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FizzleSticks · 22-05-2015 07:23PM

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hmmm · 22-05-2015 07:23PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

That's really not an ok attitude. We live in a democracy,that man's right to vote as he chooses has nothing to do with him striking for better working conditions for him and his colleagues.

This is nothing to do with his "right to vote". Vote whatever way he likes, just don't expect some of his passengers to like it, and don't expect them to support him when he wants something off them in the future.

What do "no" voters expect? This is a referendum, it's an emotive argument - don't expect that your decision to deny people the ability to marry is going to be something that people can simply forget and move on with.

Penny Tration · 22-05-2015 07:25PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

That's really not an ok attitude. We live in a democracy,that man's right to vote as he chooses has nothing to do with him striking for better working conditions for him and his colleagues. To say we'll support your strike if you support our political agenda is blackmail. It wasn't right when that attitude dominated Irish society in relation to religious mores 50 years ago and it's not right now when it's liberal mores. I believe in gay marriage,i want to live in a country where people can commit to who they choose, but I also want to live in a country that appreciates the democratic process and its basic tenants like the right to electoral self determination.

He participated in a strike to secure his RIGHTS in work.

He happily states he is refusing to support the RIGHTS of others.

Why the hell would anyone support him and his fight for his rights after he stated that he's voting to deny other people theirs?

oppenheimer1 · 22-05-2015 07:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

This is nothing to do with his "right to vote". Vote whatever way he likes, just don't expect some of his passengers to like it, and don't expect them to support him when he wants something off them in the future.

What do "no" voters expect? This is a referendum, it's an emotive argument - don't expect that your decision to deny people the ability to marry is going to be something that people can simply forget and move on with.

If you reversed the argument the stance would be idiotic would it not ?"The bus strike caused me extra hassle, but I see you want a yes vote from me? No way".

BoJack Horseman · 22-05-2015 07:29PM

KevIRL wrote: »

PP line on yes % vote now 62.5%.

Its going up.

As I said previously, this is going to be carried by more votes than people think.

MathDebater · 22-05-2015 07:29PM

cherryghost wrote: »

I seen Fionnuala Kenny is wearing a YES! badge in the rte photo while voting. I thought this wasn't allowed?

No, it's not allowed and it's outrageously stupid of her to sport an electioneering slogan whilst being photographed casting her vote. It's farcical.

_Whimsical_ · 22-05-2015 07:31PM

hmmm wrote: »

This is nothing to do with his "right to vote". Vote whatever way he likes, just don't expect some of his passengers to like it, and don't expect them to support him when he wants something off them in the future.

What do "no" voters expect? This is a referendum, it's an emotive argument - don't expect that your decision to deny people the ability to marry is going to be something that people can simply forget and move on with.

You can't exercise free choice and a democratic right to self determination in a climate where there's intimidation, anything that extends to saying "you don't support this then we won't support your right to decent working conditions whether we believe that's right on wrong and we'll punish your colleagues for it too" is not ok. You go that far then it becomes about interfering in your right to vote.

You think it's ok that a person voting yes wwould be threatened that he will suffer consequences in his work place because it's an emotive issue for those with a no leaning who surround him?

wonderfulname · 22-05-2015 07:32PM

KevIRL wrote: »

PP line on yes % vote now 62.5%.

Is that not a line they're taking bets on? As in you can bet if it will be over or under. Rather than a prediction.

hmmm · 22-05-2015 07:32PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

You can't exercise free choice and a democratic right to self determination in a climate where there's intimidation,

Intimidation? You're having a laugh. Intimidation is what black people experienced in the 60s. A poor babuh who doesn't feel loved by his passengers because he's said publicly he wants to deny them the ability to do something as basic as marry the person they love is a gob****e, not intimidated.

MathDebater · 22-05-2015 07:32PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

He participated in a strike to secure his RIGHTS in work.

He happily states he is refusing to support the RIGHTS of others.

Why the hell would anyone support him and his fight for his rights after he stated that he's voting to deny other people theirs?

The schoolyard society. I don't like your views on x, so I'm going to stoop to your level and go against y just to hurt you back.

BoJack Horseman · 22-05-2015 07:34PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

You think it's ok that a person voting yes wwould be threatened that he will suffer consequences in his work place because it's an emotive issue for those with a no leaning who surround him?

Do you have any proof of this?

I'm wondering where all this 'yes' campaign of hate is coming from?

Kiwi in IE · 22-05-2015 07:35PM

The high voter turnout being reported is great news! The yes side are more motivated I think. Voter turnout is also being reported as higher than usual in urban areas, and similar to other referendum turnout in rural areas. I imagine that urban dwellers are more likely to be yes voters. I'm feeling more and more confident and excited! It's going to be a yes!

_Whimsical_ · 22-05-2015 07:35PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

He participated in a strike to secure his RIGHTS in work.

He happily states he is refusing to support the RIGHTS of others.

Why the hell would anyone support him and his fight for his rights after he stated that he's voting to deny other people theirs?

And it's fair that in denying support for him you also punish all other people working in the sake company too regardless of how they voted? Illogical, anti democratic and frankly idiotic.

