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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    Not content with just vandalising posters, many were pulled down. All no posters were vandalised on the drumcondra road by the cat and cage.

    Wicklow Main Street had all Yes posters removed and replaced by No posters just a day or two ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,169 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    New account, 8 posts all about the referendum, most of them stating how scared he is of ridicule from the yes side.


    Seems legit.

    That reminds me, gravehold closed their account earlier today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    The only risk here was that turnout would be low, and complacency or apathy would let the No side sneak a 51% win.

    But turnout is at General Election levels - it'll be a clear 60-40 win for Yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    The only risk here was that turnout would be low, and complacency or apathy would let the No side sneak a 51% win.

    But turnout is at General Election levels - it'll be a clear 60-40 win for Yes.

    Any idea what the turnout has been so far?
    My polling station was really quiet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    Not content with just vandalising posters, many were pulled down. All no posters were vandalised on the drumcondra road by the cat and cage.

    And none of the Yes posters were?

    I don't agree with that carry on but to suggest it was limited to any one side is just incorrect. Surely we've all seen the pictures of the guy taking his stanley knife to a Yes poster for example?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,536 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    222233 wrote: »
    Voted! Hoping to see Ireland have moved on from the stone age when the results are in tomorrow!

    Stone age? We're the first country in the world to put this question to its citizens. Ireland is trailblazing on this!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    molloyjh wrote: »
    I live in Dublin and haven't seen a single No poster vandalised. I walk through the city centre every day after commuting from a commuter town.

    I've seen a fair few with graffiti marks on them. There was one outside TCD on Westmoreland St. at the triangle which had been marked until one of the campaigners must've cleaned/replaced it and then moved it up much higher than before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭222233


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Stone age? We're the first country in the world to put this question to its citizens. Ireland is trailblazing on this!

    i was referring to the reasoning behind any no campaign of sorts, which had no valid argument


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,507 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    Only 20%-30% turnout for the majority of Munster, around 30% for most of Connacht and Ulster according to the news so far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Excellent turnout so far in our urban constituency, and lots more younger people than normal in the mix. Fingers crossed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,767 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    I've seen a fair few with graffiti marks on them. There was one outside TCD on Westmoreland St. at the triangle which had been marked until one of the campaigners must've cleaned/replaced it and then moved it up much higher than before.

    See my post 2 above yours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    I would of love to of voted no today because marriage to me is stupidity, but I voted yes, if they want to get married let them, not as if they are trying to get married to me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,159 ✭✭✭mrkiscool2


    brianblaze wrote: »
    Smoking ban... Plastic bag surcharge... Woo, look at us....

    To discriminate against anyone for a reason as stupid as their colour or sexual orientation is stone age, IMO
    A lot of countries still do though. Ireland is very unique in that it is both conservative in it's values yet it holds quite progressive view points on social issues. We are one of the most equal countries in the world, we don't have huge problems with racism, sexism or homophobia (they still exist but compared to some first-world countries we are pretty accepting). Ireland is not in the stone age and the fact that we may become the first person to back same-sex marriage by popular vote is something to be celebrated, not something that is dragging us out of the stone age.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭traprunner


    I would of love to of voted no today because marriage to me is stupidity, but I voted yes, if they want to get married let them, not as if they are trying to get married to me

    Well done. Let people be stupid if they want :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    I voted yes. Surely if I had an agenda with my post, I would've talked about how horrible the No campaigners were. But the reality is, anyone who canvassed me or handed me a pamphlet was a nice person, who I just didn't agree with.

