2015 LC Irish Paper 1 - Higher Level - June 8th

DarraghF197 · 08-06-2015 04:45PM

pandoraj09 wrote: »

What was the gearrsceal anyone please???

I think it was proudness and far away the hills are green.

pandoraj09 · 08-06-2015 04:48PM

Thanks!!!

JimLarkin101 · 08-06-2015 04:49PM

pandoraj09 wrote: »

What was the gearrsceal anyone please???

Pride (Bród)
The grass is always greener on the other side. (Is glas iad na cnoic i bhfad uainn )

Lc2015123 · 08-06-2015 05:03PM

I also done the Education System debate. I always thought in a debate you could agree or disagree, would that be correct?

I mosty disagreed but i did talk about why some people would say it is a good system? Can somebody please clarify before i take a heart attack

Magnate · 08-06-2015 05:06PM

Lc2015123 wrote: »

I also done the Education System debate. I always thought in a debate you could agree or disagree, would that be correct?

I mosty disagreed but i did talk about why some people would say it is a good system? Can somebody please clarify before i take a heart attack

Well first of all it was a talk not a debate, so if you used a debate introduction addressing the opposition etc you're gonna lose your marks for style, but it's only worth 5 marks I believe.

The general consensus seems to be that in a talk/speech you're free to address both sides of the argument, but I would assume that it's also okay to only focus on one.

Lc2015123 · 08-06-2015 05:15PM

Magnate wrote: »

Well first of all it was a talk not a debate, so if you used a debate introduction addressing the opposition etc you're gonna lose your marks for style, but it's only worth 5 marks I believe.

The general consensus seems to be that in a talk/speech you're free to address both sides of the argument, but I would assume that it's also okay to only focus on one.

Thank you for replying so quickly!

I basically started off by saying "dia duit radio na gaeilge, conas ata tu?" And was saying that i have the LC coming up and i think it would be a good idea to talk about it today on the radio. I mostly disagreed with it but kept addressing the listeners, and also gave reasons to why some people would think its a good system but concluded that in my opinion its to academic overall.

It was my first time doing this as i always do the aiste but had a really good aiste for coras oidechais learned off and it didnt come up. Seems i was lucky to get a talk and not a debate because i dont even know the layout. What is the marking scheme for section C

Anonymagician · 08-06-2015 05:18PM

Seems like lots of people didn't realise the flexibility of the scéalta móra. It was a very generous title imo and the education system, health system, terrorism, racism, old people, young people, water charges, politics, media etc could all have been talked about in it!

Magnate · 08-06-2015 05:20PM

Lc2015123 wrote: »

Thank you for replying so quickly!

I basically started off by saying "dia duit radio na gaeilge, conas ata tu?" And was saying that i have the LC coming up and i think it would be a good idea to talk about it today on the radio. I mostly disagreed with it but kept addressing the listeners, and also gave reasons to why some people would think its a good system but concluded that in my opinion its to academic overall.

It was my first time doing this as i always do the aiste but had a really good aiste for coras oidechais learned off and it didnt come up. Seems i was lucky to get a talk and not a debate because i dont even know the layout. What is the marking scheme for section C

The breakdown is 5 marks for the correct format, 15 for staying on task and keeping it relevant to the question then 80 marks for your wealth of Irish, grammar, vocab etc. etc.

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

Lc2015123 · 08-06-2015 05:24PM

Magnate wrote: »

The breakdown is 5 marks for the correct format, 15 for staying on task and keeping it relevant to the question then 80 marks for your wealth of Irish, grammar, vocab etc. etc.

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

Ah crap ðŸ˜‚ thanks a mill for the info. Ill sleep tonight

Lc2015123 · 08-06-2015 05:26PM

Anonymagician wrote: »

Seems like lots of people didn't realise the flexibility of the scéalta móra. It was a very generous title imo and the education system, health system, terrorism, racism, old people, young people, water charges, politics, media etc could all have been talked about in it!

