Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

hynesie08 · 23-06-2015 03:06PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjzpKxw6Qxo

Jake Rugby Walrus666 · 23-06-2015 03:34PM

http://soundcloud.com/slims-random-stuff/cork-bookshop-chat

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 03:39PM

^ Lol... Rule Britannia... "Do you like Lezers"... comedy gold that lad.

steddyeddy · 23-06-2015 03:44PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Well some posters here seem adamant that there should have been a sex shop allowed to be opened in the area, but the people themselves who actually live in the area don't actually want it, so I'm asking why do people see this sex shop as a particular necessity in an area where the people that live there don't actually want it. The guy who was going to open the shop there saw that it was a bad idea, so why are people here still saying that the people who live there had no right to object to it opening?

I just don't see why people are making such a big deal of the fact that people who are actually living in the area didn't want a sex shop in the area. It's not like he couldn't locate his premises elsewhere.

No posters weren't the ones suggesting there should have been a sex shop in the area. A business man did for his own reasons. Posters are suggesting that there is little reason for the parents to object to it.

Not a NSA agent · 23-06-2015 03:56PM

Thank the gods that now the children are safe from dildos being launched at the school as the evil owner used edible underwear as a slingshot. Songs shall be sung about the brave few who stood up against such tyranny as they protected their children from such attack

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 04:00PM

Not a NSA agent wrote: »

Thank the gods that now the children are safe from dildos being launched at the school as the evil owner used edible underwear as a slingshot. Songs shall be sung about the brave few who stood up against such tyranny as they protected their children from such attack

Never got this idea of stuff like this and schools. Schools have houses next to them where people could actually be Fu*king. And not just buying items.

23-06-2015 04:12PM

If there's one place I definitely don't want to think about children, it's when I'm in a sex shop

:pac:

Mightydrumming · 23-06-2015 04:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If there's one place I definitely don't want to think about children, it's when I'm in a sex shop

:pac:

Lunch time wouldn't be the ideal time to visit!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 04:22PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Not sure what your point is here really.

Ehh, righto, as you please m'lady, since it's your official declaration and all. Again, and I'm not being smart here but I fail to see your point. Probably for the best we agree to park it then.

Does it? That's news to me too. As far as I was concerned, people have the freedom to object to whatever the hell they like. That paper shop in Dublin for example, or the other printing business in Drogheda that were subjected to mob mentality tactics that almost drove them out of business. A sex shop is no different and shouldn't be held to a different standard just because you make an official declaration of what's common sense and what isn't, according to your own standards.

Point is simple. As someone else said, by what metric should desperation be used. The question has been asnwered and the use of the word "desperate" by you has been rebuked. Unless you want to clarify how asking if people are desperate enough for a sex shop, then your question has been answered and your point has been rebuked. This point has pretty much run its course you have something to add.
No one is desperate, but no one needs to be desperate for it to exist.

Regarding Germany - the point was that Germans are more mature when it comes to kids than the Irish are. Again, unless you want to add somethign or clarify your previous statement about Germany being ignorant and conservative, this point has also pretty much run its course.

If a sex shop is no different to other shops. If a law-abiding and harmless business opens, you have the right to protest, but you do not have the protest to dictate how and where it should open. You also have the resonsibility to protest on a mature and informed level. You haven't done that.

whisky_galore · 23-06-2015 04:51PM

It's not like little Johnny can waltz right in, carton of chocolate milk in hand on lunch break, and peruse the merchandise.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 04:56PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's not like little Johnny can waltz right in, carton of chocolate milk in hand on lunch break, and peruse the merchandise.

I will just put this little gem in again that I heard shouted hysterically from this type of parent. "We all know Nipples are not suitable for children" "Or naked Breasts".

whisky_galore · 23-06-2015 04:59PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I will just put this little gem in again that I heard shouted hysterically from this type of parent. "We all know Nipples are not suitable for children" "Or naked Breasts".

If they happen to see a nipple, even an accidental glimpse of one, children can go blind.
Fact.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 05:01PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I don't think the law works that way, You cannot stop a shop from opening. You could object to planning permission if one was been built. But I don't think reason for objection to new building "sex shop" would get anywhere. Are people being forced to go into the shop ? I would assume it would be a fairly standard shop plain fronting, do they beam out sex rays and make people sex mad ?

