Cork GAA Discussion Thread

youngbob wrote: »

Just because you respect a journalist doesn't mean you should agree with everything he or she says. If that was the case newspapers would only employ 1 sportswriter. If you read only one writer you get a narrow view of any story. every writer has their own slant on things and he or she will lean to that cause, that doesn't mean they are ALWAYS right

Totally agree with that one hundred and ten per cent

youngbob wrote: »

Just because you respect a journalist doesn't mean you should agree with everything he or she says. If that was the case newspapers would only employ 1 sportswriter. If you read only one writer you get a narrow view of any story. every writer has their own slant on things and he or she will lean to that cause, that doesn't mean they are ALWAYS right

Of course
It was the question of anti cork bias Anniyed me

Enda McEvoy is award winning GAA journalist and his opinions and views would be well respected
Even if hes from Kilkenny
Ive never read him and taught he was putting a spin on something

I dont think he posts here

I'm going to pub now for more 'debate'

Hurleratheart wrote: »

Same applies to posters here to ��

That is all except Talkstomuch1, he's infallible, always right.

He's the Holiness of Cork hurling!

All kneel and pray at his altar as he preaches his gospel.

For this game tomorrow, the start is the critical thing in my view.Lately, Cork have a habit of starting very slowly. They even have this habit of getting a quick point, looking like they settled and then not scoring for ages.

If you see this happen then its going to be a dogfight until the very last second. If Cork get going straight away then I think they will win. Not easily but easier than people think.I am still not convinced by Waterford.If Cork get a goal then Cork will win.

The great save from Stephen O'Keefe was critical in the league final.I think if this went in we would have won the game.It deflated us and inflated Waterford. We need to be like Kilkenny when if they miss the first chance they keep going until the sliothar goes into the net!



Couple that with Lehane hitting the crossbar then the outcome could be very different. I had said before that game too, one goal will propel this Cork team to victory. I just think that Waterford are like a bubble that need to be burst and once we have a bit of a lead they will crumble. I am not sure why I think this but it could be just a confidence issue.

Cork have the same problem too though. When they didnt get that goal things went off the rails.I am still not sure were they killing themselves in that final. Against Dublin they looked like the league meant everything but to me it looked like they werent killing themselves against Waterford. It could be that I just want that to be true though.I have relatives in Tipperary who thought they didnt want to show their hand too.Its hard to know.

At the end of the day unless we are in the Cork dressing room we dont know for sure.I would hope that they were holding off until Championship and if Cork wins tomorrow no one will remember the league final and JBM is a genius! If we lose then it will be easy to say sure didnt this happen already.

Theres 2 ways of looking at Brian Murphy being recalled. Its either the thinking that we are so bad we need a guy to come back or that we have everything else and he is the last piece of the puzzle that could be vital.As I think Cork arent that far off from things all clicking then I hope that is the latter!

My gut tells me that Cork will win this. I see it like Galway and Dublin today except Waterford wont be as bad as Dublin were.If we get going straight away I would be very confident.If Waterford get a bit ahead, I think they are perfectly designed to lead the match but not coming from behind. Even if ahead I still think they can be caught if we get a goal whereas I dont think they can catch us if we get a lead.

So the wind/coin toss could be vital too in this. Get a lead and I see us holding it.

Like others here, Patrick Horgan sometimes makes me mad but at the end of the day if we have a free to win it I would want to see him standing over it so thats why he is so valuable. He reminds me of me when I played. If the first shot missed then my confidence would be badly affected and would play on my mind. Once he gets going he is off to the races but some matches it seems like he is the invisible man. Obviously the confidence issue is the only thing I have in common with a great player like him!! The regular Waterford free taker Pauric O'Mahony being out is a big loss as he pings them over from all angles.

Of course I could be talking a load of bollocks here but I am confident about this game.I think Cork need a big performance to make this team believe in itself and I hope and think we will get it.

The White Feather wrote: »

For this game tomorrow, the start is the critical thing in my view.Lately, Cork have a habit of starting very slowly. They even have this habit of getting a quick point, looking like they settled and then not scoring for ages.

