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The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

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  • #5342
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    No, not all couples, but it is available to each and every citizen equally.

    That's not much use, since people don't marry themselves.


  • #5343
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    katydid wrote: »
    That's not much use, since people don't marry themselves.

    And?


  • #5344
    Thumpette
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Thumpette


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Sorry, ask away.
    Black Menorca wrote: »
    We're in agreement here. Any single man can marry any single woman in this country.

    Everyone eligible has equal access to it.


    Is that to say that people who wish to have access to the right to marry should enter into a loveless marriage where they will spend their life unfulfilled and unhappy?

    Is that a more respectful approach to the sanctity of marriage than a same sex couple in love and commited to a life long monogamous marriage?


  • #5345
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Your comparison would make sense if some people were allowed to marry those who aren't divorced.

    Come again?


  • #5346
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I've never claimed marriage is available to all couples.

    I might be in a ralationship with another woman who has left her husband, but if she's not divorced, I can't marry her.

    I am equally discriminated against.

    But I have equal access to marry another single woman.

    Every eligible citizen has equal access to marriage as things stand today.

    The other woman in your first scenario can get a divorce, then you can marry. There are several reasons in law why people can't marry - consanguity, or an existing marriage, for example. Everyone is equal under the law in this respect.

    You have equal access to marry another single woman. But you do not have equal access to marry another single man.

    How hard is that to grasp? What do you think people have been debating ad nauseum for the past couple of months?


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  • #5347
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Thumpette wrote: »
    Is that to say that people who wish to have access to the right to marry should enter into a loveless marriage where they will spend their life unfulfilled and unhappy?

    Is that a more respectful approach to the sanctity of marriage than a same sex couple in love and commited to a life long monogamous marriage?

    Absolutely not. People should have the right to decide if they get married. I'd never force it on anyone. I'd run away from it myself.


  • #5348
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    katydid wrote: »
    The other woman in your first scenario can get a divorce, then you can marry. There are several reasons in law why people can't marry - consanguity, or an existing marriage, for example. Everyone is equal under the law in this respect.

    You have equal access to marry another single woman. But you do not have equal access to marry another single man.

    How hard is that to grasp? What do you think people have been debating ad nauseum for the past couple of months?

    Hence, marriage is between a man and a woman. Available to all equally.


  • #5349
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Absolutely not. People should have the right to decide if they get married..

    But some people don't have that right, even if they are single and there is no impediment to their marriage such as consanguity.

    Jeez...


  • #5350
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Absolutely not. People should have the right to decide if they get married. I'd never force it on anyone. I'd run away from it myself.
    Yet you support barring some of them from getting married.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5351
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    Yet you support barring some of them from getting married.

    If any woman wants to marry any eligible man, who am I to prevent it?


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  • #5352
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    If any woman wants to marry any eligible man, who am I to prevent it?

    and if she wants to marry a woman, all bets are off, right?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5353
    Perla Little Slipknot
    Posts: 24,816 ✭ Perla Little Slipknot


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    If any woman wants to marry any eligible man, who am I to prevent it?

    Okay. Can I ask you the race question again?

    Once upon a time, a black man was not an 'eligible' choice for a white woman.

    That is no longer the case, correct?

    Can you understand the analogy better when it's presented as thus? The 'eligibility criteria' are up for changing, once again.


  • #5354
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    If any woman wants to marry any eligible man, who am I to prevent it?

    Ok, this is getting ridiculous. You can't be that obtuse. This debate is not about men and women marrying each other.

    I'm not sure what you're playing at with your pretend failure to comprehend the debate. But I'm not playing any more.


  • #5355
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Can I just say, I am happy to have you all disagree with me on this.

    I hope you accept my bona fides on this. We are not agreeing and are viewing things from different points on the compass.


  • #5356
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Who are you to prevent a man from marrying a man or a woman from marrying a woman?

    Isn't that what today's referendum is all about? The decision of the nation to make that very choice?


  • #5357
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    and if she wants to marry a woman, all bets are off, right?

