Big Brother UK 2015 **Use spoiler tags, mod warning post #1 & 3037**

Lemlin wrote: »

I do wish you'd try to answer some of my questions rather than just move on each time. If anything, you're unwillingness to take them on head on shows you don't trust your own argument.

So why did Danny call a pep talk with his sheep and tell them they needed to wise up? Why are they all seeking his approval regarding who they nominate? Jack before he even has done. Marc didn't do anything like that until he saw Christian name him when nominating Sam. A clear message was sent of what the clique was doing - we can't get you but we're going to go after your friends. Danny is such a nice lad but he is happy to influence the weak housemates into doing what he wants. Doesn't seem very nice guy to me. I think he's the manipulator in the house, not Marc.

If Marc is picking on the weak housemates, why is he the one sticking up for the likes of Sam, Showbiz and Eileen who have been ostracised by the others? They are the weak characters, even weaker than Jack, Chloe and Christian, yet you claim Marc targets the easy people. He doesn’t, as I said previously, he allies himself to them.

He has always said there was a clique and there clearly is. It's apparent every Friday evening when you see where people sit. If anything, he has gone the hard way by targetting that clique. As I said previously, he could have just been 'nice Marc' like Joel and others have said to him and blended into the background. The problem for Danny is that he had his group setup to guarantee him a nice ride to the final and Marc has ended all of that. I think Marc's problem wasn't the perception of him from the clique but the fact that they were actually the ones picking on others. He expects to be disliked and has openly said it. For example, he didn't say much to Jack for his little drunken rant because he accepted he had annoyed Jack.

The actual housemates I'd think the most of are Helen, Marc and Joel. Helen may not be liked but she's a good judge of character for me and, after last night's episode, I don’t see how you could think she likes Danny. Marc I didn't think I'd like at all but you have to admire how much entertainment he has brought to what was a very unforgettable cast. Even Joel said that he gained a huge respect for him after his interview with him and that he's never met a character as complex as him. Joel has also said if there is one thing that Marc is its honest so I don't see how you can call him a "convincing liar".

What exactly has Danny provided? Other than some pizza box throwing and recent arguments when he was forced to show a truer side of himself.



You have to see from that yourself that others just aren't seeing things the way you are.

What moving on did I do!! Danny has featured barely yet you have built up an irrational extreme dislike of him! I dont like Mark at all and I have given rational reasons! I don't like or dislike Danny, I just think he is a normal, nice, albit fame hungry (like 90% of them in there) London lad who has broke down a few times and has a similar dislike of Marks antics. Yes he is gameplaying and yes he has rallied the troops a bit against the influence of the toxic behaviour of Helen and Mark but that hardly makes him the sort of person you have painted him out to be. But that is your perogative.

I don't have to answer any questions you put to me, although the amount of replies I have given you with reasonable and explained theory behind them, you cannot say I am brushing over aspects.

I will answer what you have asked to the best of my ability. It is just my opinion so please target the opinion not the poster. I have seen my name been used in posts that arent anything to do with my posts so if you have an issue with my opinions, not necessarily you of course, reply to the post dont try and ridicule what is essentially an avatar username!!
This is getting far too heated to be honest and it isn't fun anymore. I said I dont like Mark or Helen. You said you do like them but you hate Danny. I said I think Danny is sound enough, from what I hae seen. We debated it. Neither of us changed our minds. Alls fair enough!!

I fully explained why Mark alligned himself to others. To put it siply Simon and Sam are like his sheep, Helen is like is equal and Joel he knows is both popular but more importantly an emotional and intellectual force that he, admitted would be the only person he would lose to in a verbal battle. Joel is also very likeable and seems to be able to neutralise himself and be his own person but I dont think he has specifically alligned himself to Mark. He is his own person. I am not sure why you said Eileen as he would have barely got to kno her as she was only in there a few days when Mark was at his hyper worst. I cant even recall them in a personal dialogue together. In fact when she was in there there was no divide.

Jack, Chloe and Christian are weak in their own ways, yes and they did rely on a bit of a pep talk to show a bit of unity against any of Mark's antics etc. If I was Christian I would have chosen sam also. She adds nothing to the house and hasn't a mind of her own in making decisions or taking responsibility for them. I also never seen them interacting really so maybe he doesn't like her. She has also let herself down being Marks apologist for weeks just because he gave her a bit of attention. She is only figuring out now that he doesnt really give too much cr*p about her.

Mark's targets are weak housemates who challenge him, not specifically weak characters because they are weak. Again I have explained what I mean by this so that should answer your question. I would say Simon is the last person Mark would acknowledge outside the house in my opinion but he is not going to isolate himself and knows he needs support in the house. Sam and Simon are easy lapdogs for that and he tried to use their "friendship" to get them to vote for who he thought they should vote for.


I haven't noticed every Friday where people sit. Can you explain that to me. I often noticed friends sitting beside other friends like Chloe/Harriet No 1, NicK/Harri No. 2, Brian/Jade etc. But perhaps there is some sort of pattern you have noticed.


Anyway listen, lets leave it at this. The fact that you like Helen and think she is a good judge of character kind of establishes the fact that we are polar opposites in opinion! So we wont agree on a lot so lets just acknowledge eachothers posts but accept we dont agree. Fair. We are just going around in circles tbh!!

Old Perry wrote: »

Also it was said by jack or chloe or someone not diirctly by nick, on camera anyways. i stand to be corrected though

Yes thats it. Thanks OP

Wicklow Brave wrote: »

It was 100% Chloe, she was the first to enter the house.