Nobody has said anything about the law, but since you bring it up, the shop owner was well within his legal rights to open the shop and ignore local objections, which weren't just from parents, but also from residents and local retailers.

Given that the owner's point of view was this -

When asked why he has chosen to expand in such a residential area, Cullen’s answer was very to the point.

“There’s 80,000 cars up and down that stretch of road every day. That is going to drive traffic to the shop,” he said.

I can't see how he was going to reconcile that potential market with this -

We won’t be in people’s faces, the shop will be quite subtle and low key. We’re more upmarket than your average adult store.

Most of our business is done online so the new store will act as more of a warehouse than anything else. You can’t see into the store, it’ll be over-18s only, and no-one else will be allowed in.

So 80,000 potential customers in their cars are going to see a subtle and low key upmarket adult store, but most of their business is done online, and the store will act as more of a warehouse. I think he's talking nonsense really and doesn't know what he had planned. Maybe less sex rays and more bat-signal? Bat signals are always fun!

eviltwin wrote: »

How many people do you think are protesting? Since when do a few parents represent the views of the entire community?

I'd say a mere handful were protesting, and not just parents but also two local TD's, local retailers and residents, but there was nobody out objecting to the protesters, so I'd say it's fairly safe to say that if only all the sexually liberated people on here had shown up, the crusty old farts would have been hugely outnumbered. As it happens, no sexually liberated people showed up to tell the stuffy types to get stuffed.

Daith wrote: »

Didn't HMV have a massive relaunch on Grafton St last week?

Some people never learn, would you like to take bets on how long their outdated business model lasts this time?

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

You have an unbalanced situation here where you're not going to see many people coming out in favour of this shop opening as they'd be viewed by some as sexual deviants. I assume this is how the protesters view the potential clientele given the fact that the goods would not be on display and children would not get past the door. The majority of my friends live in Drumcondra and they'd be happy to see it open. You're misusing the concept of demand in this case. Demand for the service would not be determined by summing the number of people who expressedly ask for it against the number of busybodies who are expressedly against it. The demand for this service would be evaluated by its success or lack thereof.

So all the sexually liberated people still care what a handful of crusty old fart locals think then? I'd suggest the problem then is with the people who are so sexually liberated but aren't really all that sexually liberated after all, rather more quite shy really. That's cute and all, but as a competent adult I myself have no problem entering a sex shop in a busy part of town, purchasing a vibrator, and after getting shafted €70 for it I declined her offer to wrap it as I figured I'd already paid enough, I went in next door to the gift shop and bought wrapping paper and the girl behind the counter wrapped it for free.

I'm not misusing the concept of demand at all, clearly the owner thought there was a demand in the area, and that he had a potential market of thousands of people between passing cars and internet sales, but there was simply no demand for a sex shop among the locals. That's the long and the short of it really.

Nobody said that the protesters don't have the right to object, they think that they have no justifiable reason for doing so and thus their objections amount to bullying. To me this looks like people protesting the opening of an Indian takeaway because they think that people from South Asia stink of curry. The Westboro Baptist Church have every right to to picket the funerals of dead soldiers in their home country, doesn't mean that their motivations aren't ****e.

Ahh stop, the hyperbole you're jumping to is quite frankly ridiculous, South Asia and the Westbro Baptist Church and bullying and all the rest of it. I can't even take that seriously enough to muster a proper response.

steddyeddy wrote: »

No posters weren't the ones suggesting there should have been a sex shop in the area. A business man did for his own reasons. Posters are suggesting that there is little reason for the parents to object to it.

And again - the shop owner was well within his legal rights to open the shop and ignore local objections, which weren't just from parents, but also from residents and local retailers. As far as I can see, the locals objections to the location of the shop weren't unreasonable. The shop owner seems to have thought so too and has now abandoned his potentially huge market that would have made Ann Summers envious.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Point is simple. As someone else said, by what metric should desperation be used. The question has been asnwered and the use of the word "desperate" by you has been rebuked. Unless you want to clarify how asking if people are desperate enough for a sex shop, then your question has been answered and your point has been rebuked. This point has pretty much run its course you have something to add.
No one is desperate, but no one needs to be desperate for it to exist.