    That's what I mean though. In your experience, you found nice No campaigners. In my experience, I found verbally abusive No campaigners. Two tried to physically stop me, and started yelling about how I couldn't be that f-ing busy. Another seen I was wearing a Yes badge on my bag and proceeded to tell me about how I'm going to hell for support the act of Satan and stuff. So there's nice and not nice in both campaigns. To say that the Yes were terrible alone is just seeing what you want to see. I wasn't suggesting you had an agenda at all, I'm just pointing out that your experience isn't necessarily universal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    I would of love to of voted no today because marriage to me is stupidity, but I voted yes, if they want to get married let them, not as if they are trying to get married to me

    That's where you're wrong. If the yes vote passes, you must marry all the homosexuals raze_them_all_.
    Iron the tux- it'll be a Summer wedding. Til death do us part motherf*cker. This was our Gay Agenda all along


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,792 ✭✭✭raze_them_all_


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    That's where you're wrong. If the yes vote passes, you must marry all the homosexuals raze_them_all_.
    Iron the tux- it'll be a Summer wedding. Til death do us part motherf*cker. This was our Gay Agenda all along

    Fine I'll go get ordained and marry ye all, I'll be rich, homer simpson was right in that episode after all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,887 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    Voted Yes.

    That may be the vote that changes everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    molloyjh wrote: »
    And none of the Yes posters were?

    I don't agree with that carry on but to suggest it was limited to any one side is just incorrect. Surely we've all seen the pictures of the guy taking his stanley knife to a Yes poster for example?

    I never said it was. In fact I think all posters were taken down in Rathmines at the very start - both yes and no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    sup_dude wrote: »
    That's what I mean though. In your experience, you found nice No campaigners. In my experience, I found verbally abusive No campaigners. Two tried to physically stop me, and started yelling about how I couldn't be that f-ing busy. Another seen I was wearing a Yes badge on my bag and proceeded to tell me about how I'm going to hell for support the act of Satan and stuff. So there's nice and not nice in both campaigns. To say that the Yes were terrible alone is just seeing what you want to see. I wasn't suggesting you had an agenda at all, I'm just pointing out that your experience isn't necessarily universal.

    Oh I understand that there are some very nice Yes campaigners, but all I'm saying is that I, and a lot of people I know, were quite annoyed at some of the tactics used by people who were either involved with the campaign, or supported it, and that despite No campaigners being portrayed as angry, mean and hateful people, I found most of them pretty friendly and approachable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,377 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Come on.. it'll be a landslide. Somewhere in the region of 72 to 28, at a complete guess.

    Well hopefully you're right, but I doubt that very much

    72% yes?... just don't see that being the case at all

    There'll be 10% or less in the difference I'd say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Expecting to see Yes with around 72%-75% of the vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    I was in Kilkenny city, two days ago, saw no No posters, majority were election posters and then Yes posters.
    Passed through Castlecomer today, saw no Yes posters, majority were election posters. and then No posters.

    Overall, the place is a mess with posters...and I am not sure how effective any of them are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,897 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Well hopefully you're right, but I doubt that very much

    78% yes?... just don't see that being the case at all

    There'll be 10% or less in the difference I'd say.

    Never go as high 78%. Lot of rural constituencies will vote No. More like 60-40 and I'd gladly take that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Well hopefully you're right, but I doubt that very much

    72% yes?... just don't see that being the case at all

    There'll be 10% or less in the difference I'd say.

    We need a poll.

    I'm sticking with 63% yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,252 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    mk1000 wrote: »
    This referendum is ideologically driven, rather than being of practical consequence. The neo-liberal ideology being expressed in the push for this referendum is that of gender-neutrality; the idea that there is no real difference between men and women, or that the differences are merely superficial. A common analogy used by the yes side is equating the disapproval of same-sex marriages with that of mixed-race marriages. This conflation clearly indicates a strong belief that sexual and romantic attraction is person-to-person based, and is not, or at least not exclusively based on gender. I would hold this is not the case; that sexual attraction is indeed based solely on the attraction to and from opposing sexes, feminine seeking masculine and visa versa. A man who is attracted to men is predominantly feminine psychologically although biologically male, and visa versa.

