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Same Sex Marriage Referendum Mega Thread - MOD WARNING IN FIRST POST

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  • #7742
    TwoShedsJackson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,438 ✭✭✭TwoShedsJackson


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Come on the no.


    The latest yes double standard is how it uses voting yes as a way to put down the church. I dont think its the church the referendum is about :rolleyes: but they can bring in extra ****. Mention gays having children and they scream murder. But they can slam the church. Hilarious.

    Indeed, it's not about the church, nor is it about surrogacy, children, or any of the other emotive crap the No side have been trying to use.

    If anyone votes Yes to 'put down the church' or to 'teach the government a lesson about Irish Water' then they are an idiot, you're right. Vote on the actual issue.


  • #7743
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    pmasterson95 wrote: »
    Come on the no.


    The latest yes double standard is how it uses voting yes as a way to put down the church. I dont think its the church the referendum is about :rolleyes: but they can bring in extra ****. Mention gays having children and they scream murder. But they can slam the church. Hilarious.


    The church discriminate, there should be no role for them in society unless they change their ways. But at least they are more 'Honest' in their discrimination's than the majority of prominent NO campaigners.


  • #7744
    MakeEmLaugh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    Does anyone know when marriage for same-sex couples will become available if the vote is passed?

    I know that the Nineteenth Amendment (changing Articles 2 and 3 to drop the territorial claim on Northern Ireland) was approved by referendum on 22th May 1998, and then "signed into law" on 3rd June 1998, so about a fortnight later. But then the "declaration" was made by the government almost a year and a half later on 2th December 1999...?

    I'm not sure what the difference between being "signed into law" and being "declared" by the government are...

    Anyway, bottom line, if it's passed, when can same-sex couples start getting married?


  • #7745
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,984 ✭✭✭long_b


    Whoever typeset the ballot papers should be SHOT. Terribly confusing - a child could have done better.

    It's the WHITE ballot paper for Marriage vote


  • #7746
    Lord Trollington
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,423 ✭✭✭Lord Trollington


    mylefttesticle wrote: »
    The church discriminate, there should be no role for them in society unless they change their ways. But at least they are more 'Honest' in their discrimination's than the majority of prominent NO campaigners.

    This is probably for another debate but there is no role for the church in society whatsoever.

    People can have their beliefs but it should I'm no way overshadow the governance of a nation.

    The fact the Catholic Church's opinions are getting so much publicity on all things boils my blood.

    I won't even get into the years of abuse and cover ups.


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  • #7747
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    long_b wrote: »
    Whoever typeset the ballot papers should be SHOT. Terribly confusing - a child could have done better.

    It's the WHITE ballot paper for Marriage vote

    Seems ok to me, put an X in the Yes box and go off and live your life.


  • #7748
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,252 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Just voted with the wife. Brisk enough at this hour. A high turnout, methinks.

    67%+ is my best guess.

    Can't wait to hear David going on about how this is all unconstitutional, how Breda is being intimidated and oppressed and Johnny W having a foam-flecked rant...


  • #7749
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    This is probably for another debate but there is no role for the church in society whatsoever.

    People can have their beliefs but it should I'm no way overshadow the governance of a nation.

    The fact the Catholic Church's opinions are getting so much publicity on all things boils my blood.

    I won't even get into the years of abuse and cover ups.

    Indeed. But i must point out society and governing are two separate things and to say that they shouldn't have a voice is not healthy either, the good, the bad and the indifferent should always be heard.


  • #7750
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    efb wrote: »
    No exit polls Saturday morn give a good indication

    Listening to Morning Ireland just now. It will be Saturday 5pm for SSM and much later for the other.


  • #7751
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,252 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    TwoShedsJackson wrote: »
    If anyone votes Yes to 'put down the church'...

    One of life's nicer unintended consequences!


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  • #7752
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,106 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    murphyebass wrote: »
    So it's finally here. After all the bickering, name calling and general ill feeling people on both sides finally take to voting.

    It really should be without question a yes vote today as there really is no reason to vote no but I have my doubts over it at this point.

    Who will turn out to vote?

    If the younger generation don't turn out i fear the older generation could make it a very tight decision.

    Will there be a big silent vote?

    I hope I'm wrong but I just get the feeling that some are saying yes but either still wavering or saying what they know is what people want them to say / pc answer.

    Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be a landslide for yes but I really do think the numbers voting and whether or not there's a silent vote count really test this referendum.
    There will without doubt be a silent NO vote but I'm confident they won't change the outcome. Im also confident of a high turnout by everyone but particularly younger people. I know people that care so little about politics weren't registered to vote but are voting today


  • #7753
    Vivisectus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Vivisectus


    gk5000 wrote: »
    Men are different to women but equal
    Homosexuals are different to hetrosexual but equal
    Man + Man, Man + Woman, Woman + Woman are all different but can be equal.

    It's very simple. There is no need to be the same or neutered to be equal.

    The whole point is inclusion. It really is very simple, and it is also no hassle at all to make one standard Marriage work for everyone. If Dutchmen can do it without a single hitch or hiccup, then it can't be hard :P


  • #7754
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    mylefttesticle wrote: »
    The church discriminate, there should be no role for them in society unless they change their ways. But at least they are more 'Honest' in their discrimination's than the majority of prominent NO campaigners.

    What exactly do you mean when you say" the church should have no role in society"? How would you prevent the church from having a role in society? What is society?