    Yes, for now at least.


  • #5358
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Can I just say, I am happy to have you all disagree with me on this.

    I hope you accept my bona fides on this. We are not agreeing and are viewing things from different points on the compass.

    It's not about agreeing or disagreeing. You are not even engaging in the debate because you are either extremely obtuse or you are pretending not to understand the nature of the debate.

    Bona fides have nothing to do with anything. Actually demonstrating an understanding of the topic is the starting point.


  • #5359
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Okay. Can I ask you the race question again?

    Once upon a time, a black man was not an 'eligible' choice for a white woman.

    That is no longer the case, correct?

    Can you understand the analogy better when it's presented as thus? The 'eligibility criteria' are up for changing, once again.

    No.


  • #5360
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    Black Menorca is just trolling, He/She is just stating how things stand currently.

    At this moment Marriage in Ireland is between Man and Woman which is correct

    Black Menorca wont give any other opinion


  • #5361
    Perla Little Slipknot
    Posts: 24,816 ✭ Perla Little Slipknot


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    No.

    Can you please point out the disconnect in that case?


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  • #5362
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Except only one viewpoint is discriminatory. I don't see why you'd expect people to accept that. I respect your right to hold your views, sure. But I have no respect for the views themselves.

    That is all I ask.


  • #5363
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Yes, for now at least.

    isn't that much easier than the trip round the hills pretending otherwise?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5364
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    Black Menorca is just trolling, He/She is just stating how things stand currently.

    At this moment Marriage in Ireland is between Man and Woman which is correct

    Black Menorca wont give any other opinion

    So because I don't share your world view, I am a Troll.

    See what I mean folks?


  • #5365
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    Black Menorca is just trolling, He/She is just stating how things stand currently.

    At this moment Marriage in Ireland is between Man and Woman which is correct

    Black Menorca wont give any other opinion

    MOD NOTE

    Please don't accuse posters of trolling. Use the Report button instead.

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5366
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    isn't that much easier than the trip round the hills pretending otherwise?

    I have never tried to claim otherwise.

    I can't marry another man or married woman.

    That is how things stand. I would rather the status quo remain. Marriage to remain an institution between a man and a woman. Available to all, equally, if they so wish to avail of it.


  • #5367
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    So because I don't share your world view, I am a Troll.

    See what I mean folks?

    I dont care what your view is , you have the full right to vote yes or no like anyone ele, Im not here to convert you.

    Thee only point you have made is that currently Marriage is between a Man and a Woman

    Let me ask you a simple Question.

    Will the word marriage have a lesser meaning to you if the Yes vote is passed?

    Just answer yes or no


  • #5368
    Perla Little Slipknot
    Posts: 24,816 ✭ Perla Little Slipknot


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have never tried to claim otherwise.

    I can't marry another man or married woman.

    That is how things stand. I would rather the status quo remain. Marriage to remain an institution between a man and a woman. Available to all, equally, if they so wish to avail of it.

    Placing 'equally' in sentences does not automatically guarantee that you are describing an equal footing. It's akin to those who post/say FACT at the end of statements believing that it may somehow offer the preceding information some form of protection from scrutiny.

    Pavlova.


  • #5369
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    I dont care what your view is , you have the full right to vote yes or no like anyone ele, Im not here to convert you.

    Thee only point you have made is that currently Marriage is between a Man and a Woman

    Let me ask you a simple Question.

    Will the word marriage have a lesser meaning to you if the Yes vote is passed?

    Just answer yes or no

    I have no idea if the meaning will change for me or not.


  • #5370
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have never tried to claim otherwise.

    I can't marry another man or married woman.

    That is how things stand. I would rather the status quo remain. Marriage to remain an institution between a man and a woman. Available to all, equally, if they so wish to avail of it.

    These two ideas are at odds with each other.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #5371
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I have no idea if the meaning will change for me or not. does that still make me a troll?

    MOD NOTE

    The poster has been warned to not call other posters troll on thread.

    Do not attempt to bait them please.

    Thanks for your attention.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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