6% increase in farm income and other propaganda

mossleycnoc · 26-05-2015 7:03pm #1

Firstly, I'm not a farmer but was brought up on one and realise that its hard work and none too profitable. However, I am seething after watching RTE News that is claiming average income is up 6% with Dairy Farmers earning an average of 69,000 Euros and average subsidies 19,000. The fact that less than 20% of farmers earned 50,000 or more suggests that RTE and Teagasc are spinning mean averages and not understanding the median- in short: rather a bit of propaganda and spin going on.

Am I alone in getting fed up of RTE non-news.

freedominacup · 26-05-2015 8:08pm

mossleycnoc wrote: »

Firstly, I'm not a farmer but was brought up on one and realise that its hard work and none too profitable. However, I am seething after watching RTE News that is claiming average income is up 6% with Dairy Farmers earning an average of 69,000 Euros and average subsidies 19,000. The fact that less than 20% of farmers earned 50,000 or more suggests that RTE and Teagasc are spinning mean averages and not understanding the median- in short: rather a bit of propaganda and spin going on.

Am I alone in getting fed up of RTE non-news.

RTE are a long way from the only non-news news organisation reporting on agri news.

Dawggone · 26-05-2015 8:36pm

RTÉ are a semi-state body...he who pays the piper...
Is there an election coming up??

Look how farmers have prospered during 'our' time in power!!...

Likewise will Newstalk ever stop going on about DOB and Siteserv?

Funny, a 'national treasure' passed away yesterday (a man I enjoyed and respected!) who had a very successful PR company resulting from his position in the State Broadcaster...

I'm hearing that DOB's Topaz will win the tender for the motorway service station contracts...

Same old Shyte!

Nekarsulm · 26-05-2015 8:59pm

Dawggone wrote: »

RTÉ are a semi-state body...he who pays the piper...
Is there an election coming up??
Look how farmers have prospered during 'our' time in power!!...

Likewise will Newstalk ever stop going on about DOB and Siteserv?

Funny, a 'national treasure' passed away yesterday (a man I enjoyed and respected!) who had a very successful PR company resulting from his position in the State Broadcaster...

I'm hearing that DOB's Topaz will win the tender for the motorway service station contracts...

Same old Shyte!

Either him, or Larry Goodman's gossoon/garson

kowtow · 26-05-2015 9:00pm

Dawggone wrote: »

RTÉ are a semi-state body...he who pays the piper...

Funny, a 'national treasure' passed away yesterday (a man I enjoyed and respected!) who had a very successful PR company resulting from his position in the State Broadcaster...

I'm hearing that DOB's Topaz will win the tender for the motorway service station contracts...

Same old Shyte!

So the national treasures took the national treasure?

Best summary of the Irish economy I ever heard.

Base price · 26-05-2015 9:01pm

Dawggone wrote: »

RTÉ are a semi-state body...he who pays the piper...
Is there an election coming up??
Look how farmers have prospered during 'our' time in power!!...

Likewise will Newstalk ever stop going on about DOB and Siteserv?

Funny, a 'national treasure' passed away yesterday (a man I enjoyed and respected!) who had a very successful PR company resulting from his position in the State Broadcaster...

I'm hearing that DOB's Topaz will win the tender for the motorway service station contracts...

Same old Shyte!

I heard that Applegreen (& Co) had that nod

Dawggone · 26-05-2015 9:02pm

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Either him, or Larry Goodman's gossoon.

Geldof's Boomtown Rats had a song about that kind of thing...:)

Nekarsulm · 26-05-2015 9:03pm

Base price wrote: »

I heard that Applegreen (& Co) had that nod

I rest my case. :rolleyes:

Dawggone · 26-05-2015 9:04pm

Base price wrote: »

I heard that Applegreen (& Co) had that nod

Wanna bet?
Who's in power?

Bellview · 26-05-2015 11:57pm

Pity Teagasc did not consider that they should be independent representing farmers rather than selling themselves out to private entities and then recommending to farmers the results are best practise...as it suits the piper

Suckler · 27-05-2015 7:52am

mossleycnoc wrote: »

Firstly, I'm not a farmer but was brought up on one and realise that its hard work and none too profitable.

If a business, and farming is a business, is not profitable then it should cease operating. Plenty of companies across a wide spectrum of sectors experience peaks and troughs (excuse the pun) but if a farm is constantly not performing financially, sell it and move on. Nobody owe's a farmer a living.

