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The Gay Megathread (see mod note on post #2212)

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  • #5312
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Oxymoron if I ever saw one given marriage is already equally available to each citizen of the country.

    Part of a word leaped out of that statement.


  • #5313
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    But marriage is between a man and a woman. Full stop. Available to all, equally.

    Not after today.


  • #5314
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    We're in agreement here. Any single man can marry any single woman in this country.

    Everyone eligible has equal access to it.

    No, we're not in agreement. A same-sex couple cannot currently marry even though a male+female couple can.

    This means that couples are not treated equally under the current laws/rules pertaining to marriage.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5315
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Part of a word leaped out of that statement.

    Touché Olé!



  • #5316
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    galljga1 wrote: »
    Not after today.

    You're probably right there. :)


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  • #5317
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    And blacks can sit in the black part of the bus, while whites sit in the white part. Everyone is equal :)

    Leave any racial prejudice out of this please. I have no time for racism of any form.


  • #5318
    Polo_Mint
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,504 ✭✭✭Polo_Mint


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    But marriage is between a man and a woman. Full stop. Available to all, equally.

    And Soon to be Marriage between Man and Man and Woman and Woman equally.

    Will Marriage in the future not have the same meaning as marriage in the past for you?


  • #5319
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    No, we're not in agreement. A same-sex couple cannot currently marry even though a male+female couple can.

    This means that couples are not treated equally under the current laws/rules pertaining to marriage.

    I agree with you.

    Marriage is an contract between a man and a woman.


  • #5320
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Polo_Mint wrote: »
    And Soon to be Marriage between Man and Man and Woman and Woman equally.

    Will Marriage in the future not have the same meaning as marriage in the past for you?

    I have no intention of marrying now or in the future. I have no idea how it will change, if at all.


  • #5321
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,405 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Leave any racial prejudice out of this please. I have no time for racism of any form.

    But you're okay with discriminating against same sex couples?


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  • #5322
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I agree with you.

    Marriage is an contract between a man and a woman.

    Exactly. It's not currently available to all couples equally.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5323
    Michael OBrien
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 533 ✭✭✭Michael OBrien


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Leave any racial prejudice out of this please. I have no time for racism of any form.
    Your argument is an appeal to tradition, as long as the tradition suites your prejudice.
    You say you have a problem with racism, however in the past there was laws against mixed marriages. So using your own logic, marriage THEN was equal and need not be changed. You could easily be quoted back then as saying:
    "Marriage is between people of the same colour, so everyone can get married already".


  • #5324
    Thumpette
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Thumpette


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    We're in agreement here. Any single man can marry any single woman in this country.

    Everyone eligible has equal access to it.


    Is that to say that people who wish to have access to the right to marry should enter into a loveless marriage where they will spend their life unfulfilled and unhappy?

    Is that a more respectful approach to the sanctity of marriage than a same sex couple in love and commited to a life long monogamous marriage?


  • #5325
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Then why do you have time for homophobia?
    I don't, please retract such a comment.


  • #5326
    galljga1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Thumpette wrote: »
    Is that to say that people who wish to have access to the right to marry should enter into a loveless marriage where they will spend their life unfulfilled and unhappy?

    Is that a more respectful approach to the sanctity of marriage than a same sex couple in love and commited to a life long monogamous marriage?

    It works for a lot of people.


  • #5327
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    Exactly. It's not currently available to all couples equally.

    No, not all couples, but it is available to each and every citizen equally.


  • #5328
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I don't, please retract such a comment.
    will you retract the comment about racism also?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5329
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    No, not all couples, but it is available to each and every citizen equally.

    Marriage requires a couple, not one citizen.

    Couples avail of marriage. It's clear as day that it is currently not available to all couples equally. You've said as much yourself.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5330
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    will you retract the comment about racism also?

    I didn't bring race into it. I have no time for racism of any form.


  • #5331
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    Marriage requires a couple, not one citizen.

    Couples avail of marriage. It's clear as day that it is currently not available to all couples equally. You've said as much yourself.

    Qualifying couples, yes.


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  • #5332
    Thumpette
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭Thumpette


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    No, not all couples, but it is available to each and every citizen equally.

    You might have missed my question Black Menorca?


  • #5333
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Thumpette wrote: »
    You might have missed my question Black Menorca?

    Sorry, ask away.


  • #5334
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    And people with a qualifying skin colour can drink from the 'white' water fountain.

    Do you really not see the parallels here?

    Your obsession with bringing race into this isn't working.


  • #5335
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Qualifying couples, yes.

    ergo some couples don't qualify, therefore not available to all couples equally.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #5336
    Perla Little Slipknot
    Posts: 24,816 ✭ Perla Little Slipknot


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Your obsession with bringing race into this isn't working.

    It's analogous. Perhaps consider the point of bringing race into the conversation.


  • #5337
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    Leave any racial prejudice out of this please. I have no time for racism of any form.
    But homophobia is ok?


  • #5338
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    SW wrote: »
    ergo some couples don't qualify, therefore not available to all couples equally.

    I've never claimed marriage is available to all couples.

    I might be in a ralationship with another woman who has left her husband, but if she's not divorced, I can't marry her.

    I am equally discriminated against.

    But I have equal access to marry another single woman.

    Every eligible citizen has equal access to marriage as things stand today.


  • #5339
    katydid
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,351 ✭✭✭katydid


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I agree with you.

    Marriage is an contract between a man and a woman.

    At the moment. What is your point?


  • #5340
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,049 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Black Menorca wrote: »
    I've never claimed marriage is available to all couples.

    I might be in a ralationship with another woman who has left her husband, but if she's not divorced, I can't marry her.

    I am equally discriminated against.

    But I have equal access to marry another single woman.

    Every eligible citizen has equal access to marriage as things stand today.

    Good to know we're on the same page.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #5341
    Black Menorca
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,572 ✭✭✭Black Menorca


    katydid wrote: »
    But homophobia is ok?

    Absolutely not.


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