Regarding Germany - the point was that Germans are more mature when it comes to kids than the Irish are. Again, unless you want to add somethign or clarify your previous statement about Germany being ignorant and conservative, this point has also pretty much run its course.

If a sex shop is no different to other shops. If a law-abiding and harmless business opens, you have the right to protest, but you do not have the protest to dictate how and where it should open. You also have the resonsibility to protest on a mature and informed level. You haven't done that.

People do have a right to protest against a business opening in their area if they simply don't want that business opening in their area. How seriously their concerns are taken depends upon numerous factors really. As far as I can see here, people protested responsibly, maturely and were informed as to the potential effects of the business in their community. I haven't done anything here only argued that just because you don't see their point, doesn't mean everyone else should ignore their concerns. The owner hasn't ignored their concerns and has chosen not to open the shop. That was the more prudent and common sense course of action here IMO. If you disagree with that, there's nothing stopping you opening a sex shop or distribution centre in Drumcondra or wherever the hell you want.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 05:30PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

People do have a right to protest against a business opening in their area if they simply don't want that business opening in their area. How seriously their concerns are taken depends upon numerous factors really. As far as I can see here, people protested responsibly, maturely and were informed as to the potential effects of the business in their community. I haven't done anything here only argued that just because you don't see their point, doesn't mean everyone else should ignore their concerns. The owner hasn't ignored their concerns and has chosen not to open the shop. That was the more prudent and common sense course of action here IMO. If you disagree with that, there's nothing stopping you opening a sex shop or distribution centre in Drumcondra or wherever the hell you want.

Sorry, but no - they aren't informed. They hears the words "sex shop" and took to the streets. If they are, then why haven't they actually stated their objections? You did try, in fairness, when you said someting about potentially creepy individuals, but you never clarifed what you meant by creepy, why someone who uses a sex shop is more likely to be creepy, or why you're not just as likely to bump into a creepy indivudal somewhere else.

I take your point about the right to protest, but part of freedom is also accepting that people have the right to buy and sell without being stagmatised in such a way.

aloyisious · 23-06-2015 06:49PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

If they happen to see a nipple, even an accidental glimpse of one, children can go blind.
Fact.

Is that due to an accidental poke in the eye?

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 06:57PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Sorry, but no - they aren't informed. They hears the words "sex shop" and took to the streets. If they are, then why haven't they actually stated their objections?

No need to apologise making ill-informed assumptions, not like I'm going to flog you for it. You don't know how much they're informed about, but you're able to surmise that they took to the streets as soon as they heard the words "sex shop", and how did you come up with this assumption may I ask?

And why is it you feel they need to state their objections to the media and to the public? What have they to answer to anyone else for? The relevant parties were informed of their objections -

The owners of PlayBlue received a petition from locals who objected to the sex shop opening up across the road from St Patrick’s Boys’ National School.

It’s reported that around 50 protesters were outside the store today when it was due to open.

AN IRISH ADULT store is set to open an outlet in Dublin about 50 metres from a national school, and local residents are not impressed.

“While no laws are being broken in relation to this proposed location, residents feel it isn’t ideal to have this kind of retail unit along local school children’s daily route to and from school,” he told TheJournal.ie.

One concerned local resident, who preferred not to be named, told TheJournal.ie that “the likes of these shops should be in designated areas”.
I’m concerned that kids will be passing by every day. There’s a number of establishments like this on (nearby) Dorset Street, but none so close to a school.

I guess you missed the memo as it hadn't a whole lot to do with you, and now you're raising objections to the locals objecting? Bit late for that now, isn't it?

You did try, in fairness, when you said someting about potentially creepy individuals, but you never clarifed what you meant by creepy, why someone who uses a sex shop is more likely to be creepy, or why you're not just as likely to bump into a creepy indivudal somewhere else.

I said no such thing, you're mistaking me for another poster there so I'm not going to defend something I never said.

I take your point about the right to protest, but part of freedom is also accepting that people have the right to buy and sell without being stagmatised in such a way.