Sam Kade · 27-05-2015 9:19am

Suckler wrote: »

If a business, and farming is a business, is not profitable then it should cease operating. Plenty of companies across a wide spectrum of sectors experience peaks and troughs (excuse the pun) but if a farm is constantly not performing financially, sell it and move on. Nobody owe's a farmer a living.

Hold your high horse there a minute preacher he said not too profitable he never said not making a profit or constantly losing money.

enricoh · 27-05-2015 9:24am

The trade unions that run rte probably thought it'd help show that everyone is flying again and add another string to their bow when they are in tough negotiations with that ex trade unionist howlin in a week or two!

kowtow · 27-05-2015 10:43am

Suckler wrote: »

If a business ..... is not profitable then it should cease operating.

Unless it is a bank, presumably.

Dawggone · 27-05-2015 10:57am

kowtow wrote: »

Unless it is a bank, presumably.

Too big to fail.

Muckit · 27-05-2015 11:17am

kowtow wrote: »

Unless it is a bank, presumably.

'Spring' 2013 a lot of farmers could a done with a 'bale out'

Connemara Farmer · 27-05-2015 11:18am

I didn't catch the full interview but there was a Teagasc guy on radio yesterday evening basically hoping that a recovering economy would provide off farm jobs for farmers. I genuinely found that a quite sad state of affairs coming from a farm advisory body. More creative thinking and marketing required, it looks pretty obvious there's a lot wrong.

Suckler · 27-05-2015 11:27am

Sam Kade wrote: »

Hold your high horse there a minute preacher he said not too profitable he never said not making a profit or constantly losing money.

Yes but if he's not happy with the income from small farms are making same applies. The 6% increase may be a bit simplistic but to portray it as propaganda is nonsense - most small farms not making as much as big farms - so what?

kowtow wrote: »

Unless it is a bank, presumably.

It's like Del boy said to Rodney & Mickey Pierce when he flogged them a heap of knackered old engines -
"Find yourself a couple of wallys with cash on the hip"

If you can find an "investor" ready and willing to pump a couple of million in to a black hole of a farm you'd have the pen out sharp enough.

Dawggone · 27-05-2015 11:32am

Connemara Farmer wrote: »

I didn't catch the full interview but there was a Teagasc guy on radio yesterday evening basically hoping that a recovering economy would provide off farm jobs for farmers. I genuinely found that a quite sad state of affairs coming from a farm advisory body. More creative thinking and marketing required, it looks pretty obvious there's a lot wrong.

It would be a good start if Kenny and Noonan called in all the large food retailers and 'suggested' that they source all produce locally.
It's been done in other countries.

ganmo · 27-05-2015 12:16pm

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irelands-average-farmer-revealed/

Sheep farmer incomes were also up, 24%, but from a significantly low base

Nice to know I'm not average though

bogman_bass · 27-05-2015 12:29pm

mossleycnoc wrote: »

Firstly, I'm not a farmer but was brought up on one and realise that its hard work and none too profitable. However, I am seething after watching RTE News that is claiming average income is up 6% with Dairy Farmers earning an average of 69,000 Euros and average subsidies 19,000. The fact that less than 20% of farmers earned 50,000 or more suggests that RTE and Teagasc are spinning mean averages and not understanding the median- in short: rather a bit of propaganda and spin going on.

Am I alone in getting fed up of RTE non-news.

Am I missing something here? What exactly are you annoyed about?

Deepsouthwest · 27-05-2015 1:08pm

Dawggone wrote: »

It would be a good start if Kenny and Noonan called in all the large food retailers and 'suggested' that they source all produce locally.
It's been done in other countries.

Super suggestion Dawg

joejobrien · 28-05-2015 9:38am

Dawggone wrote: »

It would be a good start if Kenny and Noonan called in all the large food retailers and 'suggested' that they source all produce locally.
It's been done in other countries.

What has been the impact of this,in other countries, Dawn?
Then there competition athurority todeal with:D, then .......succumb to the high shelf im afraid. There isnt much will on that side. Perhaps if private enterprise was allowed ,:(it maybe different?

kowtow · 28-05-2015 11:22am

joejobrien wrote: »

What has been the impact of this,in other countries, Dawn?
Then there competition athurority todeal with:D, then .......succumb to the high shelf im afraid. There isnt much will on that side. Perhaps if private enterprise was allowed ,:(it maybe different?