  • #7755
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    Gael23 wrote: »
    There will without doubt be a silent NO vote but I'm confident they won't change the outcome. Im also confident of a high turnout by everyone but particularly younger people. I know people that care so little about politics weren't registered to vote but are voting today

    I dont know why people keep saying this about younger people and saying they will carry the vote, walk around Dublin and open your eyes and see that the yes badge is being worn by ages across the board. When the YES vote is carried to victory it will be because people from all ages voted to do so.


  • #7756
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    haveringchick wrote: »
    What exactly do you mean when you say" the church should have no role in society"? How would you prevent the church from having a role in society? What is society?

    It means my opinion. As for society if you do not know what it means then look it up, i'm not your dictionary.


  • #7757
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,143 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    LordSutch wrote: »
    Yes to men marrying men, yes to women marrying women, and yes to a president being 21 years of age :cool:

    Its a funny old world.

    Or maybe a funny new world


  • #7758
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Lord Trollington wrote: »
    This is probably for another debate but there is no role for the church in society whatsoever.

    People can have their beliefs but it should I'm no way overshadow the governance of a nation.

    The fact the Catholic Church's opinions are getting so much publicity on all things boils my blood.

    I won't even get into the years of abuse and cover ups.

    Should church members be excluded from "society" then? What form should this exclusion take? How would the exclusion be administered?


  • #7759
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Thank Christ this referendum is nearly over. The behaviour of both sides in this debate has been Apalling. The No side making up all kinds of crap and the Yes side just plain old bullying to anyone who might vote no.

    For me I think this could have been solved by the government if they had of brought in some sort of civil union legislation that gives gay people and heterosexual people the same rights and privileges as married people. Remember heterosexual people who don't believe in marriage also suffer from same lack of equality as gay people, they don't get the same rights or protection as married couples and fir them to do that they gave to get married.

    I can understand why some people are voting No because they believe that marriage belongs to the church and not too the state.


  • #7760
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Should church members be excluded from "society" then? What form should this exclusion take? How would the exclusion be administered?

    It would start and end with you being treated for your passive aggressiveness.


  • #7761
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,143 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    For info... before you go to vote.The ballot papers will have the 34th amendment (that's the MARRIAGE ONE) and the 35th amendment (that's the PRESIDENTIAL AGE ONE) typed on them. It's a X, not a tick, you put in the box. One paper is white & the other green.


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  • #7762
    Floppybits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,117 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Should church members be excluded from "society" then? What form should this exclusion take? How would the exclusion be administered?

    No they shouldn't but the government should have the legislation in place to allow people who the church won't marry or allow people who don't want a church marriage have a civil union that gives them the same rights and protections as marriage currently gives to people.


  • #7763
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    mylefttesticle wrote: »
    It means my opinion. As for society if you do not know what it means then look it up, i'm not your dictionary.

    You've said that 80% of the citizens of this country should be excluded from society but you can't explain what you mean.
    It's ok I can see now that you really CAN'T explain so don't worry your head about it.


  • #7764
    iDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Floppybits wrote: »
    and the Yes side just plain old bullying to anyone who might vote no.

    Are people still trotting out this nonsense. Tell that to Eamonn McGee or Una Mullaly among others receiving hate mail and the numerous businesses that have been threatened for displaying yes signs.


  • #7765
    mylefttesticle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 305 ✭✭mylefttesticle


    haveringchick wrote: »
    You've said that 80% of the citizens of this country should be excluded from society but you can't explain what you mean.
    It's ok I can see now that you really CAN'T explain so don't worry your head about it.

    I wont.


  • #7766
    gravehold
    Closed Accounts Posts: 912 ✭✭✭gravehold


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vxpvHLPRo


    What the gays really think, vote no they are just trying tp be nice till you give them what they want]


  • #7767
    CiDeRmAn
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 34,811 CMod ✭✭✭✭CiDeRmAn


    smokingman wrote: »
    So here we are, on the cusp of allowing love to be recognised by law for more people. Does that not fill you with hope for the human race? Does that not fill you with joy that happiness will spread to more people in our nation? Does that not mean that we know what love really is?

    I sometimes stare at my wife when she's asleep and feel a mini euphoria at the joy she has brought to my life; the balance, the giggles, the opposing view in a conversation, the rock I can rely on for support in any of my life decisions...

    Then I look at friends of mine that are exactly the same and for years now, have wished they could shout to the world in constitutional law, that this is also how they feel in our country.

    If you know what love is, try to share it tomorrow...

    I do that too!
    By the way you've a lovely house....


    Baa dum tish!


  • #7768
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    Floppybits wrote: »
    No they shouldn't but the government should have the legislation in place to allow people who the church won't marry or allow people who don't want a church marriage have a civil union that gives them the same rights and protections as marriage currently gives to people.

    But it's not the Church's fault that the government don't already have a way for everybody to marry whomever they choose.
    Today Irish people have the chance to tell the government what they want.
    If they don't take the chance or if the answer isn't what you want it to be then that's not the Churches fault.


  • #7769
    SireOfSeth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭SireOfSeth


    "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies but the silence of our friends." MLK


  • #7770
    haveringchick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,380 ✭✭✭haveringchick


    mylefttesticle wrote: »
    I dont know why people keep saying this about younger people and saying they will carry the vote, walk around Dublin and open your eyes and see that the yes badge is being worn by ages across the board. When the YES vote is carried to victory it will be because people from all ages voted to do so.

    Do you realise that people outside Dublin can vote too?


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  • #7771
    Vivisectus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 807 ✭✭✭Vivisectus


    haveringchick wrote: »
    Should church members be excluded from "society" then? What form should this exclusion take? How would the exclusion be administered?

    No-one should be excluded. it is just that the Church should no longer be granted special privileges based on supernatural claims.


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