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Be still my beating heart

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Thank you. Can't wait either! Must look up Hartstown.

    Small, friendly, flat as a pancake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,835 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Well of course. Your words stuck in my head after the last day out and I did hurt a little bit but not enough. I went a bit easy on myself in the middle of the race. Pain-fest for the next one all the way through!
    I'm learning:)

    Great. In the few races I have been in I got the butterflies. These are normal and welcome. It's when you get over anxious is what can really hinder your running.

    You seemed much more relaxed judging by that race report. As for going easy in the middle parts. I would say quite normal. There is always the fear that pushing it may see you suffer too much and leave nothing in the tank. It's only when you finish that you feel that maybe you could have went harder. It's ifs and buts. Had you went a bit harder mid race then you may not have made it home in at a decent pace.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    walshb wrote: »
    Great. In the few races I have been in I got the butterflies. These are normal and welcome. It's when you get over anxious is what can really hinder your running.

    You seemed much more relaxed judging by that race report. As for going easy in the middle parts. I would say quite normal. There is always the fear that pushing it may see you suffer too much and leave nothing in the tank. It's only when you finish that you feel that maybe you could have went harder. It's ifs and buts. Had you went a bit harder mid race then you may not have made it home in at a decent pace.

    Yes good points. But I do think I'm a little over-cautious since my DNF last summer in a 5k. I vowed I'd never let that happen me again and it won't (unless I'm injured). So now it's just learning to judge that correct effort level from start to finish.
    In saying that, I am happy enough with my result though. Training would suggest I can do a little bit better but it's a big improvement in a race setting since my last 5k last autumn and that's all that matters. It's going in the right direction as they say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,835 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Ososlo wrote: »
    Yes good points. But I do think I'm a little over-cautious since my DNF last summer in a 5k. I vowed I'd never let that happen me again and it won't (unless I'm injured). So now it's just learning to judge that correct effort level from start to finish.
    In saying that, I am happy enough with my result though. Training would suggest I can do a little bit better but it's a big improvement in a race setting since my last 5k last Autumn and that's all that matters. It's going in the right direction as they say.

    Over cautious will always come into your mind after a race. I doubt any runner/racer has ever crossed the line and thought that they gave max effort in every part of the race. They will always question and wonder could they have went faster here and there and maybe slower here an there etc etc. It certainly is going in the right direction. Can't ask for more than that at this stage, plus if you think you were over cautious and are confident that there was a faster time there then that should be seen as a big bonus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Morning A, Happy Birthday (on the assumption it is) have a great day.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    aquinn wrote: »
    Morning A, Happy Birthday (on the assumption it is) have a great day.

    thanks! Not sure how you knew!!! It was Friday but you were close!
    Well done today and looking forward to reading your report.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Monday 11 May
    5 miles easy

    Legs feeling better than ever. Absolutely no soreness or aches or tenderness of any kind since the race on Saturday. First time I've experienced this in the days after a race. I just don't think I pushed myself enough. Next time...
    Great run today. Could have run and run and run but need to conserve lots of energy for the beginning of my new speed training plan this week.
    9:51 avg pace

    Tuesday 12 May
    5 miles easy

    Another truly enjoyable and satisfying run. Glided around the park with a smile on my face. Legs and lungs feeling real good. Easy effort getting much quicker these days!
    9:39 avg pace

    Wednesday 13 May
    6 x 40 secs at 400-800m effort off jog back recoveries

    My new plan started today. It's all about - Hard Sessions and Recovery so less doubles and less mileage for the next couple of months.

    This was a nice introduction to proceedings as while I was moving at a pace that I haven't moved at in a long while, the recoveries were very generous.
    3.5 mile warmup and then onto my drills. Today I did flat foot Marches, Arse-Kicks (I'm Irish I don't have a butt) and then High Knees. Haven't done these since last summer. I got some good tips on another thread for my drills and strides which I will incorporate the next time.

    Got my first 40 second marker (between 3 goal posts on the paths around the football pitches in PP) and didn't look at the watch after that.