One thing which always impressed me in Switzerland was that even the larger supermarket chains - migros and co-op - always carried the local village produce (milk, cheese, sausage etc.) alongside / in front of the "national" packaged brands. When I enquired, the reason for *not* doing this, in the UK at least, was the complex logistics of running a supermarket with central distribution depots etc. at motorway hubs.

Which begins to look like a lame excuse when you consider that the Swiss supermarkets I am thinking of are 1100 odd metres above sea level, on the wrong side of mountain passes which are covered in snow for five months of every year.

Strikes me that supervalu do a good job of this in Ireland, the others not so much.

Dawggone · 28-05-2015 12:20pm

joejobrien wrote: »

What has been the impact of this,in other countries, Dawn?
Then there competition athurority todeal with:D, then .......succumb to the high shelf im afraid. There isnt much will on that side. Perhaps if private enterprise was allowed ,:(it maybe different?

It's the policy of the major supermarkets in France.
Carrefour/SuperU/HyperU/Intermarché/LeClerc etc all have a policy of sourcing products from within a 50km radius. It cannot be legislated because of free trade agreements within the Eu.
Government brought in all the major players a few years back and strongly suggested that they source locally.

Works brilliantly for all food producers.
Farmers don't have to compete with chicken from Thailand etc etc.

joejobrien · 28-05-2015 7:32pm

kowtow wrote: »

One thing which always impressed me in Switzerland was that even the larger supermarket chains - migros and co-op - always carried the local village produce (milk, cheese, sausage etc.) alongside / in front of the "national" packaged brands. When I enquired, the reason for *not* doing this, in the UK at least, was the complex logistics of running a supermarket with central distribution depots etc. at motorway hubs.

Which begins to look like a lame excuse when you consider that the Swiss supermarkets I am thinking of are 1100 odd metres above sea level, on the wrong side of mountain passes which are covered in snow for five months of every year.

Strikes me that supervalu do a good job of this in Ireland, the others not so much.

Top class answer.
That proves my point exactly that its our gob****e :(that run this country

joejobrien · 28-05-2015 7:35pm

Dawggone wrote: »

It's the policy of the major supermarkets in France.
Carrefour/SuperU/HyperU/Intermarché/LeClerc etc all have a policy of sourcing products from within a 50km radius. It cannot be legislated because of free trade agreements within the Eu.
Government brought in all the major players a few years back and strongly suggested that they source locally.

Works brilliantly for all food producers.
Farmers don't have to compete with chicken from Thailand etc etc.

Great to see some real forward thinking business stragety been used.
If only a bit of same would apply here.:rolleyes:

Dawggone · 28-05-2015 8:14pm

joejobrien wrote: »

Great to see some real forward thinking business stragety been used.
If only a bit of same would apply here.:rolleyes:

Afraid to say that big business runs Ireland.
Great to see that DOB was getting money from IBRC for 1.5% on a 'verbal' agreement.

Rotten to the core!

rangler1 · 28-05-2015 8:40pm

Dawggone wrote: »

It's the policy of the major supermarkets in France.
Carrefour/SuperU/HyperU/Intermarché/LeClerc etc all have a policy of sourcing products from within a 50km radius. It cannot be legislated because of free trade agreements within the Eu.
Government brought in all the major players a few years back and strongly suggested that they source locally.

Works brilliantly for all food producers.
Farmers don't have to compete with chicken from Thailand etc etc.

Right ...that's 20% of our produce sorted....what do we do with the other 80% if everyone wants to source product locally.
What percentage of Frances production has to be exported...unlikely to be 80%

Dawggone · 28-05-2015 8:52pm

rangler1 wrote: »

Right ...that's 20% of our produce sorted....what do we do with the other 80% if everyone wants to source product locally.
What percentage of Frances production has to be exported...unlikely to be 80%

I've no idea rangler, but it's a good start, wouldn't you think?
I'm thinking that if Irish retailers supported local it would create openings for the smaller farms and increase production from rural Ireland.

Btw France would be a fairly big exporter of commodities and a big player in processed foods.

My post was in reply to Commemara farmer....

Bullocks · 28-05-2015 8:56pm

Dawggone wrote: »

I've no idea rangler, but it's a good start, wouldn't you think?
I'm thinking that if Irish retailers supported local it would create openings for the smaller farms and increase production from rural Ireland.

Btw France would be a fairly big exporter of commodities and a big player in processed foods.

My post was in reply to Commemara farmer....

Is there a benefit with carbon footprint aswell by having more local produce used by supermarkets or does that come into it ?

6% increase in farm income and other propaganda

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