If you see this happen then its going to be a dogfight until the very last second. If Cork get going straight away then I think they will win. Not easily but easier than people think.I am still not convinced by Waterford.If Cork get a goal then Cork will win.

The great save from Stephen O'Keefe was critical in the league final.I think if this went in we would have won the game.It deflated us and inflated Waterford. We need to be like Kilkenny when if they miss the first chance they keep going until the sliothar goes into the net!



Couple that with Lehane hitting the crossbar then the outcome could be very different. I had said before that game too, one goal will propel this Cork team to victory. I just think that Waterford are like a bubble that need to be burst and once we have a bit of a lead they will crumble. I am not sure why I think this but it could be just a confidence issue.

Cork have the same problem too though. When they didnt get that goal things went off the rails.I am still not sure were they killing themselves in that final. Against Dublin they looked like the league meant everything but to me it looked like they werent killing themselves against Waterford. It could be that I just want that to be true though.I have relatives in Tipperary who thought they didnt want to show their hand too.Its hard to know.

At the end of the day unless we are in the Cork dressing room we dont know for sure.I would hope that they were holding off until Championship and if Cork wins tomorrow no one will remember the league final and JBM is a genius! If we lose then it will be easy to say sure didnt this happen already.

Theres 2 ways of looking at Brian Murphy being recalled. Its either the thinking that we are so bad we need a guy to come back or that we have everything else and he is the last piece of the puzzle that could be vital.As I think Cork arent that far off from things all clicking then I hope that is the latter!

My gut tells me that Cork will win this. I see it like Galway and Dublin today except Waterford wont be as bad as Dublin were.If we get going straight away I would be very confident.If Waterford get a bit ahead, I think they are perfectly designed to lead the match but not coming from behind. Even if ahead I still think they can be caught if we get a goal whereas I dont think they can catch us if we get a lead.

So the wind/coin toss could be vital too in this. Get a lead and I see us holding it.

Like others here, Patrick Horgan sometimes makes me mad but at the end of the day if we have a free to win it I would want to see him standing over it so thats why he is so valuable. He reminds me of me when I played. If the first shot missed then my confidence would be badly affected and would play on my mind. Once he gets going he is off to the races but some matches it seems like he is the invisible man. Obviously the confidence issue is the only thing I have in common with a great player like him!! The regular Waterford free taker Pauric O'Mahony being out is a big loss as he pings them over from all angles.

Of course I could be talking a load of bollocks here but I am confident about this game.I think Cork need a big performance to make this team believe in itself and I hope and think we will get it.

There's an awful lot of truth in what you said there.

All jokes aside and leaving the banter out of it I think Cork will have a bit too much for us tomorrow. This is not playing the poor mouth.

I just think that Cork will be totally focussed tomorrow and will win with a bit to spare. Something in the region of six points.

Our young lads are going to get a few harsh lessons in the next year and I have a feeling tomorrow may be one of those.

Alf Tupper wrote: »

There's an awful lot of truth in what you said there.

All jokes aside and leaving the banter out of it I think Cork will have a bit too much for us tomorrow. This is not playing the poor mouth.

I just think that Cork will be totally focussed tomorrow and will win with a bit to spare. Something in the region of six points.

Our young lads are going to get a few harsh lessons in the next year and I have a feeling tomorrow may be one of those.

Always an emerging team some how always seem vulnerable in these types of games and that's cork hope in Waterford are expected to win and cork did do a similar scenario v clsre in very similar scenario two years ago
The one crucial difference then was harnedy man of the match display when a star was born
Cork don't have that tommorrow
Geuinely believe waterford to win but I hope to be wrong

Has Munster lost it's lustre?

Well yes, a bit, maybe more. We all know it. Attendances are down, intensity is down and value, evidently. That's not to mention the helicopters at the Greyhound stadium or even the exhausted mini bus. It is something I alluded to before the League Final that a cup was on offer and that's that.
We are in Munster every year. A trophy is seldom on offer and for someone who braves the winter chill or even the chill of last weekend, I love being at, and winning Finals. The League Cup was won from Kilkenny, not at any stage against but from, which is good enough. Kilkenny aren't in Munster but it is still important because winning is important if nothing else. Kilkenny had no problem winning as let's say Cork from July 2004 til September 2006.