    Last few were hard alright but didn't slow up too much. While it was hard, I did really enjoy it, but that's easy to say when I had the luxury of jog-back recoveries. Not every session on the plan will be like this.
    Happy with that. Job done :) 6:25 avg pace for the 8 reps.
    9:37 avg pace
    9 miles total


    Thursday 14 May
    40 mins recovery

    This is all I was allowed to do today. Strict instructions not to do any more :(
    Bits of me felt a bit a tad sore during the day though, mainly groin and quads a little. This recovery run was great. I did some foam rolling and AIS before it, left out the Lunge Matrix routine as I thought it might be a bit too much.
    Really really enjoyable run and legs & co felt superb after it. Did a little AIS session when I got back too to aid the recovery and it did help a lot.
    9:45 avg pace (can't believe my recovery effort is after getting so 'quick' over the past few weeks!!!!

    Friday 15 May
    50 mins
    ezzzzzzzzzzzzzzaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    With my sister, Osoveryveryslow. It was killing her though but she still wouldn't stop talking throughout so wasn't doing herself any favours.
    I had a great day today as it was my birthday and I got an amazing new contract out of the blue that is going to be really a really positive thing for me. Didn't go too wild on the birthday drinks as wanted to be as fresh as possible for my session on Saturday. I'm either getting really sensible with age or am just too obsessed about my running...

    Saturday 16 May
    6 x 3mins @ 2mile off 2.50 jog/shuffle/walk recoveries

    I was given a target of 7:05 to hit for these. Didn't in a million years think I'd get close if I'm honest.
    AIS, Lunge Matrix and 3 mile warmup
    Then into my secret spot in the PP to do my drills and short strides and back into civilisation for the session. (It's a great secret spot. I can pee and hide clothes and look like an egit doing my drills and no one can see)

    6 x 3 mins at
    7 (pace)
    7:02
    7:01
    6:56
    7:03
    7:02

    Feckin over the moon with that and the best bit is, it wasn't even that hard. The recoveries were more than ample and I actually looked forward to launching into each following rep. I did walk a little for the recoveries on the last 2 but I didn't have to, I just wanted to be as recovered as possible for the rep and it was in the rules that I could so I did. Had another maybe 2 reps in me if there was a gun to my head.
    I kept an eye on the watch half way through each rep to ensure I wasn't going to easy on myself but in every rep, I was going way too fast (6:30s and 40s) so had to slow it down for the second half of the rep. Can't believe I'm saying that!!!
    So now.... this gives me loads more confidence. Now I KNOW that some day hopefully in the not too distant future, a 5k in the early 7s will happen. I know now it's possible if I put the work in. Which I will. So watch this space !
    9 miles @ 9:11 pace

    Sunday 17 May
    40 mins recovery

    Nice little gentle jog in the rain.

    42 miles weekly total


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Ososlo wrote:
    thanks! Not sure how you knew!!! It was Friday but you were close! Well done today and looking forward to reading your report.


    I read your log slowly, over time and recently enough. Belated Happy Birthday so. You share the date with someone else around here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Nice week. Did I pass you in P Park Weds about 4 at top of North Road? Didn't have the specs so couldn't be sure!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭Bungy Girl


    Happy belated birthday and congrats on a great week's training too! Nice session on Saturday.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭Dubgal72


    This log makes great reading anyway but lately it's just oozing with positivity as a result of your consistency. So glad to see your first speed sessions go so well. See, not so scary after all ;)
    Congrats on the contract, you really are on a roll!
    And happy belated birthday, I see we have something else in common apart from an obsession with a love of running :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭laura_ac3


    Happy belated birthday. Very jealous of those paces on the Saturday session, I'd say if someone had said those times to you a couple of years ago you'd have laughed. Great progress.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,936 ✭✭✭annapr


    +1 to the above, great times A, great to see your confidence rising too. Will be interested to see the impact of the speed training. (oh and belated happy birthday!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Murph_D wrote: »
    Nice week. Did I pass you in P Park Weds about 4 at top of North Road? Didn't have the specs so couldn't be sure!

