept any of their recommendations? They should have refused them all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭No_Comply


    Maybe if we ignore them they'll just go away. The muppets who dream up this kind of idiocy seem to crave attention more than anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,466 ✭✭✭Clandestine


    “mandatory unconscious bias training”

    This is some MK Ultra/brainwashing s***. What the f***


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    “mandatory unconscious bias training”

    Really? :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    This should be good.

    Anybody for New Account bingo?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    “mandatory unconscious bias training”

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,487 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    This is the first and probably only time that I think somebody from SIPTU is right about something.



    *shudders*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    In the last team I worked in there was one female. She'd been in the team for 10 years. The other 7 were guys. They made no effort to hire women.

    On the flip side there was a huge department of nearly 200 where easily 90% of management were women. There were loads of guys applying for positions there but for over 3 years all promotions went to women. The Manager and assistant manager and senior managers were women. Most of the supervisors were women who were their friends.
    I don't know if it was a conscious effort not to hire men or simply the fact that the women hired other women they were comfortable with. It might also be because there was a special initiative to help women where they were mentored. Men didn't have that option.

    I will say that a gender bias, either subconscious or conscious, does exist. It affects both genders. You need to have complete transparency in hiring. You need to make sure there's no huge disparity in the numbers of either gender.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,295 ✭✭✭FortySeven


    Grayson wrote: »
    In the last team I worked in there was one female. She'd been in the team for 10 years. The other 7 were guys. They made no effort to hire women.

    On the flip side there was a huge department of nearly 200 where easily 90% of management were women. There were loads of guys applying for positions there but for over 3 years all promotions went to women. The Manager and assistant manager and senior managers were women. Most of the supervisors were women who were their friends.
    I don't know if it was a conscious effort not to hire men or simply the fact that the women hired other women they were comfortable with. It might also be because there was a special initiative to help women where they were mentored. Men didn't have that option.

    I will say that a gender bias, either subconscious or conscious, does exist. It affects both genders. You need to have complete transparency in hiring. You need to make sure there's no huge disparity in the numbers of either gender.

    Easy solution, no names on CVs and get in a Hermaphrodite for interviewing.
    Job done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,442 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    FortySeven wrote: »
    Easy solution, no names on CVs and get in a Hermaphrodite for interviewing.
    Job done.

    Good idea :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,487 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    FortySeven wrote: »
    Easy solution, no names on CVs and get in a Hermaphrodite for interviewing.
    Job done.

    I'm fairly certain that's how they decide the winner of the Mercury music prize as well.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    “mandatory unconscious bias training”

    This is some MK Ultra/brainwashing s***. What the f***

    yeah

    and all you can do about it is sit there and keep your mouth shut because, if anyone even tries to point out the BS and the lies you will do serious damage to your career prospects

    video below of one of these training sessions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    WTF is that, Nokia?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    WTF is that, Nokia?

    a man apologising for the sin of being white and male

    its what all social justice warriors want


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 958 ✭✭✭MathDebater


    nokia69 wrote: »
    a man apologising for the sin of being white and male

    its what all social justice warriors want

    Yeah, unlike those poor souls afflicted with white guilt I don't feel bad or guilty about historical injustices that I had no part in as an individual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    So it's somehow wrong for NUIG to adopt measures designed to improve gender equity? Should they revert to the status quo ante? As exemplified in these recent cases?
    http://www.thejournal.ie/nui-galway-lecturer-discrimination-1521678-Jun2014/
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/1117/660112-nuig/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    So it's somehow wrong for NUIG to adopt measures designed to improve gender equity?

    if it means that they hand out jobs or promotions based only on gender then yes it is wrong

    everyone should have a fair and equal chance of a job, quotas are just not fair


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭Dirty Dingus McGee


    Grayson wrote: »
    In the last team I worked in there was one female. She'd been in the team for 10 years. The other 7 were guys. They made no effort to hire women.

    On the flip side there was a huge department of nearly 200 where easily 90% of management were women. There were loads of guys applying for positions there but for over 3 years all promotions went to women. The Manager and assistant manager and senior managers were women. Most of the supervisors were women who were their friends.
    I don't know if it was a conscious effort not to hire men or simply the fact that the women hired other women they were comfortable with. It might also be because there was a special initiative to help women where they were mentored. Men didn't have that option.

    I will say that a gender bias, either subconscious or conscious, does exist. It affects both genders. You need to have complete transparency in hiring. You need to make sure there's no huge disparity in the numbers of either gender.

    On one of the teams I deal with on the floor below me there are 7 members and 1 of them is male.

    A few months ago the team leader (who happened to be a woman)was replaced by another woman and the person who is her boss is also a woman (surprise, surpise).

    To be honest having read you post I'm thinking of going to HR and complaining about the clear gender bias in that team because clearly these people weren't selected for their jobs on merit they were chosen because of their gender.Of course the HR manager is also a woman so I can't imagine my complaints will get anywhere becaus there is claearly just a massive conspiracy agains men in that deaprtment as claearly it's not possible for that many women to actually be more suitable for a job than men.(Oh and by the way I'm being sarcastic)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    don't hold your breath waiting for gender balance in places like HR


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭desertcircus


    This is a remarkably high number of posts from people who think sexism is something that affects men rather than women. And there's a derogatory reference to social justice warriors as well. Did it really not occur to any of you that quotas are used to combat more deep-seated and hidden structural inequalities? Or that the quota system being mentioned still means a randomly selected board member will be 50% more likely to be a man than a woman?

    Did it even occur to any of you that there might be a reason why a major organisation is doing this; that there might be a legitimate reason for them to look into this?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,895 ✭✭✭nokia69


    Did it really not occur to any of you that quotas are used to combat more deep-seated and hidden structural inequalities

    when will we see quotas for men


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