Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

Not a NSA agent · 22-05-2015 01:31PM

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

If we could keep the voting turnout like this for the general election year it would be great.

I dont know, given the amount of people who vote for whichever side they think has been bullied there could be a lot of people voting SF.

TwoShedsJackson wrote: »

You'll not hear a peep from them until the next issue that threatens the influence of the Catholic Church on this island.

Im sure they'll flail around a bit but at that point we can just laugh at them. Theres always going to be a few people looking for anything negative about same sex marriage and then put it up claiming they were right.

K4t · 22-05-2015 01:31PM

MathDebater wrote: »

You're not a stupid chap. You and I both know that a large splice of those who are returning home to vote should not be voting. Just because those returning home largely happen to agree with you and are voting same, should not mean that you should condone and celebrate it. Because in the future, that won't always be the case.

While you're right in theory, your theory is flawed. You do not know for sure whether those returning should not be permitted to vote under the law. They all might be eligible, or they all might not. So stop talking like electoral fraud is in fact happening, when you have no facts.

mrkiscool2 · 22-05-2015 01:31PM

MathDebater wrote: »

You're not a stupid chap. You and I both know that a large splice of those who are returning home to vote should not be voting. Just because those returning home largely happen to agree with you and are voting same, should not mean that you should condone and celebrate it. Because in the future, that won't always be the case.

Nor can you or the Government and election commission know that they don't mean to return home by March of next year. They may think they will but it really doesn't matter, it's not fraud. I think any person who holds a valid Irish passport should have a vote regardless!

wakka12 · 22-05-2015 01:32PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Encouraging? Yes or No?

I assume most are yes because its mostly college age females and gay men lol

To Elland Back · 22-05-2015 01:32PM

wakka12 wrote: »

Ill actually feel really sorry for the many who spent a lot of time and money travelling home from different counties or even abroad to vote yes if this doesn't pass:(

It will be worse for those of us that live here, while those people get to go back to where they came from.

I'm middle aged and have no immediate family members that his affects (so far) and I've put up with a lot of crap here in recent years. I don't know if I can continue to be a proud Irishman, if we can't let fellow citizens have equal rights if this fails.

MathDebater · 22-05-2015 01:32PM

traprunner wrote: »

Aw...don't spoil the fun for the kids Mr. Iona. All they need to have done is planned to come home. Plans change all the time and they are home now

I'm not in Iona or voting no. This isn't a game of football where your team received a penalty they shouldn't have to win the game and you can rub it in on the opposition. People who are ignoring, condoning and celebrating these people returning home to commit electoral fraud are being remarkably short sighted.

Del.Monte · 22-05-2015 01:32PM

Unbelievable - or is it just me being blind/thick but when I got my polling slips I had a problem establishing which was which. There was lashings of room on the top of the page for large print stating Marriage/Presidential Age but instead it was buried in regular size print on the page. In my experience it's just typical of civil service produced forms and not the first time it's been mentioned in relation to referenda. :mad:

endacl · 22-05-2015 01:33PM

vicwatson wrote: »

Fine those for not voting - mandatory voting

Actually not a terrible idea. Works elsewhere. Needs a thread?

Not a NSA agent · 22-05-2015 01:33PM

K4t wrote: »

Brace yourselves...abortion is coming.

Abortion, schools and surrogacy when the legislation for that is being brought in. I doubt they'll still exist after abortion though.

gandalf wrote: »

No all our duties whether the referendum passes or not is to complain to the revenue commissioners, the charity regulator and your TD's about the fact the Iona Institute is getting charitable status even though it's primary objective is to be a political lobby group for the religious right and it appears to be extensively funded from outside the state.

I never understood how they got to be a charity in the first place, all they do is lobby and most of it is negative towards people.

wakka12 · 22-05-2015 01:33PM

I was looking at the graph on Facebook of the number of voters, it inputs a new point every 15 minutes. At about 9-10am today there was about 17k voting every 15 minutes, for the last two hours or so its only about 7 or 8k voting every 15 minutes.

K4t · 22-05-2015 01:34PM

gandalf wrote: »

No all our duties whether the referendum passes or not is to complain to the revenue commissioners, the charity regulator and your TD's about the fact the Iona Institute is getting charitable status even though it's primary objective is to be a political lobby group for the religious right and it appears to be extensively funded from outside the state.