    Yes very possibly! That's mad though as I had a message from another Boardsie on Wed evening asking if it was me that they saw on the Chesterfield Avenue around that time too!
    Strange I didn't recognise you though... I'm usually pretty observant.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Dubgal72 wrote: »
    This log makes great reading anyway but lately it's just oozing with positivity as a result of your consistency. So glad to see your first speed sessions go so well. See, not so scary after all ;)
    Congrats on the contract, you really are on a roll!
    And happy belated birthday, I see we have something else in common apart from an obsession with a love of running :)
    ha ha I'm taking each session as it comes and not thinking about the scary ones but believe me there is one bitch of a session in there for next week I think!!
    Happy belated birthday to you too!
    Looking forward to reading your report from today. Great going with the novices btw. They're spoilt this year!
    laura_ac3 wrote: »
    Happy belated birthday. Very jealous of those paces on the Saturday session, I'd say if someone had said those times to you a couple of years ago you'd have laughed. Great progress.
    Thanks!
    If someone had said those times to me a couple of months ago Laura I'd have laughed! Seriously!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭hillsiderunner


    Ososlo wrote: »
    It's a great secret spot. I can pee and hide clothes and ....

    Be careful doing that too late in the evening in the PP! At least depending on which secret place.

    Lovely session on the Saturday :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Be careful doing that too late in the evening in the PP! At least depending on which secret place.

    Lovely session on the Saturday :)

    oh god yes absolutely! It's a good secret place but not a stupid one:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭barryoneill50


    Well done on that scary session and happy belated.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Ok, good week of training. This was my second week of speed training and it really wasn't bad at all. As for next week, well..........

    Monday 18 May
    am: 40 mins easy
    9:52 avg pace
    pm: 40 mins easy
    9:41 avg pace
    Not feeling wonderful today and little to no sleep the previous night. Tonsils a tiny bit swollen. RHR really low though at 48 this morning so don't think there's a problem...
    8+ miles total

    Tuesday 19 May
    30 mins warm up -60 mins AT (2 hr race effort)- 20mins cool down

    Next to no sleep again last night and very windy doing this so splits are a little slower than I would have hoped but I'm still fairly happy with them.
    7 miles @: 8:33 8:31 8:27 8:31 8:35 8:19 8:29
    Felt very strong throughout except for a horrible mile at mile 5 which was all directly into the wind and I went into the red for a bit but really tried to stay as relaxed as possible. I've noticed a huge improvement in the paces for this particular session in the last few months. I do it by effort after I've locked into the pace after the first few miles. I was running in the 8:40s and 50s a few weeks ago but the mid-8s now feel quite comfortable. I run it at something a little slower than half marathon effort. Very happy with my improvement.
    12 miles at 9:05 avg pace

    Wednesday 20 May
    Rest. No sleep again so time to step it back a bit. Rotten day in work trying to stay awake. Chronically bad patch of insomnia atm.

    Thursday 21 May
    No sleep again!!!!!! Really running on empty all day. Wasn't feeling great starting out on the run so kept it super easy. Did enjoy it once I got into it and had much more energy than the previous day. Fcuk off sleep. Who needs you anyways... :cool:*
    50 mins recovery
    10:30 avg pace (*well I obviously do judging my slow pace today :( )

    Friday 22 May
    10 x 1 min @ 1 mile effort off 90 sec rec

    This was harder than I thought it would be. Maybe it's 'cause I wasn't feeling 100%. Not sure what was up with me but just not really feeling it this morning even though I did sleep really well. Maybe it was the accumulation of 4 recent very very bad nights.

    2.5 miles easy from St. Anne's brought me down to the coast road. Lovely around there. Need to run around this area more often as I always enjoy it, except for the pervy comments from a couple of road workers as I jogged passed.
    Did my drills in St. Anne's on the way down to the path and added in the strides as suggested to me on another thread. Drills seem to really make the legs feel more zippy heading into a session so good to start noticing the benefits.

    6:39 6:50 6:40 6:38 6:39 6:37 6:45 6:42 6:38 6:41
    Took a few to get used to the pace. Was really feeling it by the 8th and was glad to finish. Did it by effort so splits are a bit all over the shop. The effort felt about right though today.
    Jog back to the car was a bit of a slog and mainly uphill so not the most pleasant part of the run.

    Had some food, then voted YES, went home, did myrtl and had a snooze. A bloody great day for this country. Writing this at 18:18 on Friday and my prediction is 71% YES!
    8 miles total

    Saturday 23 May
    40 mins recovery

    And we did it:D In style:D Not quite 71% but a really good result.

