!! Music LC15 - Before and After !!

Elemonator · 02-06-2015 3:27pm #1

Throw your predictions out for LC Music. For a classical set work I reckon Berlioz will come up.

Username44 · 02-06-2015 8:58pm

I hoping The Beatles!

Elemonator · 03-06-2015 3:16pm

Username44 wrote: »

I hoping The Beatles!

I did hear something about them also.

Troxck · 03-06-2015 3:47pm

There's no point in predicting Music since every work will appear no matter what! But I have heard that either Berlioz or The Beatles will appear the the long question.

Anyone have tips on how to improve melody writing?

GoodbyeMrA · 03-06-2015 4:25pm

Anyone have any resources for backing chords? Missed a lot of school this year and hardly got a chance with them.

AllyBushell · 04-06-2015 8:05pm

One of the best Music resources out there imo

http://leavingcertmusic.weebly.com/

Messo · 14-06-2015 10:25am

What essays should I learn for irish music ?? Thank you

Username44 · 14-06-2015 1:04pm

The Beatles- Shes leaving home
Berlioz March au Supplice
Dean- Dies Irae
Mozart- Movement 3

Essays:
Collectors of Irish Music
Sean Nos
Irish Song Tradition

if832uspx4eogt · 14-06-2015 1:40pm

^^ That'd be beautiful ! I'm so ducked for the listening section.

Elemonator · 14-06-2015 4:22pm

Username44 wrote: »

The Beatles- Shes leaving home
Berlioz March au Supplice
Dean- Dies Irae
Mozart- Movement 3

Essays:
Collectors of Irish Music
Sean Nos
Irish Song Tradition

Thanks

Lana96 · 15-06-2015 8:42am

Any ideas for what the melody will be like? My music teacher says a minor is due and she suspects with 6/8 with an upbeat

if832uspx4eogt · 15-06-2015 10:38am

A minor melody, 6/8 and with an upbeat is the hardest you could get but yes it's likely. The melodic minor is such a ***$

On the upside, at least the Backing Chords will most likely be major.

Benm123 · 15-06-2015 1:52pm

Lana96 wrote: »

Any ideas for what the melody will be like? My music teacher says a minor is due and she suspects with 6/8 with an upbeat

I think that a melody like this is extremely unlikely. They have never given a minor melody that had an upbeat. Never. They also rarely give minors that are in awkward time signatures.

Usually it's either upbeat+awkward time signature OR minor.
This is just my findings anyway, I'd be absolutely shocked if I saw a minor melody with 6/8 and an upbeat, that would be the cruel of cruels and would surely cause outrage amongst students and Teachers alike.

My prediction is simply a minor melody, probably in 4/4, maybe 3/4 or another time sig but definitely not with an upbeat.

I'd also guess a minor harmony too but not as sure on that one

Peg14 · 15-06-2015 4:39pm

in 2012 I think it was a 6/8 minor but you're right, no offbeat.
I like the 6/8 time for some reason...I think you can be less imaginative with rhythm and all...which works!
Harmony minor is grand too only I like using the III - VI but you know can't in a minor. Hopefully it will be a 6/8 melody and a simple time like 4/4 for the Harmony.

Max96 · 16-06-2015 10:51am

Could anyone please give me some hints/tips/notes/sample answers for the Composing Question 1, (Continuation of a giving opening) and harmony question 5 (Composing bass notes and chord indications to a given tune) for major and minor. Would be a massive help as I am struggling big time. Cheers.

sheepbaiii · 16-06-2015 5:22pm

Just wondering if anybody knows what is the recommended amount of Irish music essays to learn for HL music.

I have the top 4:
Collectors
Influence on North America
The Chieftans
Mícheál Ó Súilleabháin

And then I'm not sure after that. I could learn
Sean Nós
Céilí bands
Irish dance music
Seán O Riada
Irish song tradition
Irish harping tradition

Really want to pick as little as possible out of the second list as I have a lot of work on Mozart to do. Got a new teacher for 6th year and she basically did nothing.
Any help would be appreciated as I need an A!

Peg14 · 16-06-2015 5:41pm

I would say dance music

Username44 · 16-06-2015 10:11pm

Is a minor harmony treated different then a major one ?

evolving_doors · 16-06-2015 11:10pm

Max96 wrote: »

Could anyone please give me some hints/tips/notes/sample answers for the Composing Question 1, (Continuation of a giving opening) and harmony question 5 (Composing bass notes and chord indications to a given tune) for major and minor. Would be a massive help as I am struggling big time. Cheers.