    On this basis, one can see how discrimination against same-sex marriage could carry some justification, or is at least not necessarily mere bigotry as is being evidently depicted in the media output throughout this campaign. As marriage is currently defined in the constitution (being between a man and a woman) it is certainly discriminatory. However, discrimination according to the dictionary is twofold in definition; "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another." and "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.".

    The prevalent myth in modern, western society is that each individual, his/her mind is functioning independently and not inherently connected with and part of a system of constant inter-relations with other minds. It is from this view that certain values are disregarded and others encouraged, namely the importance of upholding and protecting our social institutions, such as marriage.

    What really strikes me is the degree to which people proclaim their belief in 'equality'; that everyone must believe that all human beings are equal, all the while the basic activity of humans within society seems to be the unrelenting pursuit of differential advantage. If one person is earning x amount, the next will want y, a greater amount, and will be happy as long as this is so. It's as if the moral ideals we hold are far more advanced than the reality which our actions reflect.

    This is not at all an argument for or against passing the referendum, but rather I am trying to convey how the whole charade that has surrounded the campaign for gay marriage is a clear reflection of the ideology of modern society, which in my view is full of contradictions.

    First post!

    Do you think Chelsea will win the EPL?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was in Kilkenny city, two days ago, saw no No posters, majority were election posters and then Yes posters.
    Passed through Castlecomer today, saw no Yes posters, majority were election posters. and then No posters.

    Overall, the place is a mess with posters...and I am not sure how effective any of them are.

    The effectiveness of election posters is certainly questionable. Sean gallagher came second in the presidential election with no posters - and he would have won only for the Frontline debate.

    That said the ridicule Mary Davis received for her posters finished her campaign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    mk1000 wrote: »
    This referendum is ideologically driven, rather than being of practical consequence. The neo-liberal ideology being expressed in the push for this referendum is that of gender-neutrality; the idea that there is no real difference between men and women, or that the differences are merely superficial. A common analogy used by the yes side is equating the disapproval of same-sex marriages with that of mixed-race marriages. This conflation clearly indicates a strong belief that sexual and romantic attraction is person-to-person based, and is not, or at least not exclusively based on gender. I would hold this is not the case; that sexual attraction is indeed based solely on the attraction to and from opposing sexes, feminine seeking masculine and visa versa. A man who is attracted to men is predominantly feminine psychologically although biologically male, and visa versa.

    Do they? Can I get a few credible studies here?
    On this basis, one can see how discrimination against same-sex marriage could carry some justification

    Seriously?
    or is at least not necessarily mere bigotry as is being evidently depicted in the media output throughout this campaign. As marriage is currently defined in the constitution (being between a man and a woman) it is certainly discriminatory. However, discrimination according to the dictionary is twofold in definition; "recognition and understanding of the difference between one thing and another." and "the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.".

    Marriage is not currently defined in the Constitution as being between a man and a woman...
    The prevalent myth in modern, western society is that each individual, his/her mind is functioning independently and not inherently connected with and part of a system of constant inter-relations with other minds. It is from this view that certain values are disregarded and others encouraged, namely the importance of upholding and protecting our social institutions, such as marriage.

    This is still in the early stages of research. Science cannot conclude anything from it, therefore you can't.
    What really strikes me is the degree to which people proclaim their belief in 'equality'; that everyone must believe that all human beings are equal, all the while the basic activity of humans within society seems to be the unrelenting pursuit of differential advantage. If one person is earning x amount, the next will want y, a greater amount, and will be happy as long as this is so. It's as if the moral ideals we hold are far more advanced than the reality which our actions reflect.

    I don't think you're accounting too much for individuals here...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    That's one thing I'll agree with you on, fecking eyesore the lot of them.

    Yup! Could we have a referendum with zero campaigning and leave everything to the Referendum Commission? That'd be much better.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭oppenheimer1


    sup_dude wrote: »
    Yup! Could we have a referendum with zero campaigning and leave everything to the Referendum Commission? That'd be much better.

    You couldn't have that, rumour and misinformation would abound... oh wait...


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