Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

bk · 11-06-2015 10:47AM

The Cush wrote: »

The eircom retail price for eFibre Standalone Broadband (eFibre Advanced (unlimited) up to 100/20) is €45 based on a wholesale monthly price of €17.50 and standard connection fee of €100.63 / self-install of €30.36.

Exactly, for VDSL, €17.50 wholesale -> €45 retail.

So I don't see how for FTTH 1Gbs €35 wholesale -> €45 retail !!

The 150Mb/s FTTH product is €18.50 wholesale, so maybe that could hit close to €45 retail, but I'd be very surprised if 1Gb/s does. I hope I'm wrong, 1Gb/s for €45 would be revolutionary.

Stinicker wrote: »

The 1000mbs? Is that both up and download speed? Or is the upload slower like conventional broadband? Any mention of a fair usage policy?

It is 100Mb/s up. Yes the upload speed is slower then download on the type of technology (GPON) is using for FTTH.

Praetorian · 11-06-2015 10:58AM

Stinicker wrote: »

The 1000mbs? Is that both up and download speed? Or is the upload slower like conventional broadband? Any mention of a fair usage policy?

Top eircom package I think will be 1000 x 100 unfortunately.

the Top siro package appears to be 1000 x 1000

rob808 · 11-06-2015 11:48AM

Praetorian wrote: »

Top eircom package I think will be 1000 x 100 unfortunately.

the Top siro package appears to be 1000 x 1000

yea 100mb upload more than enough you wouldn't need 1Gb upload unless your running a business.

Praetorian · 11-06-2015 12:30PM

I could definitely find uses for 100m/bit upload at home and for 1000 m/bit upload at home. Don't get me wrong, I would be on cloud nine with 1000 x 100. I already am very happy on 100 x 20.

Also I run several business's and we are badly struggling with multiple dsl lines. One of our database daily backups alone is 346 gigs, it would be incredibly convenient to be able to set that to upload daily to replace the hassle of using my venerable dell rd1000 data cartridges.

It's incredible how badly served the biggest industrial estates are in Dublin. No UPC even though they said they would rollout / no FTTH rollout or sign of it, No efibre. A farmer in Navan soon could have 100 times faster internet than business's in big industrial estates in the capital. It's bizzare really. Obviously the ISP's are protecting the revenues for their old dedicated fibre products. Those old ridiculous prices are unaffordable for smb's.

Stinicker · 11-06-2015 01:44PM

bk wrote: »

It is 100Mb/s up. Yes the upload speed is slower then download on the type of technology (GPON) is using for FTTH.

Once the fibre goes in it is future proofed, will Eircom and Siro be using different technologies on their fibre offerings? If Eircom are using GPON what type of equipment will Siro be using? and what would be the best equipment to use in a perfect world without financial limits

ED E · 11-06-2015 02:39PM

Stinicker wrote: »

Once the fibre goes in it is future proofed, will Eircom and Siro be using different technologies on their fibre offerings? If Eircom are using GPON what type of equipment will Siro be using? and what would be the best equipment to use in a perfect world without financial limits

Its all GPON, but will go to 10GPON. Ideally we'd get p2p fibre but that won't happen on a large scale.

Stinicker · 11-06-2015 02:50PM

So it seems (correct me if I'm wrong) Eircoms GPON network will support 1000/1000 up down but for some reason they are starting off with 1000/100, which is okay because they might always offer it later on, the main thing is that the technical ability is there to offer it.

FTTH will also revolutionise TV and these type of gigabit speeds will probably start to effect UPC as they will have to either go fibre or lose out, its quite possible that in five years time UPC will be in the sort of position where Eircom was two years ago before they started the vDSL rollout if they don't innovate. Also it would be great if for example a FTTH customer could get iPTV from the likes of UPC in an area not served by UPC?

ED E · 11-06-2015 02:59PM

Stinicker wrote: »

So it seems (correct me if I'm wrong) Eircoms GPON network will support 1000/1000 up down but for some reason they are starting off with 1000/100, which is okay because they might always offer it later on, the main thing is that the technical ability is there to offer it.