Yes, no matter the result, the enemy has made themselves known.

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 01:34PM

MathDebater wrote: »

People who are ignoring, condoning and celebrating these people returning home to commit electoral fraud are being remarkably short sighted.

I believe we should do something about it, and change the law so you can vote for 5 years after you leave, by post.

_Kaiser_ · 22-05-2015 01:34PM

NewCorkLad wrote: »

How do you know which way they are voting?

Because this has morphed from a legitimate issue to a social (media) experiment where only those voting the "right" way would dare post such popularity contest nonsense.

It's actually depressing how little value is placed in our democratic process that this is going on today - but of course because it means the result will go the way the "hive" has decided that's cool.

People should be free to vote their conscience without fear of ridicule or abuse (and that goes equally for both sides) and the will of the people should be represented by those eligible to vote - not those just home for a day-trip (with questionable/suspect eligibility) to be "progressive" and "cool" on FB

traprunner · 22-05-2015 01:35PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I was looking at the graph on Facebook of the number of voters, it inputs a new point every 15 minutes. At about 9-10am today there was about 17k voting every 15 minutes, for the last two hours or so its only about 7 or 8k voting every 15 minutes.

What is facebook user age profile? I think their graphs could be very misleading.

MathDebater · 22-05-2015 01:36PM

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

Nor can you or the Government and election commission know that they don't mean to return home by March of next year. They may think they will but it really doesn't matter, it's not fraud. I think any person who holds a valid Irish passport should have a vote regardless!

They can find out if they have been non resident for 18 months prior. All Irish citizens should be allowed vote? That's great. Six million people in the UK can obtain an Irish passport through descent. I'd hazzard that a couple of million in North America would be qualified to obtain an Irish passport too.

Still think all Irish passport holders should be allowed vote regardless? The law is there for good reason.

timetogo · 22-05-2015 01:37PM

wakka12 wrote: »

I was looking at the graph on Facebook of the number of voters, it inputs a new point every 15 minutes. At about 9-10am today there was about 17k voting every 15 minutes, for the last two hours or so its only about 7 or 8k voting every 15 minutes.

People getting into work with nothing to do

Zubeneschamali · 22-05-2015 01:37PM

MathDebater wrote: »

The law is there for good reason.

The only countries in Europe that have no voting for ex-pats are ourselves and Greece.

NewCorkLad · 22-05-2015 01:37PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because this has morphed from a legitimate issue to a social (media) experiment where only those voting the "right" way would dare post such popularity contest nonsense.

It's actually depressing how little value is placed in our democratic process that this is going on today - but of course because it means the result will go the way the "hive" has decided that's cool.

People should be free to vote their conscience without fear of ridicule or abuse (and that goes equally for both sides) and the will of the people should be represented by those eligible to vote - not those just home for a day-trip and to be "progressive" and "cool" on FB

So your saying everyone flying in to vote, is on facebook and declaring they will vote yes?

You have no way of knowing if they are eligible to vote or not or which way they will vote.

wakka12 · 22-05-2015 01:37PM

traprunner wrote: »

What is facebook user age profile? I think their graphs could be very misleading.

Its much less youth oriented than you would think. Obviously theres a higher proportion of younger people but theres much more middle aged or older people on it when regularly use it.

galljga1 · 22-05-2015 01:38PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Because this has morphed from a legitimate issue to a social (media) experiment where only those voting the "right" way would dare post such popularity contest nonsense.

It's actually depressing how little value is placed in our democratic process that this is going on today - but of course because it means the result will go the way the "hive" has decided that's cool.

People should be free to vote their conscience without fear of ridicule or abuse (and that goes equally for both sides) and the will of the people should be represented by those eligible to vote - not those just home for a day-trip (with questionable/suspect eligibility) and to be "progressive" and "cool" on FB

So, you don't know.
BTW people are free to vote their conscience. It is a private ballot.

the nikkei is rising · 22-05-2015 01:39PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Was the Garda Foghorn Leghorn?

I transcribed it from memory so I could have subconsciously gave the gard the voice of someone else but the jist of it remains true.

_Kaiser_ · 22-05-2015 01:39PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The only countries in Europe that have no voting for ex-pats are ourselves and Greece.

