Public sector pay increase

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 07:49PM

To Elland Back wrote: »

Ah bless, the public service workers, with their preserved employment and benefits saved the country all on their own

Your condescending tone is duly noted.

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 07:51PM

cocoman wrote: »

I wouldn't exactly say a Clerical Officer starting on €21k (rising to €32k after 11 years) is a crazy high level.

You mean a secretary basically a person who helps another person ? 21k for that is pretty decent. And if they came in on that wage how will it be restored to something higher ? 403 euro a week for doing menial work is very decent.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 07:54PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

You mean a secretary basically a person who helps another person ? 21k for that is pretty decent. And if they came in on that wage how will it be restored to something higher ?

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Yes, we're all secretaries.

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 07:59PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Yes, we're all secretaries.

If yor are a Clerical officer then yes. Private sector what I'm looking at is starting from 15k up to 25 so 21k is very decent.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:00PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

If yor are a Clerical officer then yes. Private sector what I'm looking at is starting from 15k up to 25 so 21k is very decent.

I like you. You make me laugh.

mikemac1 · 28-05-2015 08:00PM

A clerical officer who gets 31k for basic admin tasks may be overpaid

An auditor in Revenue who does amazing work and be on 70k may be underpaid for the value they bring.

I don't know if PDMS will identify the best but wouldn't it be fairer to reward the best staff instead of all the lowest paid staff?

If you are working for years even decades and you have never succeeded or attempted promotion whose fault is it that you are stuck on a clerical officer pay grade.

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 08:05PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

I like you. You make me laugh.

So do you, Can you outline how the role of clerical officer has changed ?

Clerical Officers may be engaged in drafting letters, asking for or giving factual information, making and checking calculations, analysing reports, preparing, scrutinising and verifying documents, statistics, records, etc. They may also be engaged in operating office equipment such as computer terminals, photocopiers and fax machines etc. They may deal with enquiries at a reception desk and answer telephone calls.

from

http://www.careersportal.ie/careers/detail.php?job_id=95#.VWdm1EbaLSs

Private sector start from about 15k and up

To Elland Back · 28-05-2015 08:08PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

Your condescending tone is duly noted.

Ah, thanks

niallo27 · 28-05-2015 08:09PM

cocoman wrote: »

I wouldn't exactly say a Clerical Officer starting on €21k (rising to €32k after 11 years) is a crazy high level.

Clerical staff are getting 32k. ****en hell. No wonder we are ****ed. I have family in the public service and believe me I know how little the majority do. Still who are the fools I'm the one in the private sector breaking my balls for a bit over what clerical staff get.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:11PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So do you, Can you outline how the role of clerical officer has changed ?

from

http://www.careersportal.ie/careers/detail.php?job_id=95#.VWdm1EbaLSs

Private sector start from about 15k and up

Let me see.

File my nails
Chat about the Soaps
Read Hello and OK
Get coffee for the boss
Ringing all my mates

Seriously! A 'secretary's' work is never done.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Clerical staff are getting 32k. ****en hell. No wonder we are ****ed. I have family in the public service and believe me I know how little the majority do. Still who are the fools I'm the one in the private sector breaking my balls for a bit over what clerical staff get.

You had an opportunity to apply last year. Fail the entrance exam?

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 08:14PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

Let me see.

File my nails
Chat about the Soaps
Read Hello and OK
Get coffee for the boss
Ringing all my mates

Seriously! A 'secretary's' work is never done.

Cool so any justification of starting at 21k vs as low as 15k in the private sector ?

niallo27 · 28-05-2015 08:16PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

You had an opportunity to apply last year. Fail the entrance exam?

Was their jobs. What kind.

niallo27 · 28-05-2015 08:16PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

Let me see.

File my nails
Chat about the Soaps
Read Hello and OK
Get coffee for the boss
Ringing all my mates

Seriously! A 'secretary's' work is never done.

Not sure if your joking or not.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:17PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Cool so any justification of starting at 21k vs as low as 15k in the private sector ?

My Prada handbag didn't pay for itself you know. Us leeches on the taxpayer demand quality.

niallo27 · 28-05-2015 08:17PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

My Prada handbag didn't pay for itself you know. Us leeches on the taxpayer demand quality.

Is the time off for Christmas shopping gone or is it still there.

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 08:18PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

My Prada handbag didn't pay for itself you know. Us leeches on the taxpayer demand quality.

Did not say leeches said over paid. Again any justification for the 21k starting vs as low as 15 in the private sector ?

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Not sure if your joking or not.

Its called irony.

We're used to Renua types who hate the Public Service and want us on the bread line.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Is the time off for Christmas shopping gone or is it still there.

Sadly its gone.

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 08:21PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

Its called irony.

We're used to Renua types who hate the Public Service and want us on the bread line.

I thought Public servents where and that's why they want a pay increase ?

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:22PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did not say leeches said over paid. Again any justification for the 21k starting vs as low as 15 in the private sector ?

You'd rather see me on pittance in your race to the bottom zealotry.

Its never going to happen.

Black Menorca · 28-05-2015 08:23PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I thought Public servents where and that's why they want a pay increase ?

I'm paid well for the job I do.

These talks are about restoring my pay that was taken during our r=economic crisis. Pay that will be restored in the coming two years.

