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  • #9002
    whelan2
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Mire surplus bales
    did ya get rain yesterday morning?


  • #9003
    Greengrass1
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    Cows
    reseeds
    grass growing
    and surplus grass all in the one shot
    IyfM0U.jpg


  • #9004
    Greengrass1
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    did ya get rain yesterday morning?

    Yep grass is grand and dry though. Was mowed on thursday


  • #9005
    C0N0R
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    What's the Craic with slurry and urea?? Silage ground got slurry last week how soon can I lamp on urea?


  • #9006
    Deepsouthwest
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    frazzledhome wrote: »
    I was and my dung wasn't right till Thurs :)

    Good old Arthur Guinness can have that effect alright, the black babies we call it around here. Kaolin powder sorts it appara!!


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  • #9007
    Dawggone
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    Blackgrass wrote: »
    Laterals/pivot/rain gun?
    Ball park cost per mm applied?

    Reels/rain gun. Can't get planning permission for pivots because there is too much industry/activity.

    Not being smart but I only have rough costings...circa 20cent/mm.
    That's direct costs. If you were to take into account startup costs from a greenfield site the cost would be astronomical.
    I will have a much more accurate cost analysis by end of year...


  • #9008
    jaymla627
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    Reels/rain gun. Can't get planning permission for pivots because there is too much industry/activity.

    Not being smart but I only have rough costings...circa 20cent/mm.
    That's direct costs. If you were to take into account startup costs from a greenfield site the cost would be astronomical.
    I will have a much more accurate cost analysis by end of year...

    Out in Australia it costs more per hectare to set up a irrigation system then the value of the land, biggest one I came across was a centre pivot that covered 160 acres with a 4 inch pipeline feeding it, took a crazy amount of water once temperatures went over 35 degrees to keep grass growing though


  • #9009
    Dawggone
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    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Out in Australia it costs more per hectare to set up a irrigation system then the value of the land, biggest one I came across was a centre pivot that covered 160 acres with a 4 inch pipeline feeding it, took a crazy amount of water once temperatures went over 35 degrees to keep grass growing though

    Same here. Water more valuable than the land.


  • #9010
    C0N0R
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    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Out in Australia it costs more per hectare to set up a irrigation system then the value of the land, biggest one I came across was a centre pivot that covered 160 acres with a 4 inch pipeline feeding it, took a crazy amount of water once temperatures went over 35 degrees to keep grass growing though

    I assume you mean 160 hectares? That about five spans going 360 degrees? There is a brute of a one in the centre of the South Island New Zealand can't remember how many spans but certainly have come across ones up to 20 spans


  • #9011
    just do it
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    frazzledhome wrote: »
    You don't know the half of it, when you get to late 40's time rips along :)

    Keep thinking I'm not in my forties. ...until I meet lads in their twenties :)


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  • #9012
    jaymla627
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    C0N0R wrote: »
    I assume you mean 160 hectares? That about five spans going 360 degrees? There is a brute of a one in the centre of the South Island New Zealand can't remember how many spans but certainly have come across ones up to 20 spans


    Was 160 acres the water to supply it simply wasn't their over anything other then that block, in a really dry year our drought it wouldn't even be turned on with water going to livestock instead....Australia is a totally different ball game climate wise to new Zealand


  • #9013
    Timmaay
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    What's the market like for June and autumn calving cows anyone know?


  • #9014
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Was browsing through done deal and seen adds posted concerning glanbia and their turn around on requiring farmers to be shared up to avail of support fund seems alot of lads where guaranteed on signing of contract last year no shares would be needed to avail of all glanbia price supports etc with press releases given at the time supporting this seems they have pissed of a good chunk of their suppliers in the northern counties who are now down thousands as opposed to if they had lakeland suppliers our any other co-op for that matter


  • #9015
    Greengrass1
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    Anyone here keep a bull calf or 2 of there own to leave as bulls fir heifers or cows?
    Fed up here called out ai to heifer who I thought was bulling by how she was acting but not bulling at all


  • #9016
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Anyone here keep a bull calf or 2 of there own to leave as bulls fir heifers or cows?
    Fed up here called out ai to heifer who I thought was bulling by how she was acting but not bulling at all

    You'll pick up very good high quality ebi bulls for circa 2000 euro with proven easy calving lines going back generations etc much safer bet then using a bull from your own herd


  • #9017
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,715 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Anyone here keep a bull calf or 2 of there own to leave as bulls fir heifers or cows?
    Fed up here called out ai to heifer who I thought was bulling by how she was acting but not bulling at all

    Also a risk of mothers blood line been too close on some of the heifers he'd be bulling,,also no idea off what calving difficulty would be like.invest in a Hereford or aa bull my advice


  • #9018
    keep going
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,551 ✭✭✭keep going


    frazzledhome wrote: »
    You don't know the half of it, when you get to late 40's time rips along :)

    Children=warph speed


  • #9019
    Greengrass1
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    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Also a risk of mothers blood line been too close on some of the heifers he'd be bulling,,also no idea off what calving difficulty would be like.invest in a Hereford or aa bull my advice

    True it's complicated enough. From talking to lads who buy in bulls alot of lads don't want to disease screen for you if you want to buy. Definitely won't buy anything without being free of the same things as we are here


  • #9020
    Buford T. Justice XIX
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Anyone here keep a bull calf or 2 of there own to leave as bulls fir heifers or cows?
    Fed up here called out ai to heifer who I thought was bulling by how she was acting but not bulling at all
    I noticed a few of the IGA farmers on the summer Dairy tours keeping their own bull calves and running them with their heifers a few time in the last few years.