Q5.. Get the chords first
. generally 4 phrases .. at the end of each one is a cadence. if you can do these 2 chords per cadence then that's 8 chords done (last 2 or 3 chords is the easiest).
look at the melody notes on strong beats.. if the majority are from your triads in the chord grid then chalk it down.
Try to stick to 1 4 5 chords as much as possible.
When all chords done move to bass notes..

Bass notes: quickly go through and put the root note in the bass under each chord as a semibreve (change the rhythm later). Youll get a better idea of shape then (melody goes up --> bass goes down.. vice versa)
Use 1st inv to get you out of trouble (if nothing else fits)... approach and leave this bass note by step.

When all bass notes sketched in look at given bassline rhythm, try to keep to the given style. Leave room for long notes at cadence points.

Oh yeah, make sure you are in the right key..

Helppls · 17-06-2015 11:59am

Is anyone doing the listening elective? My teacher is **** and I can't find anything about the CD online?
Does anyone know how many pieces have to be on it, how long they have to be and if you can use a memory stick instead??

if832uspx4eogt · 17-06-2015 12:34pm

What do you do the Elective instead of? It looks really easy, learn off an essay about 5 pieces of music? That seems much easier than composing and listening!

Helppls · 17-06-2015 12:47pm

It's actually instead of doing 50% performing, you do 25% of an elective! Still have to do the listening and composing paper unfortunately ! It is really easy though!

griffin246 · 17-06-2015 3:05pm

whats everyone learning for the Irish music essays?

sheepbaiii · 17-06-2015 7:15pm

Have they ever put a set work on as q1 twice in a row? We barely did Mozart like

me1289 · 17-06-2015 7:16pm

Username44 wrote: »

Is a minor harmony treated different then a major one ?

yes dear god yes

griffin246 wrote: »

whats everyone learning for the Irish music essays?

Influence of Irish music on North America
Fusion
Sean Nos singing
Collectors
Composers
Harping Tradition
Development of music since the 1950's.

Peg14 · 17-06-2015 9:23pm

I've learned:
Dance Music
Ornamentation
Regional styles
Sean-nós
North America influence
Changes in Irish music since 1920's
The Song Tradition

Probably should have learned Sean'O Riada or maybe the preservation of Irish music

Benm123 · 18-06-2015 7:33am

Guys I have applied maths tomorrow and so have had zero cramming time for music.

I have one essay learned off, the song tradition.
How likely is this to come up? Lol I know I'm stupid but applied maths > music at this stage.

if832uspx4eogt · 18-06-2015 11:04am

Last minute panic - what if the note we have to use in our modulation is already # ? Do you put two sharps in front of the note or just one to signify it's a double sharp?

Hydrocerium · 18-06-2015 11:47am

Samir Mushy Platypus wrote: »

Last minute panic - what if the note we have to use in our modulation is already # ? Do you put two sharps in front of the note or just one to signify it's a double sharp?

Raise it one semitone still which if the note's sharp would bring it to the next note I think eg: if you are modulating from D it goes to D#, if you are modulating from D# it would go to E or if you are modulating from D flat it would go to D natural

evolving_doors · 18-06-2015 12:35pm

Samir Mushy Platypus wrote: »

Last minute panic - what if the note we have to use in our modulation is already # ? Do you put two sharps in front of the note or just one to signify it's a double sharp?

wont happen
You only need to know keys up to 4sharps and flats...
So even if was in E (4sharps) and you modulate to dominant (Bmajor) then its just the A that becomes sharpened.

Benm123 · 18-06-2015 4:21pm

So, what did everyone think?

Peg14 · 18-06-2015 4:23pm

I would have liked more time to look over my melody. Overall thought the listening was good, the composition all right, don't really know.

Troxck · 18-06-2015 4:26pm

Grand paper, no surprises really.

I'm done now!

Troxck · 18-06-2015 4:41pm

Fine, listening was standard. Very happy with the composition. I did both 65 minutes and left after that.

dalta5billion · 18-06-2015 5:04pm

Was q5 on harmonies in the composing paper in 4/4 or 3/4 time?