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 08:24PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

You'd rather see me on pittance in your race to the bottom zealotry.

Its never going to happen.

What race to the bottom, It's a pretty easy role to do 1 day training would probably cover it. 21k seems quite well paid and that's just the starting wage.

PeteFalk78 · 28-05-2015 08:25PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Cool so any justification of starting at 21k vs as low as 15k in the private sector ?

Because the chances are they are higher qualified than their counterparts in the private sector.

mikemac1 · 28-05-2015 08:26PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

Pay that will be restored in the coming two years.

You better hope for sooner rather that later if you're waiting for Minister Howlin to see you good

He won't be a minister in 2 years and maybe not this time next year

Idbatterim · 28-05-2015 08:29PM

I'm paid well for the job I do.

These talks are about restoring my pay that was taken during our r=economic crisis. Pay that will be restored in the coming two years.

Pay "restoration" back to boom time levels, cant wait for the government to have boom time GDP "restored" again :rolleyes: Well at least this time they are probably buying off only one sector, if they have to do that to secure re-election, I would at least prefer to see it go to the working!

Fg know they wont get a majority, Labour have been good bed buddies for them. Who knows how many seats Renua will win and they will rock the boat far more than Labour, and the last thing the government wants, is the boat rocked.

Its a fine balancing act between buying the next election and ensuring you maintain power and at the same time doing the least possible financial damage to the country...

darkpagandeath · 28-05-2015 08:32PM

PeteFalk78 wrote: »

Because the chances are they are higher qualified than their counterparts in the private sector.

What do extra qualification's bring to this basic role ? Should I be paid more in Tesco as I have a degree in psychology ? You get paid for the work you do not what other qualification's you have.

niallo27 · 28-05-2015 08:49PM

Black Menorca wrote: »

Its called irony.

We're used to Renua types who hate the Public Service and want us on the bread line.

I don't hate the public service. I envy you. We should all want to be equal with the public sector not drag them down to our level.

daithi7 · 29-05-2015 12:08AM

The way I see this is simple :

1. Ireland cannot afford to pay public servants more

2. Especially more than EU peers, who have far better public finances, &better run countries. It makes us even more uncompetitive by doing so.

3. We are already borrowing to pay for current expenditure, we (should) know this is not viable and leads to recession & national misery (80s & 00s) e.g. high taxes & debts, high unemployment & emigration, few young people left in towns, empty gaa clubs who can't fill teams, poor demand for housing, economic stagnation, etc,etc,etc

4. If finances did allow, there was an emergency tax introduced on work called the USC, that could be reduced, improving the welfare of all workers in the economy not just a well paid, protected & permanent public sector insider niche

The Government know all of this. Yet they are making a cynical calculation by putting the interests of the public sector (including their own pay) ahead of the greater good e.g by giving public sector pay rises, rather than simply reducing USC for everybody. They think by doing this they will be more popular & hence win more votes at the next election.

I think it is up to the Irish people to prove them wrong. Labour and Fine Gael should get routed for this on the doorsteps, & at the ballot box. This is a sell out of hard won financial prudence (by the troika & the people).

We are a heavily indebted state, yet we insist on giving away tomorrow's earnings today, to protected public sector workers before we've even earned them. Our politicians need to know that this is simply not acceptable. We're not just some bust socialist state, (thanks Bertie, you buffoon), who insist on taking care of the state cronies ahead of the general good, or are we!?

twowheelsonly · 29-05-2015 12:52AM

JillyQ wrote: »

The state could of course be made a shareholder init then getting a dividend from it to put back in public services such as hosiptals, education etc. .

The State is a shareholder as it is and it's the only one, which is the best way IMO. Think M50 toll bridge and where all that money goes .

JillyQ wrote: »

The state is still getting its cut motor tax is paid to them along with the added dividend. With out the cost of the salary bill, properties etc Of course a private operator takes it cut as well. Along with the online system you have longer opening hours and more flexible opening hours. Goverment gets the money without the cost, as well as the private operator generating an income, which increases the tax take for the goverment. Only difference is it must be run at profit in order to increase the revenue.

....i.e. cost of motor tax skyrockets .

niallo27 wrote: »

Clerical staff are getting 32k. ****en hell. No wonder we are ****ed. I have family in the public service and believe me I know how little the majority do. Still who are the fools I'm the one in the private sector breaking my balls for a bit over what clerical staff get.

Your family are the majority of the Public Service ?

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did not say leeches said over paid. Again any justification for the 21k starting vs as low as 15 in the private sector ?

21k is a reasonable starting wage . Your problem should be with those paying 15k wages. Aside from that not every CO job is the same , neither is every CO a secretary. It's a bit like "I work in IT" Some of those sell laptops in a shop , others write the programmes for them.

I find it fascinating that everyone knows what everyone elses job is worth, they're never paid enough themselves, all Public Sector workers are overpaid while all Private sector all break their balls all day every day.

My own big money saving idea ? Scrap Free Legal Aid as it stands and create a Public defenders office with salaried staff . Make it mandatory for all those getting a law degree from an Irish university to spend 2 years working there. The cream will rise to the top and be employed by the big firms which would also give them an incentive to work harder to earn the big bucks while the State would save millions on the current system IMO.

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