Chloe is a 25 year old woman, not a young girl.

''Normal girl who has a lot of emotions and hormones''

LOL. I'm guessing you are male with that remark.

I said she was a normal girl. Yes I believe she is a normal girl.

I also said she has a lot of emotions and hormones, on account of missing her boyfriend who she has been going out with for about ten years and probably barely spends a day away from him without contact, let alone this long. It must be tough for her in that respect.

I also think there are normal girls who happen to have not as may emotions and hormones. Being a normal girl does not have any correlation of your ability to get emotional.

She has cried a few times in what is a serious tense, trying and hostile environment. I am not saying all girls do this, but some do. It is normal enough to be honest, yes.

Wicklow Brave wrote: »

You said 'Young girls do cry'. So I presume you meant Chloe? Like I said, she is a 25 year old woman.

You know the relationship she has with her boyfriend and how much time they spend together? LOL you seem to personally know all these HMs and their families really well. If she misses her boyfriend that much then maybe going on Big Brother wasn't such a good idea.

She's on Big Brother and lies in bed all day ffs hardly a ''serious tense trying and hostile environment''.

Some girls do cry yes and so do some boys, why is it that she's female that excuses her for crying because she gets told off for earwigging and then exaggerates it and cries because she got nominated and cries because she misses her boyfriend? They all miss their families I'm sure but none have openly weeped as near as much as Chloe.

I heard it once on the show that she was in a long term relationship with her boyfriend since she was a teenager. Yes. Does that make me know her no. Stopl being a smart ass. I have also just checked her bio and it says she has been going out with him since 17/18.

People are different. You and your girlfriends are obviously more hardened individuals than Chloe. (no I dont know them before you say as much) but Chloe crying a couple of times...... (she is hardly ALWAYS crying, maybe she cried a few times. She got upset when she got nominated. Deal with it, girl, I agree but she was called boring and perhaps she was insecure about that)
She got upset with Mark. She didnt exaggerate anything, she actually said she didnt want to talk about it and said she was going to bed. The rest of them made a big deal about it. He is an intimidating character and perhaps she felt upset about the confrontation.)

And yes, 25 is relatively young. The definition of a girl is a young or relatively young woman. I am not sure where youth ceases to end with you but yes, I would say Chloe is a relatively youn woman. So I guess a girl.

With all the confrontation, bitching, arguments, strong characters etc yes it is a rather hostile environment. Designed to break weakly emotional people like Chloe down.

Crimsonforce wrote: »

There's me thinking we were over it but nope, the leaving cert essays are back.

if you don't like my posts please choose to put me on ignore list. It is a simple press of your mouse and it would relieve you of the effort of reading them and posting smart remarks like these. There is no word limit on posts but luckily for you there is an ignore button. Simple.

United Chester Men wrote: »

I heard it once on the show that she was in a long term relationship with her boyfriend since she was a teenager. Yes. Does that make me know her no. Stopl being a smart ass. I have also just checked her bio and it says she has been going out with him since 17/18.

People are different. You and your girlfriends are obviously more hardened individuals than Chloe. (no I dont know them before you say as much) but Chloe crying a couple of times...... (she is hardly ALWAYS crying, maybe she cried a few times. She got upset when she got nominated. Deal with it, girl, I agree but she was called boring and perhaps she was insecure about that)
She got upset with Mark. She didnt exaggerate anything, she actually said she didnt want to talk about it and said she was going to bed. The rest of them made a big deal about it. He is an intimidating character and perhaps she felt upset about the confrontation.)

And yes, 25 is relatively young. The definition of a girl is a young or relatively young woman. I am not sure where youth ceases to end with you but yes, I would say Chloe is a relatively youn woman. So I guess a girl.

With all the confrontation, bitching, arguments, strong characters etc yes it is a rather hostile environment. Designed to break weakly emotional people like Chloe down.

Fair points. I'm not gonna argue with over what is young or old.

The problem with her crying though is that she makes others look like they are harassing her. I agree Marc can be a **** but if she finds him so intimidating and doesn't want confrontations then she shouldn't have pestered him about what he'd said to Jade (and she was pestering him). Being told to stop 'earwigging' is hardly anything to be getting majorly upset about, come on? This leads to Danny and others thinking Marc had said something a lot nastier which he hadn't. Even the next morning when she explained what happened to Danny, she did exaggerate to make it more than it was.
Likewise being called boring? Hardly that upsetting, can we not criticise anyone? She's boring in terms of being on a TV show, not herself personally. No need to take it to heart so much. She starts crying and that causes Brian to go berserk.

I like Chloe, she's a lovely person but I think perhaps she's copped that if she cries, Danny will be angry at Marc which means that herself and Danny will remain close and that ensures the survival of the clique.

Crimsonforce wrote: »

you'd had an argument in a phone box

I have opinions! Deal with it! I amn't arguing! I was just trying to help you out by introducing you to the ignore button as I would hate to think my posts are affecting your time on the thread!

Crimsonforce wrote: »

There's only one person in that phone box you know.

that makes no sense. In fact most of your posts don't but I didn't feel the need to point that out to you! Please stop fishing for attention and making comments about the poster, not the post. It is pathetic. If you cant have a debate without ATTEMPTING (albeit weakly) to make silly childish comments dont engage or mention me in your posts.

I was debating with other posters so metaphorically, to appease your smart ass remark, there was two of us in the Telecom Box. Tight squeeze but we made our points!

Now last post to you as Im ignoring you.