You don't punish people for how the vote unless you are happy to live in a dictatorship.

BoJack Horseman · 22-05-2015 07:36PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Is that not a line they're taking bets on? As in you can bet if it will be over or under. Rather than a prediction.

One is in effect the same as the other.

Its the line of 'Yes' percentage.

The outcome is certain, the only action is the percentages

VinLieger · 22-05-2015 07:36PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

The high voter turnout being reported is great news! The yes side are more motivated I think. Voter turnout is also being reported as higher than usual in urban areas, and similar to other referendum turnout in rural areas. I imagine that urban dwellers are more likely to be yes voters. I'm feeling more and more confident and excited! It's going to be a yes!

The high turnout is fantastic to hear, 60% predicted on the radio there which is amazing!

Anyone know what time the count starts tomorrow?

_Whimsical_ · 22-05-2015 07:37PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Do you have any proof of this?

I'm wondering where all this 'yes' campaign of hate is coming from?

I meant that as an example to illustrate that you cannot punish a no voter, it's equally immoral as punishing a yes voter. Just because it's emotive for some people doesn't give then the right to dole out punishment.
I'm not suggesting this has happened or will happen:)

wonderfulname · 22-05-2015 07:39PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

One is in effect the same as the other.

Its the line of 'Yes' percentage.

The outcome is certain, the only action is the percentages

Would bets not affect the line? Genuine question, my understanding of bookies is the odds are governed largely by how much they're willing to put on the line.

To whoever asked, counting starts at 9am tomorrow.

BoJack Horseman · 22-05-2015 07:39PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I meant that as an example.....
....I'm not suggesting this has happened or will happen:)

I wouldn't get worried about imagined hypotheticals.

folamh · 22-05-2015 07:40PM

The Telegraph reports:

"Yesterday, a pro-homosexual campaigner grabbed our camera and broke it in half, and on another occasion my colleague got spat at."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11622932/Irish-gay-marriage-vote-Its-us-who-now-face-intolerance-say-No-campaigners.html

Penny Tration · 22-05-2015 07:40PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

And it's fair that in denying support for him you also punish all other people working in the sake company too regardless of how they voted? Illogical, anti democratic and frankly idiotic.

You don't punish people for how the vote unless you are happy to live in a dictatorship.

I never commented in it, and I don't give a ****e what way he votes.

I'm explaining why people could feel the way they do.

Not supporting his fight for his rights, when he won't support anyone else's fight for their rights is hardly illogical.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 07:41PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

It's going to be a yes!

A big Yes.

KeithWoodshead · 22-05-2015 07:41PM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

I meant that as an example to illustrate that you cannot punish a no voter, it's equally immoral as punishing a yes voter. Just because it's emotive for some people doesn't give then the right to dole out punishment.
I'm not suggesting this has happened or will happen

Well at least you admit you're bull****ting

BoJack Horseman · 22-05-2015 07:42PM

wonderfulname wrote: »

Would bets not affect the line? Genuine question, my understanding of bookies is the odds are governed largely by how much they're willing to put on the line.

Absolutely yes.

The line will move based on betting traffic, but also based on the bookies own assessment of the likely outcome.

Penny Tration · 22-05-2015 07:42PM

folamh wrote: »

The Telegraph reports:

"Yesterday, a pro-homosexual campaigner grabbed our camera and broke it in half, and on another occasion my colleague got spat at."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11622932/Irish-gay-marriage-vote-Its-us-who-now-face-intolerance-say-No-campaigners.html

I was called a 'fat lezzer' in work today because I had a vote yes sticker on.

Boo fcuking hoo. There's cnuts on each side, who'da thunk it?

ixoy · 22-05-2015 07:42PM

FizzleSticks wrote: »

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And is it worse than the large "Vote No" banners that were right outside the school where our voting station was?

BoJack Horseman · 22-05-2015 07:43PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

I was called a 'fat lezzer' in work today because I had a vote yes sticker on.

Boo fcuking hoo. There's cnuts on each side, who'da thunk it?

And what the hell is a "pro-homosexual"?

Its like being 'pro-daytime' & 'pro-weather'.

Zen65 · 22-05-2015 07:47PM

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't see what is great about wanting the state to regulate one's private life and who they love.

How does the state do that?

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5 · 22-05-2015 07:48PM

Jenny Thalia wrote: »

I never commented in it, and I don't give a ****e what way he votes.

I'm explaining why people could feel the way they do.

Not supporting his fight for his rights, when he won't support anyone else's fight for their rights is hardly illogical.

We had voters on here who were *claiming* that they were voting no because of yes side "bullying", they were rightly shot down, urged to vote on the issue at hand, and not to punish thousands of people for other people's sh1tty behaviour. That goes both ways.

aloyisious · 22-05-2015 07:48PM

Be careful of what you vote for, you might get it. ROFL at this story: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/angry-voter-who-drew-penis-5661773

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 07:49PM

folamh wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11622932/Irish-gay-marriage-vote-Its-us-who-now-face-intolerance-say-No-campaigners.html

Why are these eejits wearing red flags pinned with a lion brooch and playing the bagpipes?

The Knights of NoProHomos?

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