I didnt understand that question which now looking at it makes me sick because if i wasnt so nervous i would have figured it out in a second and could of put 2 A1 essays together. At least i got to use one of them. If i hadn't and came out and heard what the title meant i neber would have gotten over it

DarraghF197 · 08-06-2015 05:38PM

Magnate wrote: »

The breakdown is 5 marks for the correct format, 15 for staying on task and keeping it relevant to the question then 80 marks for your wealth of Irish, grammar, vocab etc. etc.

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

I still wonder how that marking scheme works. I've come up with one way: if one gets relevance of 13/15, and say the Irish standard is 75/80, then the marks you would get for the standard of irish would be 13/15x75/80, which is 65/80.

Otherwise, anyone could write a random essay out and get 85/100 without it being in any way related to the question.

randylonghorn · 08-06-2015 05:52PM

Magnate wrote: »

Also I think it stated that the exams were over in the question, but I wouldn't worry about it I doubt you'd lose any marks.

Yeah, I really doubt they will worry too much about whether people say "with the exams now over" or "as we face into our exams" tbh.

Magnate · 08-06-2015 05:53PM

DarraghF197 wrote: »

I still wonder how that marking scheme works. I've come up with one way: if one gets relevance of 13/15, and say the Irish standard is 75/80, then the marks you would get for the standard of irish would be 13/15x75/80, which is 65/80.

Otherwise, anyone could write a random essay out and get 85/100 without it being in any way related to the question.

I'd assume it works the same way as English, on a tiered marking scheme. So yeah if you only got 5/15 for purpose (33%) I'd say you could get 33 percent of the 80 marks max, (26m)

DarraghF197 · 08-06-2015 06:00PM

Magnate wrote: »

I'd assume it works the same way as English, on a tiered marking scheme. So yeah if you only got 5/15 for purpose (33%) I'd say you could get 33 percent of the 80 marks max, (26m)

Oh yeah, didn't think of English! That does make sense, a lot nicer than my system for sure! Hopefully I won't get docked too much marks for showing both sides of the Education System.

Lc2015123 · 08-06-2015 06:06PM

DarraghF197 wrote: »

Oh yeah, didn't think of English! That does make sense, a lot nicer than my system for sure! Hopefully I won't get docked too much marks for showing both sides of the Education System.

I done the same and was told because it wasnt a debate per say, it was a talk you were open to talk about both sides

Bsd · 08-06-2015 06:06PM

I fully disagreed with oideachais oraid and asked a couple of teachers after and they said thats alright. It an oraid you can agree or disagree as much as you want

Lc2015123 · 08-06-2015 06:09PM

Bsd wrote: »

I fully disagreed with oideachais oraid and asked a couple of teachers after and they said thats alright. It an oraid you can agree or disagree as much as you want

Thank God

Bsd · 08-06-2015 06:14PM

Also people who said they got 0 in the pre for doing that, i fully diagreed in the pre as well with a title almost the exact same and it was an oraid and i got 77

Magnate · 08-06-2015 06:16PM

Bsd wrote: »

Also people who said they got 0 in the pre for doing that, i fully diagreed in the pre as well with a title almost the exact same and it was an oraid and i got 77

Yeah I'd say it was lazy correcting more than anything.

mun_ster45 · 08-06-2015 06:21PM

I did the "scealta mora" question and only wrote about coras oideachais and why it is a big issue in the news today, referring to how it makes the alcohol problem worse amougnst teenagers and how sport is an issue for teenagers because of the C.O. Would I lose many marks? only realised after the exam that it was plural of sceal!!

maude6868 · 08-06-2015 06:39PM

Irish essays are marked ad rem, meaning only what is pertinent and relevant, it's a bit like purpose in English. This is to stop the learned off scealta etc. You are marked on only what is relevant to the title. I would imagine that radio talk could discuss both sides of the topic.