Who's stigmatising anyone ffs? Those adults who feel stigmatised for buying sex toys need to grow the hell up and stop behaving like immature children who are so easily embarrassed or intimidated by the opinions of complete strangers. You have the freedom to buy whatever the hell you like, and other adults have the freedom to judge you for it. It's all part of being a grown up, and if you haven't learned that by now well it comes as no surprise that you think your ill informed opinion is more valid than the people who actually live in the area.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 07:10PM

What judgement would that be ? I can't remember the last time I saw wagging fingers by normal people. Well maybe from the clergy but that's about it. What judgement can one come to about someone buying items in a Adult shop ?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-06-2015 07:14PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No need to apologise making ill-informed assumptions, not like I'm going to flog you for it. You don't know how much they're informed about, but you're able to surmise that they took to the streets as soon as they heard the words "sex shop", and how did you come up with this assumption may I ask?

Because they haven't actually been able to say why they're against it! This is the only remaining possibility.

Who's stigmatising anyone ffs?

That would be you. I refer you back to the creepy individual comments you made and the questions I asked in my last post.

Those adults who feel stigmatised for buying sex toys need to grow the hell up and stop behaving like immature children who are so easily embarrassed or intimidated by the opinions of complete strangers. You have the freedom to buy whatever the hell you like, and other adults have the freedom to judge you for it. It's all part of being a grown up, and if you haven't learned that by now well it comes as no surprise that you think your ill informed opinion is more valid than the people who actually live in the area.

Stigmatising and judging people and calling them creepy for buying certain products makes you an adult; and having no good reason to protest against a law-abiding business makes you well-informed. I see.

My points about ignorance via a complete inability to state a simple reason for a protest have been made and pretty much illustrated very well by your last paragraph, and in the absence of a debteable rebuke, I rest my case and see no reason to post again on this thread.

QED

MonsterCookie · 23-06-2015 07:18PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Sorry, but no - they aren't informed. They hears the words "sex shop" and took to the streets. If they are, then why haven't they actually stated their objections? You did try, in fairness, when you said someting about potentially creepy individuals, but you never clarifed what you meant by creepy, why someone who uses a sex shop is more likely to be creepy, or why you're not just as likely to bump into a creepy indivudal somewhere else.

I take your point about the right to protest, but part of freedom is also accepting that people have the right to buy and sell without being stagmatised in such a way.

No. So you accept the right to protest as long as it doesn't succeed. How realistic and mature!

steddyeddy · 23-06-2015 07:18PM

Three separate sources say 50, 90 and 200 metres. Which is it?

eviltwin · 23-06-2015 07:20PM

MonsterCookie wrote: »

No. So you accept the right to protest as long as it doesn't succeed. How realistic and mature!

How do you think this business is going to negatively affect your child? Would you still object of it wasn't so close to their school?

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 07:27PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Because they haven't actually been able to say why they're against it! This is the only remaining possibility.

Did you even read my last post? If you're not even going to read my posts, I don't see much point in continuing this discussion with you either. Some of the local residents have given their reasons why they objected to the opening of a sex shop near a primary school in their community. You don't like their reasons. Tough titty really.

That would be you. I refer you back to the creepy individual comments you made and the questions I asked in my last post.

And in turn, I refer you back to this -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I said no such thing, you're mistaking me for another poster there so I'm not going to defend something I never said.

Stigmatising and judging people and calling them creepy for buying certain products makes you an adult; and having no good reason to protest against a law-abiding business makes you well-informed. I see.

Now you're just making it up as you go along, claiming I said things I never said, claiming I implied things I never implied, and for the cherry on top - what you see as no good reason to protest against a sex shop opening in the vicinity of a primary school in a community that has no bearing on your life whatsoever, makes you well informed? 'I see', indeed.

My points about ignorance via a complete inability to state a simple reason for a protest have been made and pretty much illustrated very well by your last paragraph, and as you have offered no rebuttal in several pages, I have no reason to beleive you are going to in the future, so, my point has been clearly illustrated and in the absene of a debteable rebuke I see no reason to post again on this thread.