The Qualifier system started in 2002. Since then 4 All Ireland have gone to Munster teams and 9 to Kilkenny. Those four teams all had very different Munster Championships;

Cork 2004 lost in the Munster Final
Cork 2005 won Munster
Tipp 2010 lost Munster QF (beaten by Cork btw)
Clare 2013 lost Munster Semi Final (beaten by Cork btw)

It's hard to take a preferred route from that. I mean it doesn't seem to matter. On Closer look the strike rate is; 1/13 for Munster Champions, 1/13 for the Munster Finalists and actually 2/39 for Munster teams who went through the qualifier route. The last stat depends on the fact that sometimes Munsters teams weren't very good, still it show that it's much of a muchness on which way you get out of the province.

The failure of Munster Champion teams are various but it is mainly due to the fact that Antrim don't await in semi final or London as Limerick had in 1973. It's the modern way.
The factors of failure have been;
The Summer hype, an additional QF game, a lack of home comforts, Kilkenny or a sharpened qualifier.

From the perspective of my own County, our life as Munster Champions:
2002 v Clare
Probably hype but also a seasoned team in fairness
2004 v Kilkenny
No Mullane and the flight to Dublin cancelled and eh Kilkenny
2007 v Cork
Actually got through this but not in 70 mins always up against the calender then.
2010 v Tipp
Not good enough, Tipp sharpened.

The Munster Final of 2004 has cult status in Waterford. It was epic. It is inspiring. All the minor/schools all ireland winners of recent times in Waterford reference that game. It is the well that kept us going. Funny enough that Ken McGrath would only lift the cup with one hand after all that. Not so funny was the fact that Cork won the All Ireland after.

The bottom line is 9 teams want to get to August and winning Munster is the direct route, an modh direach. Winning Leinster is probably a more direct route but let's park that for now.

Winning is important today. It may not be for either team after but when the game starts it is all about winning, even if it's the next ball.

thinkstoomuch1 wrote: »

Always an emerging team some how always seem vulnerable in these types of games and that's cork hope in Waterford are expected to win and cork did do a similar scenario v clsre in very similar scenario two years ago
The one crucial difference then was harnedy man of the match display when a star was born
Cork don't have that tommorrow
Geuinely believe waterford to win but I hope to be wrong

That is why Lehane and HorgAn need to bring the magic

Good piece in echo from considine

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/the-considine-column-horgan-and-lehane-cant-go-hiding/

cork by 2

Weather seems perfect for hurling. Hopefully a good crowd going, can't see 30000 but should be good atmosphere.

Galway showed yesterday that a week in hurling is a long time so Im not reading to much into league final that was 5 weeks ago. All this argument over who is going to win is nonsense, it's all down to who turns up on the day and which team can inflict their game plan better than the others any of the top 8 teams can beat each other on the day.

Hurleratheart wrote: »

That is why Lehane and HorgAn need to bring the magic

Good piece in echo from considine

http://www.eveningecho.ie/sport/the-considine-column-horgan-and-lehane-cant-go-hiding/

cork by 2

Very good piece I agree an excellent read and he's right with lehane and more so horgan
Horgan needs to do the bread and butter wotkrate wise
Thurles is a special day and is the bread and butter to a sense in its truly a special place and the imo field of dreams
Best of luck to both cork teams and hopefully I'll be wrong on both games and cork will win
Be huge win for intermediate team with new team and the senior to win with so many injury

I think TTM called this a while back.

Pa Cronin in for Seamus Harnedy

Intermediate result was Cork 0-27 Waterford 1-16

The White Feather wrote: »

I think TTM called this a while back.

Pa Cronin in for Seamus Harnedy

Intermediate result was Cork 0-27 Waterford 1-16

Thank for pointing that out as others wouldn't
I did and amount nonsense levelled st me was unfair in i was told I was just talking poor old mouth