Well, its not quite like that. If they only connected one customer to a run they could give them 1G symmetric, but they're not going to do that everywhere. Each fibre has 2.5Gbps to be split up to 64 ways. Thats 78Mb per sub at 32 ways or 39Mb per sub at 64 ways. Obviously they won't go this low, so say 150Mb standard package thats 16 users per fibre. 20 fibres under a cab, 16 per fibre = 320 users per node. Thats reasonable enough. For each user that gets 1Gb though, they take up 6.5 150Mb users places.

When GPON goes to 10GPON (New OLTs, possibly ONTs too) then there'll be more to go around.

For now I wouldnt be surprised to see a 1:8 split as VDSL will cover many users to an acceptable level.

kaizersoze · 11-06-2015 03:11PM

ED E wrote: »

Well, its not quite like that. If they only connected one customer to a run they could give them 1G symmetric, but they're not going to do that everywhere. Each fibre has 2.5Gbps to be split up to 64 ways. Thats 78Mb per sub at 32 ways or 39Mb per sub at 64 ways. Obviously they won't go this low, so say 150Mb standard package thats 16 users per fibre. 20 fibres under a cab, 16 per fibre = 320 users per node. Thats reasonable enough. For each user that gets 1Gb though, they take up 6.5 150Mb users places.

When GPON goes to 10GPON (New OLTs, possibly ONTs too) then there'll be more to go around.

For now I wouldnt be surprised to see a 1:8 split as VDSL will cover many users to an acceptable level.

Great post.

Stinicker wrote:

FTTH will also revolutionise TV and these type of gigabit speeds will probably start to effect UPC as they will have to either go fibre or lose out, its quite possible that in five years time UPC will be in the sort of position where Eircom was two years ago before they started the vDSL rollout if they don't innovate. Also it would be great if for example a FTTH customer could get iPTV from the likes of UPC in an area not served by UPC?

SIRO & Eircom FTTH will be wholesale networks so it's possible you'll see UPC offering services on it.

Johnboy1951 · 11-06-2015 03:40PM

SIRO & Eircom FTTH will be wholesale networks ...

As such they will be offering wholesale 1,000/1,000 as I understand it. (Maybe I am wrong here)

If 1,000/1,000 is going to be available at all it will have to be widespread I would imagine.

ED E · 11-06-2015 03:56PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

As such they will be offering wholesale 1,000/1,000 as I understand it. (Maybe I am wrong here)

If 1,000/1,000 is going to be available at all it will have to be widespread I would imagine.

Seems not.

The most common PON standards in current use are EPON/GEPON (based on IEEE 802.3ah) and GPON (ITU-T G.984). The EPON/GEPON standard uses Gigabit Ethernet with symmetric speeds downstream and upstream. GPON was developed to provide higher downstream speeds than upstream.

Source

Have ESB said they'll be symmetric? Because they have said "Primarily GPON", so to get Gig Symmetric they'd have a split of 1:2 which would be costly.

digiman · 11-06-2015 05:59PM

ED E wrote: »

Seems not.

Source

Have ESB said they'll be symmetric? Because they have said "Primarily GPON", so to get Gig Symmetric they'd have a split of 1:2 which would be costly.

Both Eircom and Siro will plan their networks with contention so they will be able to offer 1Gb symmetric for many years to come comfortably on much higher split ratios than 1:2 for home users.

Business customers will be a different story though, essentially you will pay for what you get

ED E · 11-06-2015 10:58PM

digiman wrote: »

Both Eircom and Siro will plan their networks with contention so they will be able to offer 1Gb symmetric for many years to come comfortably on much higher split ratios than 1:2 for home users.

Business customers will be a different story though, essentially you will pay for what you get

Oh I agree they will. As I said

When GPON goes to 10GPON (New OLTs, possibly ONTs too) then there'll be more to go around.

Unless they start with 10Gbps OLTs. We don't even know the vendors theyre using (Eircom have some sort of Huawei ONT so might hint they went that way). I'm really interested to see what the boardsie above gets.

