Blasphemy - An ecumenical matter

RobertKK · 27-05-2015 09:37AM

I don't mind if it is removed, there is talk about replacing it with religious tolerance laws instead, something some people on this forum lack.

So maybe what you have is better than what will replace it.

Given the lack of tolerance by some, there will be protection of religious views, given religious freedom is a human right.

endacl · 27-05-2015 09:38AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't mind if it is removed, there is talk about replacing it with religious tolerance laws instead, something some people on this forum lack.

So maybe what you have is better than what will replace it.

Given the lack of tolerance by some, there will be protection of religious views, given religious freedom is a human right.

As is freedom from religion.

seamus · 27-05-2015 09:42AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't mind if it is removed, there is talk about replacing it with religious tolerance laws instead, something some people on this forum lack.

So maybe what you have is better than what will replace it.

Given the lack of tolerance by some, there will be protection of religious views, given religious freedom is a human right.

Freedom of religion is already adequately protected by the constitution and our anti-discrimination laws.

Removal of the concept of blasphemy from the constitution would not affect people's right to have or practice religion.

There is no viewpoint in this world that should be legally protected from criticism or mockery.

RobertKK · 27-05-2015 09:45AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Protect them from what?

Sane people ridiculing their childish stories and backwards opinions?

Do people think posts like this are helpful in bringing people together?

Is this a sign of tolerance of other people?

27-05-2015 09:47AM

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

keeponhurling · 27-05-2015 09:48AM

shane7218 wrote: »

It's about time this ridiculous law is removed from the constitution in my opinion. Does anyone think there will be any opposition to its removal ? (Aside from the enlightened folks at IONA)

Why do you think this in an important issue and needs removing?

Abusing other people's religions rarely brings about a positive impact, and often promotes hatred.

You're perfectly entitled to ignore religions if you like.

PopePalpatine · 27-05-2015 09:50AM

Brecken Screeching Viola wrote: »

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

Need some ointment? Why not Zoidberg's Butthurt Cream?

The_Valeyard · 27-05-2015 09:53AM

Brecken Screeching Viola wrote: »

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

It's not really anti-Catholic as such, just now and then the A&A warriors jump forum for a rambling keyboard crusade.

Akrasia · 27-05-2015 10:01AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Do people think posts like this are helpful in bringing people together?

Is this a sign of tolerance of other people?

Ridiculous beliefs are open to ridicule. The alternative is that we should 'respect' all the stupid opinions that people have?

Scientists don't 'respect' arguments that are ridiculous. If someone says the earth is 6000 years old because of what they were told by their religious leaders the scientist is perfectly within his rights to laugh at them.

First someone should be educated, but if they refuse to accept reality, then laughter and ridicule are perfectly legitimate methods to contain the virus of ignorance from spreading to others

George Carlin and Bill Hicks turned more people away from religion than all the respectful debates' combined

Allowing the ridiculous to be ridiculed is essential for free speech and democracy.

Allowing anything to be ridiculed is essential in a free society, especially because there are few things more ridiculous than someone who is clearly wrong trying to ridicule someone who is clearly right.

The absurdity of a creationist trying to laugh at a evolutionary biologist only makes the creationists position even more ridiculous.

The truth will prevail when all ideas are freely expressed. This is why the first order of business in any cult or religion is to get people to stop reading and listening to people who don't agree with them

endacl · 27-05-2015 10:01AM

Brecken Screeching Viola wrote: »

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

I think, given our history, much of the comment on the topic has been fairly restrained.

If you like, I could do you up some proper vile...?

mickydoomsux · 27-05-2015 10:04AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Do people think posts like this are helpful in bringing people together?

Is this a sign of tolerance of other people?

I don't want to be "brought together" with mentally ill people.

galljga1 · 27-05-2015 10:17AM

Brecken Screeching Viola wrote: »

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

It is just an attempt to balance the books after two thousand years of inflicting nonsense on the world. A long way to go yet.

PopePalpatine · 27-05-2015 10:20AM

Brecken Screeching Viola wrote: »

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

Oh please, your kind would use anti-blasphemy laws to whitewash the abuse your church has inflicted on this country.

mickydoomsux · 27-05-2015 10:23AM

Brecken Screeching Viola wrote: »

After hours really needs to be renamed to the "anti-catholic forum". Its becoming unreadable when every second thread is full of vile insults towards Catholics. Its a pity the blasphemy laws couldn't be applied to stop it....