You didn't read my last post then where I copied and pasted the opinions of local residents and their reasons for their protest. I have offered you plenty rebuttals, but you've chosen to ignore them, and now you're arguing claims I never even made, so I don't see much point in your responses unless you can actually read what I wrote first before you respond, attributing claims to me that I never made.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 07:32PM

Why are people still using the words "Sex shop" I have not seen anything remotely looking like that since the 80s Now they are Adult shops. I really have that picture of father Ted outside the cinema in my head. What negative effect is it going to have on primary school children who have no idea what's in the shop.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 07:51PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Why are people still using the words "Sex shop" I have not seen anything remotely looking like that since the 80s Now they are Adult shops.

Are they? From PlayBlue's own website (bold emphasis my own) -

PlayBlue is the best sex shop online in Ireland with an ever expanding range of adult sex toys that are sure to satisfy.

What makes us special is we offer the lowest prices , the biggest range of sex toys, free next day discreet delivery and as if that wasn't enough free gifts. All combined with the best in customer service of any online sex shop in Ireland.

PlayBlue is Ireland's Favourite online sex shop and for good reason. We don't drop ship we carry our adult sex toys in stock in our warehouse in Kilkenny, where we are based and we're 100% Irish owned, you can even call in and visit us in the Kilkenny adult shop we'd love to meet you. With over 17 years in the industry you can trust we know what we're doing and we're in this for the long haul. Suppling the best online adult sex toys in Ireland is what we are totally focused on so noboby does it better.

I really have that picture of father Ted outside the cinema in my head. What negative effect is it going to have on primary school children who have no idea what's in the shop.

I hear you're a clairvoyant now Father? How can you possibly assume primary school children will have no idea what's in the shop if they advertise themselves as a sex shop (or an 'adult shop' if that's what floats your boat), and they have their eyeballs on targeting 80,000 potential customers in passing traffic. How do you expect them to capture that market? Hand signals?

Or just like every other sex shop up and down the country - they'll have their wares on display in their window.

darkpagandeath · 23-06-2015 07:54PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Are they? From PlayBlue's own website (bold emphasis my own) -

I hear you're a clairvoyant now Father? How can you possibly assume primary school children will have no idea what's in the shop if they advertise themselves as a sex shop (or an 'adult shop' if that's what floats your boat), and they have their eyeballs on targeting 80,000 potential customers in passing traffic. How do you expect them to capture that market? Hand signals?

Or just like every other sex shop up and down the country - they'll have their wares on display in their window.

:pac:

MonsterCookie · 23-06-2015 08:04PM

eviltwin wrote: »

How do you think this business is going to negatively affect your child? Would you still object of it wasn't so close to their school?

Don't mean to be rude, but I think I've answered both of these questions already under interrogation last night:)

TherapyBoy · 23-06-2015 08:17PM

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Or just like every other sex shop up and down the country - they'll have their wares on display in their window.

All their windows in the Drumcondra shop were completely opaque. You could not see through them.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 08:26PM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

All their windows in the Drumcondra shop were completely opaque. You could not see through them.

So he was talking nonsense with this then?

When asked why he has chosen to expand in such a residential area, Cullen’s answer was very to the point.

“There’s 80,000 cars up and down that stretch of road every day. That is going to drive traffic to the shop,” he said.

I really can't say I'm surprised.

TherapyBoy · 23-06-2015 08:39PM

No, he's not talking nonsense.

There are approximately 80,000 cars travelling on that road each day. Potentially 80,000 pairs of eyes seeing the front of that shop with the company name on a big sign over the door.

The fact remains, and it is a fact, that every piece of glass, windows downstairs & upstairs and both glass panels in the door to that shop in Drumcondra were completely opaque. You could not see through them at all from either side.

One eyed Jack · 23-06-2015 09:01PM

TherapyBoy wrote: »

No, he's not talking nonsense.

There are approximately 80,000 cars travelling on that road each day. Potentially 80,000 pairs of eyes seeing the front of that shop with the company name on a big sign over the door.

The fact remains, and it is a fact, that every piece of glass, windows downstairs & upstairs and both glass panels in the door to that shop in Drumcondra were completely opaque. You could not see through them at all from either side.

So he's talking nonsense with this then?

We won’t be in people’s faces, the shop will be quite subtle and low key.

The company name on a big sign over the door, with the potential to be seen by 80,000 pairs of eyes, and all that traffic driven into the shop in a residential area, and that's 'low key' apparently?

Won't somebody please think of the children? Adult Store opens in Drumcondra

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