Also, was there a bar you had to finish in the bass at the start, as I know I finished it 3/4 but was told the time Sig. was 4/4 after??

Thanks

evolving_doors · 18-06-2015 7:24pm

dalta5billion wrote: »

Was q5 on harmonies in the composing paper in 4/4 or 3/4 time?

Also, was there a bar you had to finish in the bass at the start, as I know I finished it 3/4 but was told the time Sig. was 4/4 after??

Thanks

4/4 with a crotchet upbeat so last bar has 3 beats..

Ya bar 2 needs 1 more beat (or crotchet rest!!)

sheepbaiii · 18-06-2015 8:12pm

Thought q 5 harmony was tricky enough! Was I the only one?

Listening was grand though!

Peg14 · 18-06-2015 8:50pm

sheepbaiii wrote: »

Thought q 5 harmony was tricky enough! Was I the only one? Listening was grand though!

No you weren't! Didn't realise there was an offbeat ah well!

Benm123 · 18-06-2015 9:36pm

Peg14 wrote: »

No you weren't! Didn't realise there was an offbeat ah well!

Offbeat? What's an offbeat? :O
Don't you only have to account for that in the ending baseline bar, like only do 3beats instead of 4beats? Or does that effect the whole thing??

Peg14 · 18-06-2015 9:53pm

Benm123 wrote: »

Offbeat? What's an offbeat? :O
Don't you only have to account for that in the ending baseline bar, like only do 3beats instead of 4beats? Or does that effect the whole thing??

It only affects the last bar I think so not really the end of the world!! :pac: An offbeat...yeah that's what my music teacher has always called it. Only from coming on boards did I realise people actually refer to it as an upbeat. SO same thing really.

Elemonator · 18-06-2015 10:30pm

Not sure tbh I think it was good really. Harmony was a ****ing bitch though.

evolving_doors · 19-06-2015 8:43am

Benm123 wrote: »

Offbeat? What's an offbeat? :O
Don't you only have to account for that in the ending baseline bar, like only do 3beats instead of 4beats? Or does that effect the whole thing??

An offbeat usually refers to notes where something happents but not on the strong beats. Like in a 4/4 the strong beats are 1 and 3 (count 1 2 3 4 a few times and you'll naturally hear yourself saying the 1 and 3 louder ... 2 and 4 are the offbeats).

The correct term is 'upbeat' as it implies the complete phrase doesn't start on the 1st beat of the bar. Offbeat could refer to any part of the music where something occurs once as an offbeat (even with the phrase starting on the 1st beat).

So.. 'upbeat' is the word we should use... or 'pickup' if you want to be a funky hipster from the states.

Dingle123 · 19-06-2015 12:38pm

Did anyone actually know what a flageolet was? It was never mentioned by my teacher before...

me1289 · 19-06-2015 1:08pm

Dingle123 wrote: »

Did anyone actually know what a flageolet was? It was never mentioned by my teacher before...

it meant play any harmonic

Peg14 · 19-06-2015 1:21pm

me1289 wrote: »

it meant play any harmonic

I said it was pressing/plucking string lightly to sound an octave higher. Other people I know said it was pressing it lightly a 4th higher to make it sound 2octaves higher. Not sure really what they're looking for.

Benm123 · 19-06-2015 5:46pm

Gebgbegb wrote: »

An offbeat usually refers to notes where something happents but not on the strong beats. Like in a 4/4 the strong beats are 1 and 3 (count 1 2 3 4 a few times and you'll naturally hear yourself saying the 1 and 3 louder ... 2 and 4 are the offbeats).

The correct term is 'upbeat' as it implies the complete phrase doesn't start on the 1st beat of the bar. Offbeat could refer to any part of the music where something occurs once as an offbeat (even with the phrase starting on the 1st beat).

So.. 'upbeat' is the word we should use... or 'pickup' if you want to be a funky hipster from the states.

Oh ok yes I'm familiar with offbeats like that, I play drums so :P phew, just got confused when someone said offbeat, I'm very used to upbeat and i accounted for it in the last bar! Crisis averted!

evolving_doors · 19-06-2015 11:04pm

Dingle123 wrote: »

Did anyone actually know what a flageolet was? It was never mentioned by my teacher before...

Roundabout 11mins in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDTA3O8VfzU

!*!* Music LC15 - Before and After *!*!

Comments

!! Music LC15 - Before and After !!