Why doesn't GOD stop it?

He did a good job stopping the Yes vote last Frid....... oh, right.

P_1 · 27-05-2015 10:26AM

RobertKK wrote: »

Do people think posts like this are helpful in bringing people together?

Is this a sign of tolerance of other people?

It's a fundamental concept of freedom of speech Robert. You are entitled to hold and express your opinion, equally I'm entitled to ridicule said opinion. The fact that said opinion would be religious in nature is no different to you holding a particular opinion on Brian Cody's latest tactics.

galljga1 · 27-05-2015 10:33AM

mickydoomsux wrote: »

Why doesn't GOD stop it?

He did a good job stopping the Yes vote last Frid....... oh, right.

You are not suggesting that God is.......... No, I can't say it, not even on AH.

RobertKK · 27-05-2015 10:34AM

The thing is an intolerance of religion in this country is mostly focused at Catholics.
There is a lack of education by some who show this intolerance, as seen last Friday when complaints were made that a bible was present on the table where election/referendum officials were, this was out of ignorance, taking offense at a book.
We need people to be educated on all sides.
The Catholic Church accepts evolution, but look at this forum, one would think they didn't.
I believe we should accept that people have different views, they can express these views, but I don't believe it is right when people go out of their way to offend others.
The thing is there is no point reporting posts on this site that belittle people who have a religious faith.
This is an accepted intolerance. I don't mind people not wanting religion in their lives, that is how they feel, but it is wrong when a person goes out of their way to belittle people without cause or need.
It only causes trouble because someone has a problem with what someone else believes. The same person causing that trouble would take offense if they were being told what to believe and what not to believe.
I think before any blasphemy law, the people who run this site should enforce a right for varied opinion on religion but should crackdown on posts which are nothing more than trolling, but which seem to be constantly allowed.
It is the only accepted intolerance...freedom of speech and expression comes with a responsibility, and some people are not big enough to be responsible with this right on this forum.

galljga1 · 27-05-2015 10:36AM

P_1 wrote: »

It's a fundamental concept of freedom of speech Robert. You are entitled to hold and express your opinion, equally I'm entitled to ridicule said opinion. The fact that said opinion would be ridiculous in nature is no different to you holding a particular opinion on Brian Cody's latest tactics.

Corrected that for you, spellchecker can be a pain in the ass.

The_Valeyard · 27-05-2015 10:38AM

galljga1 wrote: »

It is just an attempt to balance the books after two thousand years of inflicting nonsense on the world. A long way to go yet.

Atheist soviet governments did a good job on that in only 60 years.

galljga1 · 27-05-2015 10:45AM

RobertKK wrote: »

The thing is an intolerance of religion in this country is mostly focused at Catholics.
There is a lack of education by some who show this intolerance, as seen last Friday when complaints were made that a bible was present on the table where election/referendum officials were, this was out of ignorance, taking offense at a book.
We need people to be educated on all sides.
The Catholic Church accepts evolution, but look at this forum, one would think they didn't.
I believe we should accept that people have different views, they can express these views, but I don't believe it is right when people go out of their way to offend others.
The thing is there is no point reporting posts on this site that belittle people who have a religious faith.
This is an accepted intolerance. I don't mind people not wanting religion in their lives, that is how they feel, but it is wrong when a person goes out of their way to belittle people without cause or need.
It only causes trouble because someone has a problem with what someone else believes. The same person causing that trouble would take offense if they were being told what to believe and what not to believe.
I think before any blasphemy law, the people who run this site should enforce a right for varied opinion on religion but should crackdown on posts which are nothing more than trolling, but which seem to be constantly allowed.
It is the only accepted intolerance...freedom of speech and expression comes with a responsibility, and some people are not big enough to be responsible with this right on this forum.

It is predominantly a catholic country, logically, that would be the religion most open to attack particularly with the plethora of lunatic fringe groups attached to it.
Personally, I believe christianity is nonsense, thus if someone spouts nonsense based on 'the book', I feel free to query it. If that is offensive, tough. Have you considered that I and many others find what is preached to be offensive. The fact that this is protected by blasphemy laws is ridiculous.

mickydoomsux · 27-05-2015 10:49AM

RobertKK wrote: »

I think before any blasphemy law, the people who run this site should enforce a right for varied opinion on religion .

