the full marley?

Robsweezie · 11-06-2015 12:24AM #1

listening in on a radio discussion to do with a guy turning up to a fancy dress party dressed as bob marley, complete with dark face paint. And it's been debated as to whether it's racist.

Now, we're aware of the blackface history and it's use in the past (minstrels), taking that into account, has it any bearing on today? is it truly 'racist' to incorporate dark makeup to complete a costume and go for full authenticity?

it was said in the discussion that you'd have to look at the intent, which I agreed with. Turning up with the purposeful intent of causing trouble by opting for the dark makeup is of course racist, but what about just looking for the aforementioned authenticity and completing the look?. perhaps insensitive at it's absolute worst, but if you're doing it for cosmetic and not offensive reasons, what about that? do we just need to get a sense of humour and let go of the shackles of the past?

darkpagandeath · 11-06-2015 12:26AM

Has not been one of these for a while -Gets Popcorn-

NachoBusiness · 11-06-2015 12:27AM

Personally I think it's racist to think it's racist.

It's implying that somehow black / brown skin is offensive in some way when it isn't.

Bongalongherb · 11-06-2015 12:36AM

It's a complement to remembering Bob Marley. I love Bobs music and always did from the early eighties and see no problem with this.

The real problem is the fcuking race-card again and again, it's a true reflection of the amount of idiots in this country, please fcuk-off and do something constructive to your lives instead of the same old crap. Basically get a life, but that probably isn't possible concerning the intelligence of some idiots out there.

The Diabolical Monocle · 11-06-2015 12:42AM

This would have gone out on comedy central or some other us network

or at very least on dvd.

so .... equality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWueXbrRvLQ

harry Bailey esq · 11-06-2015 12:46AM

Some clown started a thread last Halloween because he took umbrige at some some other clown who decided it would be 'original' by donning an SS uniform at a fancy dress.If stuff like that was what kept me awake at night, I'd be a lucky man.

NachoBusiness · 11-06-2015 12:48AM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

The real problem is the fcuking race-card again and again, it's a true reflection of the amount of idiots in this country..

In fairness it's everywhere and hardly ever is it black people that do the moaning. It's always someone getting offended on their behalf. Like when a famous American Hockey player (Raffi Torres) black faced as Jay-Z for a Halloween fancy dress party. Didn't hear Jay-Z complaining or many members even the black community. In the main, yet gain, it was people getting offended for him.

AndonHandon · 11-06-2015 12:48AM

Media sources provide too much airtime to non-issues such as this thereby artificially inflating the event and creating a false impression that, firstly, there is an issue and, secondly, it is as bad as the likes of the Holocaust.

/godwin

él statutorio · 11-06-2015 12:50AM

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

Some clown started a thread last Halloween because he took umbrige at some some other clown who decided it would be 'original' by donning an SS uniform at a fancy dress.If stuff like that was what kept me awake at night, I'd be a lucky man.

An SS uniform is a pretty snappy uniform to be fair.

They might've been genocidal b@stards but dammit, they looked smart while doing it!

passremarkable · 11-06-2015 12:52AM

Fm 104 is it

11-06-2015 12:54AM

Someone I know dressed as Geodie LaForge from Star Trek: The Next Generation, complete with black face paint. It was an absolutely fantastic costume and oh so funny.

darkpagandeath · 11-06-2015 12:59AM

What I don't get is if the person you are portraying has a particular skin tone why that is not considered part of the costume. It's not like dressing up as a minstrel.

harry Bailey esq · 11-06-2015 01:06AM

él statutorio wrote: »

An SS uniform is a pretty snappy uniform to be fair.

They might've been genocidal b@stards but dammit, they looked smart while doing it!

Hugo Boss dont you know...

Cold War Kid · 11-06-2015 01:10AM

Bongalongherb wrote: »

It's a complement to remembering Bob Marley. I love Bobs music and always did from the early eighties

With a username like Bongalongherb, I never would have guessed it.

él statutorio wrote: »

An SS uniform is a pretty snappy uniform to be fair.

Yes, it's quite snazi.

Cold War Kid · 11-06-2015 01:14AM

Probably an argument to be made that those who aren't black cannot fully appreciate the ramifications of it, but all I see it as is emulating a physical trait, like wearing a blonde wig if you don't have blonde hair and want to dress up as someone with blonde hair.

I know people might say skin colour is imbued with so much more etc, but some people only see it as a physical trait, nothing more, no big deal - that's pretty positive I'd have thought.

As for blackface, well isn't intent/context worth bearing in mind? Darkening your skin to look like a famous black person (Bob Marley with white skin would be useless as a costume) has no malicious, subjugating intent; it's literally just an attempt at looking as much like a famous person as possible.

Robsweezie · 11-06-2015 02:34AM

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Personally I think it's racist to think it's racist.

It's implying that somehow black / brown skin is offensive in some way when it isn't.

bang on. funny you should say that, I was thinking the same, racist to think its racist.

a couple of years ago in the London Olympics complaints of racism were made over an advert depicting a monkey was broadcast just after a black athlete had performed . I remember the 'racist to say it's racist' line was brought up and it couldn't be more apt. the complainers themselves were happily making the association between black people and monkeys, so its their own issue really.

the link to story http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/ustv/news/a397409/london-2012-olympics-nbc-forced-to-apologise-after-monkey-commercial.html

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