Are there any Irish persons left in Ireland?

iusedtoknow · 14-06-2015 05:19PM

Asmooh wrote: »

It's not about what people want or can, it's about adjusting to the country.
If you move to any country and you are working in a place where you work with people (example a store) you should always speak the language spoken in the country.

I'm an immigrant to the US from Ireland. I live in San Francisco, in an area that was "traditionally" irish but is not Cantonese Chinese and Vietnamese, but around 40% of the population born in Asia.

All I hear every day is Cantonese, some Mandarin and Viet. Do I care? Should they ALL speak english to each other just because they are in the US? The answer to both is ....no. Plus, the vietnamese and canton food here is the best you will get out of those regions.

And I sincerely hope, that even with your Dutch co-workers, even when there are no other nationalities around that you only converse in English.

on_my_oe · 14-06-2015 05:21PM

Perhaps his real problem is, he's tried his luck with a few Polish women (or men, depending on your preference), and been knocked back repeatedly so to rebuild his fragile self esteem feels making ignorant comments about a nationality is a good idea.

How do you know they're Polish, and not Lithuanian or Slovakian or German or anything else?

Grayson · 14-06-2015 05:22PM

Asmooh wrote: »

In my job I need to speak Dutch, that's why they were asking me in the first place..
But if I would work in a store, I would always speak English yes, even of the other person is Dutch, because I think thats professional behavior.

So is it only polish people that have this lack of professionalism?

K.Flyer · 14-06-2015 05:23PM

I think I know where the O.P. is coming from...
Before anyone moves to live in the Netherlands they must Pass a written and oral exam to prove that they are competent with the Dutch language.
They may also be asked to sit an exam on their knowledge of Dutch society and general norms.
While it has raised a certain amount of controversy over the years, it means that if a non national is working in a place where they deal with the general public, they have a standard of language skills to communicate effectively.
So it shows, rightly or wrongly, that Dutch society have an intolerance of non - nationals not speaking in the local lingo.

Dutch Residence Civic integration

kneemos · 14-06-2015 05:23PM

KwackerJack wrote: »

I know and work with a lot of foreign nationals and I have to say I find 99.9% of the FN I meet are lot friendlier the our Irish brothers and sisters.

The Irish have become extremely self centered and ignorant. Obviously not all but even some people I know years seem to have the belief that their somehow better than everyone else when in fact their not at all. This really annoys me because growing up I really believed we lived on a little friendly island where everyone got along.

Boy has that changed! Society is so diverse (in a bad way) now that the innocent Ireland I knew as a kid is well and truly gone!

The Irish haven't left Ireland they have just forgotten to be, well Irish!!

The Celtic F**k up really brought out the worst in us all, we were definitely not as bad before that.

Talking to Russian and Latvian friends of mine they could even noticed the shift in the Irish mentality.

The friendly thing is a myth,even amongst ourselves we are clannish and standoffish.

dxhound2005 · 14-06-2015 05:24PM

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I'd love to see a world where no other language is used except English, but que sera sera.

Que sera sera. That doesn't work in any language. You're just confusing thing even more.

http://study.com/academy/lesson/que-sera-sera-translation-meaning-quiz.html

Some say the phrase Que sera, sera is Spanish, others say Italian, or perhaps you think that it's French. Here's the truth: the phrase is not really grammatically correct in any of those languages. In fact, it's not grammatically correct in any language

MathDebater · 14-06-2015 05:25PM

He's right on the language thing. That goes for Paddy and Patricia living in the Costa del Sol as much as it goes for Pawel and Paulina living in Leixlip. When on the shop floor and in front of the customers they should speak the national lingo.

Stheno · 14-06-2015 05:26PM

K.Flyer wrote: »

I think I know where the O.P. is coming from...
Before anyone moves to live in the Netherlands they must Pass a written and oral exam to prove that they are competent with the Dutch language.
They may also be asked to sit an exam on their knowledge of Dutch society and general norms.
While it has raised a certain amount of controversy over the years, it means that if a non national is working in a place where they deal with the general public, they have a standard of language skills to communicate effectively.
So it shows, rightly or wrongly, that Dutch society have an intolerance of non - nationals not speaking in the local lingo.

Residence Civic integration

That's only non Eu nationals though isn't it?

Penny Tration · 14-06-2015 05:26PM

Op, why are you complaining about immigrants when you are one?

If you hate the Polish people, go to a country where there are none.

If you don't like how Ireland manages immigration or how companies manage their foreign staff - leave. You're not being held in Ireland at gunpoint and frankly we could do with less xenophobes and racists.

ardinn · 14-06-2015 05:27PM

They sex better thats for sure!

A little bored of them now - can we swap them for Argentinians??

LordSutch · 14-06-2015 05:30PM

Stheno wrote: »

Poles are only a tiny percentage of the population, where are you living?

That's true, but interestingly "Polish" is now the 2nd most spoken language in the country!

Asmooh · 14-06-2015 05:31PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

Op, why are you complaining about immigrants when you are one?

If you hate the Polish people, go to a country where there are none.

If you don't like how Ireland manages immigration or how companies manage their foreign staff - leave. You're not being held in Ireland at gunpoint and frankly we could do with less xenophobes and racists.

I never said there is anything wrong with Ireland, just be clear on that
And I did't say anything racist compare to some people on youtube

I just think as long if we are EU there should be a general rule.

iusedtoknow · 14-06-2015 05:32PM

ardinn wrote: »

A little bored of them now - can we swap them for Argentinians??