The Cush · 11-06-2015 11:21PM

ED E wrote: »

We don't even know the vendors theyre using (Eircom have some sort of Huawei ONT so might hint they went that way). I'm really interested to see what the boardsie above gets.

eircom Selects Huawei for Fibre to the Home (Wednesday, 22 April, 2015)

Would that be an exclusive contract with Huawei?

ED E · 11-06-2015 11:33PM

Presumably. VDSL is single vendor (alcatel had the trial, but all the real cabs have been Huawei).

http://e.huawei.com/en/products/fixed-network/access/olt/ma5680t

Oh baby, 64 x 10G GPON. Safe bet they're going to start with that then if they're offering 1Gb to users so. I was wrong, wheres my hat...

Now GIMME GIMME GIMME :pac:

Johnboy1951 · 11-06-2015 11:49PM

ED E wrote: »

Seems not.

Source

Have ESB said they'll be symmetric? Because they have said "Primarily GPON", so to get Gig Symmetric they'd have a split of 1:2 which would be costly.

That does seem to be what they are saying .... from the SIRO thread

https://soundcloud.com/user282274141/trevor-lucy-siros-technical-director

JohnC. · 12-06-2015 09:27AM

Maybe a silly question, but given that this needs a new line installed, is it treated completely separately from the phone service, unless you want them both together?

Currently, due to legacy issues, I've got broadband and phone separately, from two different providers and under two different peoples names. If I want to change ADSL broadband provider right now, I can't do it without joining everything up under the same account. Am I also likely to have to join them up if I were to get fibre? Or would the fibre line be standalone, separate from the phone?

Johnboy1951 · 12-06-2015 11:01AM

Kahless wrote: »

Maybe a silly question, but given that this needs a new line installed, is it treated completely separately from the phone service, unless you want them both together?

Currently, due to legacy issues, I've got broadband and phone separately, from two different providers and under two different peoples names. If I want to change ADSL broadband provider right now, I can't do it without joining everything up under the same account. Am I also likely to have to join them up if I were to get fibre? Or would the fibre line be standalone, separate from the phone?

Most are dispensing with the POTS line and moving to VOIP for phone.

You can set up your VOIP phone on any broadband connection that is suitable for VOIP .... a lot of people have done it on copper connection.

It will be even easier on fibre .... and a lot less costly as there will be no 'line rental'.

So you can take your broadband connection from one provider and your phone service from any provider you wish.

ED E · 12-06-2015 12:08PM

Eircom have a thing about not having two accounts (two lines sure, but not two accounts) at the same residential premises. At a wholesale level they might tag this line onto one of the existing accounts.

Do you have two lines or are you line sharing? That IS allowed. In any case, you can drop the copper and the PSTN services when you get fibre, who needs a crackly old copper line anyways.

irishgeo · 12-06-2015 07:02PM

i am correct in saying its eircom 1000/100 while siro is 1000/1000.

the price is going to key here on de3ciding what i get.

KOR101 · 13-06-2015 04:52PM

funkhouser wrote: »

Some of the exchanges listed in Eircom's latest announcement have no density of housing around them to speak of. I know previously Eircom said they would roll out to rural housing estates of 25 or more but there is nothing like this anywhere near some of the exchanges listed. It's just one off houses strung along the road. I'm 3km from one of these exchanges, I would love to believe it's true that Eircom will roll out fibre either FTTH or FTTC within 3 years but I can't understand how it's viable to roll out to some of the exchanges listed. I'll believe it when I see it.

Yes, it's impossible to know until we see an updated map. But, you can just do some simple math. 300,000 homes and are there 300 places on the list? So, about 1,000 each. I looked on Bing maps at the roads close to the Backwater Bridge exchange in Kerry, and there are damn all houses. I know it's on the road to Sneem which does have substantial housing, but I'm beginning to think there is a possibility that this really is about low density rural homes -a 40% chunk of the NBP as they say. I'm 5/6km from the exchange, but I think I've a chance of getting it.