    Beautiful morning. Not as much energy as I'd like this morning so happy to stay easy.
    10:03 avg pace

    Sunday 24 May
    am: 40 mins easy

    Did this with my BIL. I haven't run with anyone for quite a while so this was a bit of a novelty. It was painfully slow though but I really wanted to encourage him to run a bit further than his usual 5k so enticed him out this morning. Went well. A plethora of runners out in the local this morning! Great to see!!!
    pm: 40 mins easy
    Not sure why this is so fast. Maybe my watch is broken but it felt lovely and easy and relaxed.
    9:22 avg pace
    46 miles weekly total


    AIS and Lunge Matrix done before every run except this morning's run.
    Myrtle routine done after Tuesday and Friday sessions. Drills done before both sessions.
    Roll on next week! Kicking off with something nice and tasty tomorrow and then that darn 4 x 1 mile @ 5k on Thursday! OFF 90 BLOODY SECONDS!!!!!!!!!!AGGGGHHHH
    I am actually DYING to do it. Can't wait! Taking the day off work to prepare well for it:) Bring it on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    4x1m @ 5k pace off 90 second recoveries?
    That sounds like a very, very difficult session. I reckon if you complete that on target your 5k pace is actually a bit quicker. I'm not sure anyone could do that at their true 5k pace. Maybe I'm wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    4x1m @ 5k pace off 90 second recoveries?
    That sounds like a very, very difficult session. I reckon if you complete that on target your 5k pace is actually a bit quicker. I'm not sure anyone could do that at their true 5k pace. Maybe I'm wrong.

    very very difficult is an understatement :) I did it last year and was the hardest session I've ever done.

    I'll be doing another 5k race soon enough so we'll see if it will be near my true 5k pace then!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Ososlo wrote: »
    very very difficult is an understatement :) I did it last year and was the hardest session I've ever done.

    I'll be doing another 5k race soon enough so we'll see if it will be near my true 5k pace then!

    I remember doing a 5x1k session last year the week after I ran my 5k pb. I remember it being ridiculously difficult and IIRC I couldn't hit the target splits. And that was off 2:30 recoveries!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dub13


    Ososlo wrote: »
    very very difficult is an understatement :) I did it last year and was the hardest session I've ever done.

    I was out this morning running fast for only the second time since the Belfast Marathon 3 weeks ago. I just did a 4k warm up then a all guns out blazing 1k (3:59) then 8k cool down. I plan to work up to something like 4x1m @ 5k pace off 90 second recoveries, any tips..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭KielyUnusual


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    4x1m @ 5k pace off 90 second recoveries?
    That sounds like a very, very difficult session. I reckon if you complete that on target your 5k pace is actually a bit quicker. I'm not sure anyone could do that at their true 5k pace. Maybe I'm wrong.

    90 seconds is a long recovery ;)

    Its a tough session no doubt but should be doable as you sharpen up for a race. We regularly do 5-6 X 1k at 5k pace with 75-90s recovery and run them on grass. I always find it a great indicator of the 5k time you would run. If you're struggling to hit the right paces in a session like this, then you might want to re-assess your target time. Although, I reckon if you could hold the pace for 3 of the 4, then you'd be in with a good shout too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    Dub13 wrote: »
    I was out this morning running fast for only the second time since the Belfast Marathon 3 weeks ago. I just did a 4k warm up then a all guns out blazing 1k (3:59) then 8k cool down. I plan to work up to something like 4x1m @ 5k pace off 90 second recoveries, any tips..?

    Am I the only one who thinks these sessions sound a bit insane?
    Below is my post from last year when doing 1k (0.62m) intervals off 2 minute recoveries:
    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Tuesday 19th August (Day 16/56) - 10m (with 6 x 1,000m @ VO2Max)

    2.5m warm-up

    6 x 1,000m splits (with 2:00min recovery)

    1 - 3:27
    2 - 3:26
    3 - 3:25
    4 - 3:26
    5 - 3:26
    6 - 3:26

    2.75m cool down


    After my new 5k PB on Saturday, I needed to adjust the target splits for this session to 3:27min/km. Before I hit the road this morning, I foolishly had myself believing this would be comfortable having strung 5k together in a row at that pace on Saturday. Surely it would be easy running 6 x 1k intervals with recoveries in between? I even reduced the recoveries I had taken in the same session while training for Seville (2:30>2:00mins). How wrong I was! This was very, very, very difficult. I actually can't believe I ran at that pace last Saturday after this morning :confused:. The first interval felt ok, but I knew starting the second one that reducing the recovery time had been a mistake. It was too late to start again now though :(. Managed to hold the pace through that and the next two a little easier than expected. However the fifth & sixth were extremely painful. I needed to walk the recoveries after both of those while trying not to vomit at the same time. I was four seconds down on the last one with 200m to go, but couldn't allow myself to miss that having hit the others, so put everything I had left in the tank into hitting that and clawed it back to 3:26 :). Delighted with the session and happy with my decision to run on empty this morning, as I think my breakfast would be all over Clontarf promenade now if I'd eaten any!