They're a great bunch of lads

alias no.9 · 14-06-2015 05:32PM

Asmooh wrote: »

In my job I need to speak Dutch, that's why they were asking me in the first place..
But if I would work in a store, I would always speak English yes, even of the other person is Dutch, because I think thats professional behavior.

Given the pervasiveness of spoken English in the Netherlands, you might not be needed much longer and perhaps a Pole with fluent English could do your job, the irony would be delicious.

ardinn · 14-06-2015 05:32PM

On a serious note I know more latvians and lithuanians than I do polish.

aunt aggie · 14-06-2015 05:32PM

Asmooh wrote: »

I never said there is anything wrong with Ireland, just be clear on that
And I did't say anything racist compare to some people on youtube

I just think as long if we are EU there should be a general rule.

You should never reference Youtube as a barometer for what is and isn't racism.

Stheno · 14-06-2015 05:32PM

Asmooh wrote: »

I never said there is anything wrong with Ireland, just be clear on that
And I did't say anything racist compare to some people on youtube

I just think as long if we are EU there should be a general rule.

that would contravene the right to live and work anywhere in the eu if you are a citizen of any of the eu countries signed up to that

Penny Tration · 14-06-2015 05:33PM

Asmooh wrote: »

I never said there is anything wrong with Ireland, just be clear on that
And I did't say anything racist compare to some people on youtube

I just think as long if we are EU there should be a general rule.

Oh okay, so you're only what, 80% xenophobic, because some people are worse?

There's no general rule. We accept Polish people into Ireland, along with many other nationalities. If you don't like that, leave.

You've been allowed enter here. Why are you so much better than the Poles, that you should be allowed and not them? What have you got to offer that's better than them?

Asmooh · 14-06-2015 05:33PM

Stheno wrote: »

that would contravene the right to live and work anywhere in the eu if you are a citizen of any of the eu countries signed up to that

And did the member states ever got to vote who should be in and who should not?

MathDebater · 14-06-2015 05:35PM

alias no.9 wrote: »

Given the pervasiveness of spoken English in the Netherlands, you might not be needed much longer and perhaps a Pole with fluent English could do your job, the irony would be delicious.

He said that he got headhunted to come here as he's fluent in both Dutch and English.

Chris_Heilong · 14-06-2015 05:35PM

Some people will take this the wrong way as its not exactly the status quo but IMO Ireland has become a very progressive country so we dont mind lots of foreigners coming here, Us Irish have no issue but a lot of them want to live in Dublin, so from a visitors point of view it looks like we are being over run and the Irish are nowhere to be seen, A lot of the, are working in the service industry so they are at the frontline, many Irish are at a managerial level so behind the scenes, I tried looking at it this way when walking through O'Connell street and you hear a lot of Foreign languages everywhere, its a fact. But most of these people are here to stay so just accept it.

Asmooh · 14-06-2015 05:35PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

Oh okay, so you're only what, 80% xenophobic, because some people are worse?

There's no general rule. We accept Polish people into Ireland, along with many other nationalities. If you don't like that, leave.

You've been allowed enter here. Why are you so much better than the Poles, that you should be allowed and not them? What have you got to offer that's better than them?

Founding members:

The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was proposed by Robert Schuman in his declaration on 9 May 1950 and involved the pooling of the coal and steel industries of France and West Germany. Half of the project states, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands, had already achieved a great degree of integration between themselves with the organs of Benelux and earlier bilateral agreements. These five countries were joined by Italy and they all signed the Treaty of Paris on 23 July 1952. These six members, dubbed the 'inner six'

Says enough?

MadYaker · 14-06-2015 05:35PM

Polish people are sound OP. But I think you should fcuk off back to holland to be honest. People with an attitude like yours aren't welcome here.

Stheno · 14-06-2015 05:36PM

MathDebater wrote: »

He got headhunted to come here as he's fluent in both Dutch and English.

I wouldn't consider op fluent in English tbh

MathDebater · 14-06-2015 05:36PM

Asmooh wrote: »

And did the member states ever got to vote who should be in and who should not?

We did, yep. Look up the Nice 1 & 2 referendums.

Penny Tration · 14-06-2015 05:36PM

MathDebater wrote: »

He said that he got headhunted to come here as he's fluent in both Dutch and English.

For someone who's apparently fluent in English, his written English leaves a lot to be desired. Bit rich to complain about the bad English that other foreign nationals use, given his own show of English here.

Asmooh · 14-06-2015 05:37PM

MathDebater wrote: »

He said that he got headhunted to come here as he's fluent in both Dutch and English.

And Swedish + German

Penny Tration · 14-06-2015 05:38PM

Asmooh wrote: »

Founding members:

The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) was proposed by Robert Schuman in his declaration on 9 May 1950 and involved the pooling of the coal and steel industries of France and West Germany. Half of the project states, Belgium, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands, had already achieved a great degree of integration between themselves with the organs of Benelux and earlier bilateral agreements. These five countries were joined by Italy and they all signed the Treaty of Paris on 23 July 1952. These six members, dubbed the 'inner six'

Says enough?

You have literally ignored what I asked you.

What is so wonderful about you, that you should be allowed into Ireland, but the Poles be kicked out? Why are you better than 120-odd thousand people?

iusedtoknow · 14-06-2015 05:38PM

Asmooh wrote: »

And Swedish + German

do you make as many mistakes in your written Swedish and German as you do with your English?

Asmooh · 14-06-2015 05:40PM

iusedtoknow wrote: »

do you make as many mistakes in your written Swedish and German as you do with your English?

No and I know I should not, but hey.. it's weekend.

Are there any Irish persons left in Ireland?

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