As to viability, by doing this it makes it cheaper to do the remaining 60%, and makes it more expensive for SIRO. So, their hand is further strengthened in the bidding.

rob808 · 13-06-2015 09:28PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Yes, it's impossible to know until we see an updated map. But, you can just do some simple math. 300,000 homes and are there 300 places on the list? So, about 1,000 each. I looked on Bing maps at the roads close to the Backwater Bridge exchange in Kerry, and there are damn all houses. I know it's on the road to Sneem which does have substantial housing, but I'm beginning to think there is a possibility that this really is about low density rural homes -a 40% chunk of the NBP as they say. I'm 5/6km from the exchange, but I think I've a chance of getting it.

As to viability, by doing this it makes it cheaper to do the remaining 60%, and makes it more expensive for SIRO. So, their hand is further strengthened in the bidding.

ok how so the ESB has spent over 6 billion on there rural electric network so siro could easily do NBP can't understand how it be more expensive.

PeadarB · 16-06-2015 03:32PM

ED E wrote: »

Half the country is done via DP poles. If theres any truth to what he said (was he just a regular faults lad?) then that would imply theyre only starting with modern housing estates.

Eircom Wholesale via twitter - I asked "@eircomwholesale will eircom use existing urban pole DP's for FTTH in Letterkenny. @eircomwholesale replied "in response to your query the specific roll-out infrastructure utilised is dependent on the location."

All's not lost... yet!!! I'm a fierce pessimist when it comes to poor old eircom

swoofer · 18-06-2015 01:42PM

an update, work has started in Ennis for the FTTH, lots of activity, KN are doing it and others. Raising boxes etc. Looking good. KN called it a " TRIAL" of FTTH!!

Would eircom offer it early to people before the official launch?

PeadarB · 18-06-2015 09:02PM

swoofer wrote: »

an update, work has started in Ennis for the FTTH, lots of activity, KN are doing it and others. Raising boxes etc. Looking good. KN called it a " TRIAL" of FTTH!!

Would eircom offer it early to people before the official launch?

They are welcome to knock on my door in Letterkenny whenever they want...:rolleyes:

KOR101 · 19-06-2015 10:41AM

Nothing new here, but a good summary of Eircom's position.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/video/interview-with-carolan-lennon-md-of-eircom-wholesale-on-irelands-broadband-future

I didn't catch in the original announcement that the 300,000 homes are in 1,070 communities. The published list only included about 300.

lucernarian · 19-06-2015 11:22AM

KOR101 wrote: »

Nothing new here, but a good summary of Eircom's position.

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/video/interview-with-carolan-lennon-md-of-eircom-wholesale-on-irelands-broadband-future

I didn't catch in the original announcement that the 300,000 homes are in 1,070 communities. The published list only included about 300.

Nothing new at all, I figured initially that the 1070 communities referred to townlands it touched upon.

I know bk confirmed it before, but I find it hard to believe that eircom's footprint of 1.6 million premises actually means that 1.6 million places will be able to order VDSL or FTTH of some kind. At least the latest announcement of 300,000 won't be with people failing tests while their neighbours pass - but do the 310 exchanges have 300,000 premises in their areas? I don't believe they do.

Anybody out there with the latest exchange list database, drop me a PM!

tv221 · 19-06-2015 11:50AM

swoofer wrote: »

an update, work has started in Ennis for the FTTH, lots of activity, KN are doing it and others. Raising boxes etc. Looking good. KN called it a " TRIAL" of FTTH!!

Would eircom offer it early to people before the official launch?

A couple of people I spoke with seemed sure a couple of Large Corps in Shannon were getting it soon as well

kaizersoze · 20-06-2015 12:54AM

tv221 wrote: »

A couple of people I spoke with seemed sure a couple of Large Corps in Shannon were getting it soon as well

I'd imagine large corporates in Shannon would have fibre links long ago? Wouldn't they?

jca · 20-06-2015 02:40AM

There's an awful lot of activity here in Enniscorrhy K N vans everywhere. The fibre cabinet on top of bohreen hill has grown a new top.

Eircom to roll out 1Gb/s FTTH to 66 towns

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