    Two thoughts for the day, one of which myself & Ferris B were discussing on our long run last week:

    1. Training is not supposed to be easy
    2. What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger (can also be applied to life in general)

    I survived this morning and although I've got a lot of miles to cover in the next seven days, Longford is my next hard effort. Looking forward to that, although I'm not relishing the VO2 Max session (5 x 1200m) in a fortnight's time :eek:.

    I was really fit back then too. I think 4x1m at that speed off those recoveries is a recipe for disaster. You'll either flog yourself to death, or your confidence will take a knock when you can't hold the pace. As I said, if you are capable of completing on target, then there's no way that can be your true 5k pace. It's most definitely faster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭yaboya1


    90 seconds is a long recovery ;)

    Its a tough session no doubt but should be doable as you sharpen up for a race. We regularly do 5-6 X 1k at 5k pace with 75-90s recovery and run them on grass. I always find it a great indicator of the 5k time you would run. If you're struggling to hit the right paces in a session like this, then you might want to re-assess your target time. Although, I reckon if you could hold the pace for 3 of the 4, then you'd be in with a good shout too.

    Long? Are you serious?
    I felt like dying off 2 minutes last year and they were only 1k reps.
    I must just be soft :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭Ososlo


    Dub13 wrote: »
    I was out this morning running fast for only the second time since the Belfast Marathon 3 weeks ago. I just did a 4k warm up then a all guns out blazing 1k (3:59) then 8k cool down. I plan to work up to something like 4x1m @ 5k pace off 90 second recoveries, any tips..?

    Hey Dub13. You'd be better asking those who know about these matters. I just do what I'm told to be honest and am not qualified to give you advice.

    My build up has been very gradual though if you look back over my training so I have a good solid base behind me before tackling these kinds of reps or they might be a recipe for injury. I've been doing a lot of shorter faster reps and long tempos as a build up.

    In short, I really don't know but you might be better following a specific progressive plan if you're targeting a 5k.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 16,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭adrian522


    I agree P 4 miles seems a lot at 5K pace, if you can hold your pace for 4 miles off that recovery then surely you can go faster over 3.1 Miles in a race?

    Having said that I've never done sessions like that so I don't know, maybe the recovery means you can hold the pace for longer than your target race,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 473 ✭✭paddybarry


    yaboya1 wrote: »
    Am I the only one who thinks these sessions sound a bit insane?
    Below is my post from last year when doing 1k (0.62m) intervals off 2 minute recoveries:



    I was really fit back then too. I think 4x1m at that speed off those recoveries is a recipe for disaster. You'll either flog yourself to death, or your confidence will take a knock when you can't hold the pace. As I said, if you are capable of completing on target, then there's no way that can be your true 5k pace. It's most definitely faster.
    Doing sessions with groups is much easier as it replicates a race situation where you can feed off the energy of those around you and hit the require pace quicker and easier.

    Doing sessions on your own is way more difficult and without company is very difficult to hit target paces IMHO. However, they are great for character building.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,545 ✭✭✭tunguska


    4 x 1 Mile at 5k pace with only 90 seconds recovery is too extreme. When we do mile repeats we take the length of the interval to recover. So say it's a 5:10 mile, we'd jog (very slowly)for 5 minutes between each rep. Even with the long recovery it's a killer session. But we hit each rep spot on, theres no decline throughout. But if we attempted to do the same thing with only 90 secs between each rep, we'd lose the pace and each Mile would be progressively slower.
    I just think you're better off giving yourself a lot of recovery and focus on hitting the paces, that way your confidence would be sky high after and it's all about confidence. Whereas with the short recoveries you risk fading badly and actually dented your self belief.


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