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  • 29-05-2015 12:04am
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    SILVAMAN
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    curious to know the meaning of the irish word "sonnaigh", as in the townland Coill an tsonnaigh. Thanks


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    feargale
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    SILVAMAN wrote: »
    curious to know the meaning of the irish word "sonnaigh", as in the townland Coill an tsonnaigh. Thanks

    Fox. The wood of the fox.


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    SILVAMAN
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    Thanks


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    feargale
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    SILVAMAN wrote: »
    Thanks

    On second thoughts I'm not so sure. Fox would more correctly be sionnach/sionnaigh. Maybe, maybe not.


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    SILVAMAN
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    feargale wrote: »
    On second thoughts I'm not so sure. Fox would more correctly be sionnach/sionnaigh. Maybe, maybe not.

    initially I thought it was fox but my Irish being rusty thought it might be old irish-just a couple of townlands Kyleatunna and Knockatunna side by side wondered what they might have in common:confused:

    just found this http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/frost/appendix7_k.htm

    refers to a milking place, as does "booley"


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    Gumbi
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    Sionnaigh is the genitive case of sionnach (fox).

    Coill an tsionnaigh = Wood of the fox. ie fox's wood


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    Gumbi
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    Sionnaigh is the genitive case of sionnach (fox).

    Coill an tsionnaigh = Wood of the fox. ie fox's wood


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    dubhthach
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    http://www.logainm.ie/ga/6312?s=Coill+an+tsonnaigh

    I'm assuming that's the townland you are talking about.

    Dineen has:
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    SONNACH
    -AIGH, {plural} {idem} and -AIGHE, {masculine} coll, stakes or pales;
    a palisade or bulwark;
    {also, alias} wall or mound ({superlative}});
    {figuratively} protection, defence, a protector;
    SONNACH DAIOGEAN CLÁIR, a firm bretasche of boards;
    SONNACH UMHAIDHE, a brazen paling;
    SONNACH IARNAIDHE AR GACH MÚS. an iron chevaux-de-frise on each wall.
    ---

    Check out page 458 in following book (linked) for the townland mentioned in Logainm, that would imply that Dineen is right.
    https://archive.org/stream/irishnamesofplac03joycuoft#page/458/mode/2up

    I had a look in eDIL and I see following:

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    sonnach
    Forms: tsonnaig; sonduch; sondaigi;
    Meaning: an enclosure, palisade (of wood, metal, or stone):;
    DIL 2012 S 345.34
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    sonnach o,m. (? orig. n.) (2 sonn ) ns. in s.€, TFerbe 237 . gs. in tsonnaig, 236. ds sonduch, BB 490b11 . np. sondaigi, Snedgus u. Mac R. 31.12 . an enclosure, palisade (of wood, metal, or stone): s.€ .i. bábhun, O´Cl. insi n-ailli ┐ s.€ umaide tara medón, LU 1727 . s.€ íarn for cach múr | forsin bátár nóe cend, 9384. sondach ednen, IT iii 84.1 . sondach leacdha, RC ix 470.4 . ro saig C. . . . co mbátar fri cnes in tṡonnaig, TFerbe 236 . dochuaid cách na irchomair dar sond abdain (dar sondaigibh sitharda, v.l.) in dunaid immach, TBC 1034 . for sonnachaib ┐ dumaib ┐ chnoccaib togla an denna, TTr.² 1864 . coem in dúnad . . . a shondach ba sáll, Aisl. MC 37.11 . pīolāit . . . ┐ sunnach íarnaidhe ina tiomchioll, Feis TC 925 . co n-dernsat m-buailid m-bodbdai do ṡondaigib sciath . . . dianechtar chatha, Alex. 242 = do sonduch sciath, BB 490b11 . Of a hero: s.€ suairc nach dubh re deoraidh, Ó Bruad. iii 188.3 .
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    in edil you can see Old Irish form "in tsonnaig" (in = an)


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