But only "varied" opinions you agree with?

Usual religious nonsense. Everyone has to accept your faith and its crackpot nonsense but you shouldn't have to accept that people think you are insane for believing this utter twaddle.

Mesrine65 · 27-05-2015 11:10AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So it would be "is it yourself" or whatever the Arabic equivalent is!

غير ذلك بنفسك

endacl · 27-05-2015 11:25AM

RobertKK wrote: »

The thing is an intolerance of religion in this country is mostly focused at Catholics.
There is a lack of education by some who show this intolerance, as seen last Friday when complaints were made that a bible was present on the table where election/referendum officials were, this was out of ignorance, taking offense at a book.
We need people to be educated on all sides.
The Catholic Church accepts evolution, but look at this forum, one would think they didn't.
I believe we should accept that people have different views, they can express these views, but I don't believe it is right when people go out of their way to offend others.
The thing is there is no point reporting posts on this site that belittle people who have a religious faith.
This is an accepted intolerance. I don't mind people not wanting religion in their lives, that is how they feel, but it is wrong when a person goes out of their way to belittle people without cause or need.
It only causes trouble because someone has a problem with what someone else believes. The same person causing that trouble would take offense if they were being told what to believe and what not to believe.
I think before any blasphemy law, the people who run this site should enforce a right for varied opinion on religion but should crackdown on posts which are nothing more than trolling, but which seem to be constantly allowed.
It is the only accepted intolerance...freedom of speech and expression comes with a responsibility, and some people are not big enough to be responsible with this right on this forum.

The religion that has caused the most misery in this country is Catholicism. Obvious, no?

IIRC, most comment on the polling station bible was of the 'why is it there?' Variety. Not 'it shouldn't be there'.

People are educated. Almost exclusively by the Catholic Church. Ironic, or funny?

Nice one on the evolution bit.

Questioning is not causing offence. It's a discussion forum. Thicken your skin up.

If you think a post has crossed some line, report it. 'There's no point' is a cop out. Maybe it suits you to be offended...?

Again, challenging statements and positions is not causing offence. By and large, people have no problem with what you believe. Only in the presumption that what you believe should apply to people who don't share that belief.

'The same person causing that trouble would take offense if they were being told what to believe and what not to believe'. This is the crux of why your beliefs are challenged.

Report the posts you think are trolling. Let the mods decide. No point whinging about it if you won't do something about it. Playing the victim? Just a little?

endacl · 27-05-2015 11:26AM

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Atheist soviet governments did a good job on that in only 60 years.

By using the red army? Or the red herring?

Nollog · 27-05-2015 11:29AM

I could see this being rolled out as the "fluff" next amendment, along side something that actually matters like abortion or the youth in asia.

endacl · 27-05-2015 11:31AM

/\/ollog wrote: »

I could see this being rolled out as the "fluff" next amendment, along side something that actually matters like abortion or the youth in asia.

Those crazy Chinese kids? What've they been up to?

Nollog · 27-05-2015 11:33AM

endacl wrote: »

Those crazy Chinese kids? What've they been up to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuY5sTe0YF8

I could also blame speech recognition, but I should be honest.

macker33 · 29-05-2015 02:32AM

galljga1 wrote: »

Corrected that for you, spellchecker can be a pain in the ass.

Grammer asshole often?

macker33 · 29-05-2015 02:35AM

What i cant figure out is why gays arent offended by evolution, seeing as evolution discredits homosexuality.
Evolution says gay is wrong and nobody is bothered, religion says gay is wrong and everybody freaks.

darkpagandeath · 29-05-2015 02:39AM

macker33 wrote: »

What i cant figure out is why gays arent offended by evolution, seeing as evolution discredits homosexuality.
Evolution says gay is wrong and nobody is bothered, religion says gay is wrong and everybody freaks.

No it does not, it just meant in times before artificial procreation their line would stop. Being gay could be a mutation carried by all humans and that is how it could propagate through the species.

Blasphemy - An ecumenical matter

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