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MathDebater · 21-05-2015 10:51PM

endacl wrote: »

Tens of thousands left to contribute to our society over the decades. And never got to participate in any part of civic life.

Cop on.

Would you be so supportive if it were a load of Irish Americans from red states who hold Irish citizenship flying in to vote?

People who don't reside here, shouldn't be allowed to vote here.

traprunner · 21-05-2015 10:51PM

endacl wrote: »

Your post count is 660.

Choose your next 6 carefully!

Oh I will.

Damnit. One gone!!! I'm scared. Maybe I'll retire my account at 666. The last post being a celebratory one cos we all know gay people are the spawn of the devil.

Ave Sodalis · 21-05-2015 10:54PM

MathDebater wrote: »

Would you be so supportive if it were a load of Irish Americans from red states who hold Irish citizenship flying in to vote?

People who don't reside here, shouldn't be allowed to vote here.

It's their right to do so.

bajer101 · 21-05-2015 10:56PM

1/10 with Paddy Power.

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/other-politics/irish-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=1003224

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 10:56PM

MathDebater wrote: »

Would you be so supportive if it were a load of Irish Americans from red states who hold Irish citizenship flying in to vote?

People who don't reside here, shouldn't be allowed to vote here.

This is exactly my point, and as the law stands they are not legally permitted to vote. Just because these people are likely to be voting the right way doesn't make what they're doing any less wrong. I say that as a voter who will vote yes tomorrow.

Kiwi in IE · 21-05-2015 10:56PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

What does this mean exactly? 'Living with the consequences of their actions'? What are those consequences likely to be? LGBT people being allowed to marry? What hardship is that likely to impose on your life?

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

Its not likely to impose any hardship on me. I see the proposal as quite benign tbh. Only those with the right to vote should be able to voice their opinion at the ballot box. Those that have lost that right should respect that this decision is not for them to make. Even if there is a polling card with their name on it.

Top marks for attacking the poster and not the post :rolleyes:.

Can you show me where in that post I 'attacked the poster'?

Report it if you have a problem!

IamtheWalrus · 21-05-2015 10:59PM

Blasphemy lol. Only in Ireland (or the middle east).

MathDebater · 21-05-2015 10:59PM

sup_dude wrote: »

It's their right to do so.

It's actually not. Only Irish citizens resident can vote. Its electoral fraud being committed on a massive scale.Don't live and participate in day to day life here - shouldn't have the right to vote here. It's not just this referendum - look at the bigger picture.

Kiwi in IE · 21-05-2015 11:03PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Id normally chastise anyone calling a win but watching the #hometovote hashtag on twitter is so encouraging and heartwarming, im really starting to believe

Yeah I'm starting to feel really positive about this tonight. For the last week I've felt really worried.

Vivisectus · 21-05-2015 11:03PM

MathDebater wrote: »

It should be rescinded. Don't live and participate in day to day life here - shouldn't have the right to vote here. It's not just this referendum - look at the bigger picture.

You mean the bigger picture where emigrants become pretty much stateless? Living outside Ireland does not mean you stop being a member of the republic I think. Just like living in Ireland does not make you a member of the republic unless you are either born here, or take out citizenship.

MathDebater · 21-05-2015 11:03PM

oppenheimer1 wrote: »

This is exactly my point, and as the law stands they are not legally permitted to vote. Just because these people are likely to be voting the right way doesn't make what they're doing any less wrong. I say that as a voter who will vote yes tomorrow.

I'm voting yes too. Only Irish citizens resident can legally vote tomorrow. Just because the majority of those non resident, voting tomorrow, will be voting yes - doesn't mean that their actions should be encouraged, celebrated and condoned.

tomato1234 · 21-05-2015 11:06PM

Everyone! Free taxis to your polling stations! No excuses!

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MathDebater · 21-05-2015 11:07PM

If you are an Irish citizen living abroad you cannot be entered on the register of electors. This means that you cannot vote in an election or referendum here in Ireland. (The only exception to this is in the case of Irish officials on duty abroad (and their spouses) who may register on the postal voters list).

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/right_to_vote.html

Large scale voting fraud is going to be committed tomorrow, lads. The papers are even interviewing those that are going home to vote. No democrat can support or condone such actions.

Fat Christy · 21-05-2015 11:09PM

MathDebater wrote: »

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/right_to_vote.html

Large scale voting fraud is going to be committed tomorrow, lads. The papers are even interviewing those that are going home to vote. No democrat can support or condone such actions.

18 month rule, no?

If you're out of the country less than 18 months, you're grannnnnnnd to come home and vote. I think? Amirite?

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 11:09PM

MathDebater wrote: »

I'm voting yes too. Only Irish citizens resident can legally vote tomorrow. Just because the majority of those non resident, voting tomorrow, will be voting yes - doesn't mean that their actions should be encouraged, celebrated and condoned.

I agree, and particularly if it is as tight as the '95 referendum it could cast questions on the legitimacy of the ballot. I don't think anyone would want to go through this campaign again in a hurry.

MathDebater · 21-05-2015 11:12PM

Fat Christy wrote: »

18 month rule, no?

If you're out of the country less than 18 months, you're grannnnnnnd to come home and vote. I think? Amirite?

If you leave your address but you plan to return there within 18 months, you can continue to be registered there, as long you do not register at any other address.

All those coming home are recent émigrés, are they? A 90 second search using the #hometovote tag will quickly expel that suggestion.