  • #9021
    Greengrass1
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    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    I noticed a few of the IGA farmers on the summer Dairy tours keeping their own bull calves and running them with their heifers a few time in the last few years.

    It saves alot of expense. If you have a big herd and buy 5/6 bulls to out with cows and heifers 10 k would'nt be long gone


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  • #9022
    Timmaay
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    keep going wrote: »
    Children=warph speed

    Dairy farming = warp speed. If anyone asked me during the spring what work I do or what is my job I say midwife for 80 cows ha.


  • #9023
    Milked out
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    The vasectomised bull here is a autumn born calf I kept. Could be an option for u. Vasectomise him early and then put him in with a stronger bunch of stock to keep manners on him as he grows.


  • #9024
    Greengrass1
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    Milked out wrote: »
    The vasectomised bull here is a autumn born calf I kept. Could be an option for u. Vasectomise him early and then put him in with a stronger bunch of stock to keep manners on him as he grows.

    Is he from autumn 14?
    Had a je bull but dad squeezed him
    How young can you vasectomise them?


  • #9025
    howdee
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    Keep my own bulls here and castrate them after the season. They are only used for tidying up after ai so I can't see the point in spend bigish money on a bull that will bull less then 10% of the herd.
    If I ran a bull full time that would be a different story.


  • #9026
    Milked out
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    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Is he from autumn 14?
    Had a je bull but dad squeezed him
    How young can you vasectomise them?

    I have an autumn 14 one to replace this one as he will be 3 yrs old in oct and I think the younger they are they seem to do more following. I think the vet here said you can do em at 6 months, haven't this fella done yet, no harm to test to make sure he.s done right 6 weeks later. You could make it part of deal with vet to include a test maybe. Autumn bulls would be that bit stronger for the following summer so more likely to get thru to end of season. Just remember first sign of him turning wicked get rid up the ramp, if any doubt there is no doubt with bulls in my book anyways


  • #9027
    Greengrass1
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    Milked out wrote: »
    I have an autumn 14 one to replace this one as he will be 3 yrs old in oct and I think the younger they are they seem to do more following. I think the vet here said you can do em at 6 months, haven't this fella done yet, no harm to test to make sure he.s done right 6 weeks later. You could make it part of deal with vet to include a test maybe. Autumn bulls would be that bit stronger for the following summer so more likely to get thru to end of season. Just remember first sign of him turning wicked get rid up the ramp, if any doubt there is no doubt with bulls in my book anyways

    Having somewhere to put them away from heifers fir winter is our only problem


  • #9028
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    Greengrass1 wrote: »
    Having somewhere to put them away from heifers fir winter is our only problem

    Once he has been snipped you could leave him in with some in calf stock or with a few cull cows or something. The idea of keeping a calf every year and replacing him with a new one is also that you will be holding a young bull over the winter as opposed to an older larger bull and so lower any chances of him mounting cows inside and hurting em.


  • #9029
    jaymla627
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    howdee wrote: »
    Keep my own bulls here and castrate them after the season. They are only used for tidying up after ai so I can't see the point in spend bigish money on a bull that will bull less then 10% of the herd.
    If I ran a bull full time that would be a different story.

    All well and good if your achieving excellent results to ai but the vast majority of lads wouldnt be achieving anywhere near 90% of cows to ai, have a very good stock bull here that's after being very lucky in his third year and has already left 40 heifer calves behind him, cost 2,500 the first day and has more then payed this back


  • #9030
    mf240
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    Wouldnt be to keen on friesan bulls they can be very agressive.


    You could be better with a whitehead and ai for an extra three weeks if you want extra replacments.

    Calves after your own calves could be hit and miss imo. Plus a bit of inbreeding is going to be unavoidable.


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  • #9031
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,128 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    mf240 wrote: »
    Wouldnt be to keen on friesan bulls they can be very agressive.


    You could be better with a whitehead and ai for an extra three weeks if you want extra replacments.

    Calves after your own calves could be hit and miss imo. Plus a bit of inbreeding is going to be unavoidable.

    The inbreeding bit is fairly relavant too with buying in the amount of Oman and shottle that's throughout ai sires is staggering getting harder and harder to find good out crosses every year


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