So campaign to chage it.. but until that happens the law of the land should be respected.

Or does it only apply to "popular" votes like this where the outcome/answer is "obvious"

If everyone was coming home to vote SF/FF/<insert party you dislike here> next year would there still be the same support for "turning a blind eye"?

RobertKK · 22-05-2015 01:39PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Have you voted yet RobertKK? I'm still desperate enough to beg you to vote yes if you haven't. We really can all love and be loved equally.

If this was a referendum and it was titled, 'Do you respect, cherish and love your fellow citizens who are homosexual'. I would not have to think about it and it would be a most definite yes.
If I vote no, it doesn't mean I have anything against anyone. It is not how I live my life. I live by doing what I believe.
January of 2014, I sent in a text to Newstalk, it was read out, a person who appears on the show regularly called me a bigot for believing marriage is between a man and a woman, and I was told not to vote on it. That has nothing to do with you, but that reply I got shocked me.
I would say fair enough if I hated gay people, which I don't. But this Yes voter was also calling all no voters bigots.
I am accepting of other people to hold views contrary to mine, that is their right, it is not upto me to judge other people on their views, I don't know how or what circumstances helped form their views, so to judge would be wrong.
So tomorrow when the expected Yes result ensues, I will not be bitter and twisted over it, like some are with a referendum that happened in 1983. I will say well done to the Yes side. I believe if one believes in Yes or No, they are right to fight for what they believe, and in a civilised manner.
I don't hate or dislike anyone here, we may just disagree, but once people are being honest that is the most important thing.
I will be highly surprised if No wins, and lets say for argument sake they do, I don't believe it would be right to be triumphant about it. I don't believe whatever the result it should be about rubbing people's faces in it.
Both sides argued for what they believed, and I think everyone will be relieved it will be over.
I don't think my vote will make any difference, it will have more bearing on the by election.

whatismyname · 22-05-2015 01:40PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The only countries in Europe that have no voting for ex-pats are ourselves and Greece.

I'm an ex-pat and I'm glad that I can't. I can vote in both elections and referendum in the country that I live in, and that's good enough for me.

wakka12 · 22-05-2015 01:40PM

traprunner wrote: »

What is facebook user age profile? I think their graphs could be very misleading.

http://www.fourthsource.com/news/facebook-uk-stats-you-should-know-8577

In the UK, the 45+ demographic makes up 22%, which is a larger share than I would have thought at least.

galljga1 · 22-05-2015 01:43PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So campaign to chage it.. but until that happens the law of the land should be respected.

Or does it only apply to "popular" votes like this where the outcome/answer is "obvious"

If everyone was coming home to vote SF/FF/<insert party you dislike here> next year would there still be the same support for "turning a blind eye"?

Interesting. Ideas blossoming, must email Bord Failte.

El Weirdo · 22-05-2015 01:43PM

RobertKK wrote: »

If this was a referendum and it was titled, 'Do you respect, cherish and love your fellow citizens who are homosexual'. I would not have to think about it and it would be a most definite yes.

But just not enough to want them to have the same rights as straight people?

Tinder Surprise · 22-05-2015 01:44PM

Del.Monte wrote: »

Unbelievable - or is it just me being blind/thick but when I got my polling slips I had a problem establishing which was which. There was lashings of room on the top of the page for large print stating Marriage/Presidential Age but instead it was buried in regular size print on the page. In my experience it's just typical of civil service produced forms and not the first time it's been mentioned in relation to referenda. :mad:

No me too.

Easy enough to cast my vote using the slip but my goodness it could have been more visually easier to decipher.

Not a NSA agent · 22-05-2015 01:44PM

A few no voters praying for a no result. No need for democracy then.

Also NSFW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pSh0VAVYn4

_Kaiser_ · 22-05-2015 01:44PM

galljga1 wrote: »

So, you don't know.
BTW people are free to vote their conscience. It is a private ballot.

Tell that to the posters here who (for whatever reason) are against it and have been "jumped on" by the Yes side

That's what I disagree with .. not the right of two people to get married regardless of their gender .. although I'd rather we tackled the inequality faced by unmarried heterosexual couples, and single fathers (who proportionally make up a far bigger percentage of the population) as well/first TBH

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