Fat Christy · 21-05-2015 11:14PM

MathDebater wrote: »

All those coming home are recent émigrés, are they? A 90 second search using the #hometovote tag will quickly expel that suggestion.

No clue, only know that you have 18 months so lets not shoot them yet.

Nabber · 21-05-2015 11:15PM

What would be interesting would be to see how many 'yes' voters actually votes yes.

I think this referendum is a tough one. Not many openly admitting they will votd no.

Having spoken to 8 people on this in dept. 5 for and 3 against. All 3 against are active voters and only 2 for are active voters.
Of the 3 against, all are vehemently opposed to organised religion, particulary Roman Catholic Church.

All 8 are heterosexual.

The silent vote is a powerful one.

I know 8 is not a lot of people. But most of these people just clicking likes on facebook. I of the opinion these are not active voters and likely not even registerede
I'm thinking this will be a no vote.

MathDebater · 21-05-2015 11:16PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Who are coming home though? Are we talking about people who live permanently abroad, or those away for a year or two? Because the former I'd have issue with as well, the latter not so much. I spend two years on a working holiday visa a few years ago, and was still for all legal purposes a resident of Ireland. I don't think people in similar situations voting would be in the wrong.

The Canadian working holiday visa is a two year visa. Those coming home to vote from Canada are committing electoral fraud. And they are advertising that fact on Facebook and Twitter for whatever reason.

tigger123 · 21-05-2015 11:17PM

MathDebater wrote: »

The Canadian working holiday visa is a two year visa. Those coming home to vote from Canada are committing electoral fraud. And they are advertising that fact on Facebook and Twitter for whatever reason.

I think you should go out to the airport and make a citizen's arrest.

MathDebater · 21-05-2015 11:18PM

Fat Christy wrote: »

No clue, only know that you have 18 months so lets not shoot them yet.

If an emigrant has left their Irish address but plans to return within 18 months upon the date that they left and the 18 months has yet to elapse - golden. Anything over that is fraud.

Kiwi in IE · 21-05-2015 11:19PM

I don't see why Irish citizens living abroad cannot vote indefinitely anyway. I still vote in the New Zealand elections and I have no intentions of moving back there in the near future. Many countries allow their citizens to continue to vote living abroad. It's a bit precious to exclude Irish citizens living overseas. Particularly since its not uncommon for people (not referring only to Irish people) to emigrate due to economic conditions or some other reason that is directly related to how their home country is being run.

bajer101 · 21-05-2015 11:19PM

Surrogacy disinformation didn't seem to work. Consummation nonsense didn't work. The whole, "Won't someone please think of the children" bullshít didn't work. Time to shift the argument to those bástards coming home to vote. The last sting of a dying wasp.

VinLieger · 21-05-2015 11:20PM

MathDebater wrote: »

The Canadian working holiday visa is a two year visa. Those coming home to vote from Canada are committing electoral fraud. And they are advertising that fact on Facebook and Twitter for whatever reason.

What if they got the 2 year visa and only intended staying 18 months? or 6 months? or 12?

oppenheimer1 · 21-05-2015 11:20PM

Nabber wrote: »

What would be interesting would be to see how many 'yes' voters actually votes yes.

I think this referendum is a tough one. Not many openly admitting they will votd no.

Having spoken to 8 people on this, 5 for and 3 against. All 3 against are active voters and only 2 for are active voters.
Of the 3 against, all are vehemently opposed to organised religion, particulary Roman Catholic Church.

All 8 are heterosexual.

The silent vote is a powerful one.

I'm thinking this will be a no vote.

It will be a major shock if No win tomorrow. Yes were at 80+% in the polls a few months ago. While I don't expect yes to romp home I expect it will be 55-45 Yes. Even a result like that would be shocking, considering the full weight of the establishment is behind yes and a loose coalition of head bangers is for no.

SummerSummit · 21-05-2015 11:21PM

Fat Christy wrote: »

18 month rule, no?

If you're out of the country less than 18 months, you're grannnnnnnd to come home and vote. I think? Amirite?

18 months is a bit short I think. It takes 3 years of living abroad to lose your tax residency and you can be liable to certain taxes for the rest of your life if you intend to return to Ireland at any stage in your life.

delw · 21-05-2015 11:21PM

Won't be sorry when this is over & done with,sick to death hearing about it at this stage

VinLieger · 21-05-2015 11:22PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I don't see why Irish citizens living abroad cannot vote indefinitely anyway. I still vote in the New Zealand elections and I have no intentions of moving back there in the near future. Many countries allow their citizens to continue to vote living abroad. It's a bit precious to exclude Irish citizens living overseas. Particularly since its not uncommon for people (not referring only to Irish people) to emigrate due to economic conditions or some other reason that is directly related to how their home country is being run.

There is an issue with how many people can claim Irish citizenship abroad and that fact that it dwarfs the actual population of Ireland by many multiples. Unlimited expat voting will not work but yes it should be possible however with timed limits like maybe 5-7 years

Ave Sodalis · 21-05-2015 11:23PM

As much as I was defending Donegal earlier in the thread (probably the last thread), now that I'm back home, I would nearly put money on a No vote

jobbridge4life · 21-05-2015 11:23PM

traprunner wrote: »

60-40% Yes to win

You've lost ten percent since yesterday. At this rate its even splitz tomorrow.

I think if it does, it will scrap through but I am not even confident that it will. I pray it does. I hope it does.

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